*Quick* Galaxy s9 or Pixel 3?

Except DisplayMate does NOT make a ranking.
They produce Shout-Outs where they make their analysis. Absolutely nowhere in their analysis do they say "this display is better than that one". In fact, they don't mention ANY smartphone other than the one they're analysing and the ones that preceded them from the same brand.

But they do share their results, in addition to their analysis and you can make a spreadsheet on your own and compare the values.


From their Pixel 3 XL Shout-Out

"The Pixel 3 XL joins four Top Tier Smartphone Displays: the Galaxy S9, Galaxy Note9, iPhone X, and iPhone XS Max, that all provide close to Text Book Perfect Calibration Accuracy and Performance that is Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect, so they All received and maintain Concurrent DisplayMate Best Smartphone Display Awards."

What you just quoted shows that your basis for your statement that the S9 is better is false, since at best, all four are equal. However my case is not based on this quote - all being visually indistinguishable from perfect does not mean that they are all equal in an absolute sense - and they are not. From a practical standpoint, they're all the same in that humans can't tell the difference. But machines can, and one is objectively better, and it is the Pixel. Use their data, do the analysis.

Your claim is outright false.
Samsung HAS provided all updates within the 30 days of the update being released publicly on the S9. They haven't skipped a beat. Not in Europe.
If they have in the US, maybe start by removing carriers from the equation. In places like Europe where the updates come directly from Samsung and carriers have no power whatsoever, the S9, S9+ and Note 9 have all received the monthly security updates timely within the month they belong to.

I'm unclear on what you think, "on time" means. Right now it's November 29th. Do 100% of S9's either already have the November update, or the ability to download it if they want it? Samsung's goal isn't even monthly updates, they have published that their goal is quarterly updates. I remember trying to help someone through trying to get updates this past spring on the S9, their device was two months behind. Exynos and Snapdragon devices get them at different times, different carriers at different times, unlocked is on its own schedule, etc.

To be clear, my definition of on time is that it's available to 100% of devices within the same calendar month as the patch is labeled. IE the April update is available by April 30th. That's similar to what you sated in your last sentence. That is Samsung's goal too on carrier versions. They routinely miss that goal on at least one of them.

And one failure to hit goal, on one version, anywhere is enough to falsify "all".

2 major updates matches the 2 years of legal warranty that Samsung is forced to provide by Law in Europe.
Google offers an extra year? OK, good.
Which phone needs more desperately updates? The Google one 'cause it's using a version of Android that's 4 years behind the rest.

Two is one number, three is another. One is larger than the other. The first three sentences of this statement looks like you were conceding the point, but then you switched into trolling. The Pixels are always running the latest software. Pie has been publicly released for almost four months and Samsung has pushed that update, officially, to zero phones. Including the Note 9, which was released AFTER Pie.

Samsung's version of Oreo in itself is more feature rich and better thought than Google's version of Pie.
And Samsung's version of Pie - even while still in Beta - is already better than Google's version of Android Pie is and likely Android O will be. But I'm sure iPixel owners (all 5 of them) will enjoy gestures that don't s*ck, a system-wide dark theme (heck, themes at all), and all other things that Samsung is already providing and Google is nowhere near close to achieving in their version of Android (because they're more interested in forcing their services on people since that's where they make their money anyway).

I'm not sure where the disconnect here is.. but you are aware that Samsung isn't good at software, right? Like they had to have Google come in and help them get up to snuff on their UX, which made major improvements at that time... only to start regressing shortly afterwards. No? Ok, we can agree to disagree I suppose - but I'm going to ask again... wtf is an iPixel? Is it a straw man you're inventing? Because it's definitely not the device we're discussing. You do need to make sure we're discussing the same topic before trying to make claims for or against anything.

The Pixel camera NEVER kicked the crap out of a Galaxy. Not in a million years. Maybe it does for teenage girls and people with zero understanding of photography. But people who actually know how to take a photo have NEVER praised a camera like the Pixel one, which delivers unicorn-barf covered photos without any trace of colour accuracy but TONS of post-processing and heavy handed forced unrealistic dynamic range.

This statement is an obvious lie, completely out of touch with the consensus of 100% of the professional analysts and reviewers that have compared them. The hyperbole gives away the fact that you know you're saying something that no one will believe if you were to simply make it as a concise and logic based argument.

If your statement is instead that you prefer the S9 camera to the Pixel 3, well that just an opinion, and opinions are fine. But you postured your opinion as objective fact. It probably also means you don't know anything about the technology or how to use it, since the differences between the two shooters are very clear.


This is a list of issues for the Pixel 3. I asked for you to cite your sources that the iPixel is constantly crashing. Since there is no such thing as an iPixel, since you lied, you can't produce that. You said you could cite DOZENS of articles about the iPixel slowing down and crashing and also indicated that you believe the Pixel 3 has worse battery life than the S9. I asked you to cite those claims, you did not. The XDA article that you linked does not address any of those three things. You know one easy way to know that? Read the damned thing. I did. And the fact that it doesn't say what you claim it says, and that you didn't produce any of the DOZENS of sources that would back up your claim, means that your claim is not going to be accepted until you have evidence .

1) There's no such thing as an iPixel, please focus on the topic at hand. 2) If you're going to use a source, read it, understand it, and figure out whether or not it supports your argument. 3) Saying that you know something, when you don't - is misrepresenting your knowledge. That's dishonest.

Ahahahahahahahahah you can't possibly believe that BS.
Would you care to provide ANY evidence of Samsung doing that? Also...Samsung doesn't force you to have a Samsung account. Google on the other hand...

This was about AI integration, and you switched it to privacy. So read through the privacy statements of the two companies. Let me know if you can tell the differences in the language.

The S9 is objectively a better device for 99% of the people.

This is false for two reasons. 1) The word "objective" does not mean "in my opinion". 2) You have no way of knowing which device is better, because you a) apparently don't know anything about the devices b) apparently don't know anything about the market c) have surveyed zero people d) wouldn't know how to analyze survey results even if you had them and d) apparently don't know that generalizations cannot be statistically applied to a number outside of two standard deviations from mean without having sufficient evidence to justify that extreme conclusion.

You could have said, "I think more people prefer Samsung's experience over Google's" and that's an honest statement, and probably what you would have said if you were attempting to be honest. But you instead lied twice in one sentence.

The iPixel is only good for Google fanboys and long-time iPhone users. It excels at absolutely nothing and provides the users with a limited and locked experience. One that makes anyone wonder what's the point of having that phone instead of an iPhone.

I don't know what an iPixel is, so I can't say if you're correct about this or not. Since I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist, I would have to conclude that you're incorrect. If you are instead talking about the Pixel 3, and stating that it excels at nothing - then apparently you haven't heard about it's reputation for camera, updates, software, etc. Whether or not you agree that you enjoy these things more than you enjoy Samsung's implementation is up to you - but to pretend that you're unaware of the positive qualities of a device, simply because you hate it - is dishonest.

The S9 on the other hand does everything the iPixel does better

We've already discussed a number of things that falsify this statement, prior to you making it.



Last two points.

1) The OP already made their decision. None of this matters except for point 2
2) We all, the readers of this sub, know that you're lying. Not that you're mistaken, but that you are deliberately trying to deceive and are knowingly making claims that are false. If you think that everyone should just sit back and let you lie all day and not respond to it, that's not how this works. There are very few members that I will state are being dishonest, rather than being mistaken. I won't say that you are lying unless I can prove that I know you know something is false or that I know you have access to information that would allow you to quickly determine whether or not a claim is substantiated. Furthermore, your reputation as a liar precedes you from the blog. This kind of nonsense that you're doing here is not going to be tolerated or respected.

So I'm sure were' going to do this again, but I hope we're not. I'd much rather spend time with honest people, discussing things in good faith, even when we disagree.
 
Regarding security patches, Verizon Galaxy devices are only lagging about 2-3 weeks later. I got my Nov. 1 update the week before Thanksgiving. Calendar month security updates have been this way since the S7 for me on VZW. Most of the complaints about delays are usually from owners of US unlocked devices, due to Samsung needing to certify them for multiple carriers. However, the November patch even for US unlocked phones did come out last week as well. They are getting faster.
 
Regarding security patches, Verizon Galaxy devices are only lagging about 2-3 weeks later. I got my Nov. 1 update the week before Thanksgiving. Calendar month security updates have been this way since the S7 for me on VZW. Most of the complaints about delays are usually from owners of US unlocked devices, due to Samsung needing to certify them for multiple carriers. However, the November patch even for US unlocked phones did come out last week as well. They are getting faster.

I agree they're getting better. I had a Verizon S8+ for several months and it was getting most updates in a timely fashion. The only distinction I make here is that they're not getting them out there without fail.

Samsung is getting a LOT better at a LOT of things. And some things they've always been great at.
 
Hi guys,
This thread has strayed very far from the topic. Let's not discuss each other and get back to the topic.

OP when is your pixel supposed to be delivered?
 
I was on a S8+, so was my wife.

I got a Pixel 3XL.
Don't like small phones with small batteries.

Got my wife a Note 9.
She has gotten used to the larger phones, and loved the battery life that comes with it.

I'm so glad to git away from not having a Bixby button. Not swipping to the left and getting on a Bixby page.
No Samsung Pay.
Not loaded with bloatware.

I usually take care of all the problems with my wife's phone.

Gave my wife a book on how do everything on the note 9 phone.
Want her to learn how to do everything.
I installed the bxbutton disabler for her.
I still hate the phone because it had the button and Bixby on it.

Haven't had a problem with the Pixel 3 XL.
It is a little different than the Samsung.
But you get used to it.
Don't think I will go back to Samsung.

Think you have a burning desire to try a Pixel.
I would try one, you never know you might like it.
I myself think the pixel 3 XL is a different phone than the pixel 3.

Ball is in your court.
What are you gonna do ?
 
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It should get here around the 10th! I'm crossing my fingers that's its sooner but who knows. I kind of went a little overboard while waiting. I got the Google home hub, a mini and the pixel stand lol. Just need my phone to complete the crew.
Hi guys,
This thread has strayed very far from the topic. Let's not discuss each other and get back to the topic.

OP when is your pixel supposed to be delivered?
 
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Have fun with your Pixel purchase OP, but to me, I think the Galaxy S9 (and S10 around the corner) are better overall devices.

I think the Pixel appeals to a very small, very specific set of consumers and the Galaxy appeals to a much broader range of consumers.

I think the camera on the Pixel is better than the S9, but you'll only notice the difference if you're comparing them side by side. Picture quality isn't a *huge* step up, it's just a little bit better. S9 and every other flagship on the market all have excellent cameras overall. The Pixel has terrible audio in its video recording, so if you record video a lot, I'd steer clear from the Pixel.

Hopefully the camera, 'stock' experience (which imo hasn't been good since android 9.0 Pie) and fast updates are extremely important to you, because that's all the Pixel 3 has going for it. However if you prefer a less buggy, overall better experience with more polished hardware/software, then I would have gone with the Galaxy. The Pixel 3 feels like a beta device to me. I'm surprised at the staggering number of serious issues the phone has and how slow Google have been to fix them. I'm expecting this December patch to be huge with a tonne of fixes.
 
Have fun with your Pixel purchase OP, but to me, I think the Galaxy S9 (and S10 around the corner) are better overall devices.

I think the Pixel appeals to a very small, very specific set of consumers and the Galaxy appeals to a much broader range of consumers.

I think the camera on the Pixel is better than the S9, but you'll only notice the difference if you're comparing them side by side. Picture quality isn't a *huge* step up, it's just a little bit better. S9 and every other flagship on the market all have excellent cameras overall. The Pixel has terrible audio in its video recording, so if you record video a lot, I'd steer clear from the Pixel.

Hopefully the camera, 'stock' experience (which imo hasn't been good since android 9.0 Pie) and fast updates are extremely important to you, because that's all the Pixel 3 has going for it. However if you prefer a less buggy, overall better experience with more polished hardware/software, then I would have gone with the Galaxy. The Pixel 3 feels like a beta device to me. I'm surprised at the staggering number of serious issues the phone has and how slow Google have been to fix them. I'm expecting this December patch to be huge with a tonne of fixes.

She heard all our advice , and she went with the pixel nothing wrong with that . She has 14 days to decide to keep it for good or return it . She tried out the s9 And probably wanted see something different nothing wrong , she might have a really good experience with it.
 
She heard all our advice , and she went with the pixel nothing wrong with that . She has 14 days to decide to keep it for good or return it . She tried out the s9 And probably wanted see something different nothing wrong , she might have a really good experience with it.
I agree, I'm just putting in my 2c. If OP likes the phone, then great - it was a good decision.
 
Point defiance Zoo? How was the light show?
I had an original XL, just upgraded to the 3XL.

We went to the "light show at the zoo" over the weekend. By the third exhibit, everyone that was with us had their phones in their pockets and just used the 3XL for pictures.

If you even occasionally take a Pic or two, and it is even remotely important that you are able to see said picture....

Get a Pixel.

All of them have the same (or 90+%) camera software.

They always take fanatic pictures.... And now with night sight...

2 new apples and 3 new S9's stayed in people's pockets while the XL3 took all of the pictures and sent them to the owners of the the "other phones"
 
Lol. No, Cincinnati, to me... Meh, lights is lights. And it was to dark to people watch.

I would post some of the pictures I took in the dark but not sure how to attach them to the thread.

And just to pile on in this thread.

How often do you have to reset a Samsung product to try to get rid of lag?

And how can you say the camera is only slightly better when no other phone currently has night vision?
 
It should get hear around the 10th! I'm crossing my fingers that's its sooner but who knows. I kind of went a little overboard while waiting. I got the Google home hub, a mini and the pixel stand lol. Just need my phone to complete the crew.

Yeah, if you got all of that in the ecosystem, Pixel 3 is a better device for you, IMO.
 
Have fun with your Pixel purchase OP, but to me, I think the Galaxy S9 (and S10 around the corner) are better overall devices.

I think the Pixel appeals to a very small, very specific set of consumers and the Galaxy appeals to a much broader range of consumers.

I think the camera on the Pixel is better than the S9, but you'll only notice the difference if you're comparing them side by side. Picture quality isn't a *huge* step up, it's just a little bit better. S9 and every other flagship on the market all have excellent cameras overall. The Pixel has terrible audio in its video recording, so if you record video a lot, I'd steer clear from the Pixel.

Hopefully the camera, 'stock' experience (which imo hasn't been good since android 9.0 Pie) and fast updates are extremely important to you, because that's all the Pixel 3 has going for it. However if you prefer a less buggy, overall better experience with more polished hardware/software, then I would have gone with the Galaxy. The Pixel 3 feels like a beta device to me. I'm surprised at the staggering number of serious issues the phone has and how slow Google have been to fix them. I'm expecting this December patch to be huge with a tonne of fixes.

All that but yet you didn't buy an S9 and you knew what you were getting into. You could have also returned your device but you didn't.
 
About a month ago. Both hubs and I had switched to iPhone, but it wasn't working for us anymore. Back to android!
 
All that but yet you didn't buy an S9 and you knew what you were getting into. You could have also returned your device but you didn't.

Yeah because I'm one of the consumers that prefer what the Pixel offers, but I recognise that on a whole, the Galaxy is probably the better product for most consumers. I feel that the Pixel serves a niche market and I kinda feel like I'm part of that niche market.

What I didn't know I was getting into is features Google advertise then didn't put into the phone, a plethora of bugs and issues that still haven't been addressed. I think 9to5Google really nail it in their article: https://9to5google.com/2018/11/28/comment-google-pixel-launch-buy/

Ignoring the price discounts (which would really burn early adopters), it's the staggering amount of serious bugs the phone has, ones that I have experienced, from the creators of android, one of the largest software developers in the world, that I'm surprised at. I didn't get the feeling that the Pixel 2 XL was a beta device, but I get that feeling with the Pixel 3 XL. Something I couldn't have possibly known when I purchased it.

Next year I'm pretty sure I'll go with the Galaxy S10/Note 10 (even their new UI looks better than stock 9.0 on Pixel) over the Pixel 4, unless Google actually take phones seriously and deliver an excellent, competitive and polished device.
 
About a month ago. Both hubs and I had switched to iPhone, but it wasn't working for us anymore. Back to android!

Enjoy. I had two home minis already. I bought one charging stand at full price but got a second one from best buy for 32 dollars through Google Express. I also used my 50 dollar preorder credit towards a home hub while it was on sale for 99 dollars.