Really? Why all the Sprint/Samsung hate over Froyo?

[Skunkape60]

That would make sense, unless rooting and installing a custom rom hadn't fixed all of my problems =/

Funny that 4 out of 6 phones were fixed without installing anything. The other 2 never had the issue to begin with. You might want to check around. Because most people were not having the issues you are describing with eclair. The reboots, force closes and lockups have never been a problem associated eclair. The gps problem was the only problem you mention that is an eclair issue. However I don't list it as a complaint for me because for what I use it for it's fine.

For most people eclair was more stable than any of the ROMS. That's why the devs needed the froyo source code. So they could make more stable ROMs.

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[jrz5024]

Funny that 4 out of 6 phones were fixed without installing anything. The other 2 never had the issue to begin with. You might want to check around. Because most people were not having the issues you are describing with eclair. The reboots, force closes and lockups have never been a problem associated eclair. The gps problem was the only problem you mention that is an eclair issue. However I don't list it as a complaint for me because for what I use it for it's fine.

What exactly is your argument, here? I shouldn't fault the software alone because the was hardware was faulty too? I fail to see how that helps Sammy's case.

Again, I feel it's important to point out that if changing the software fixed the problem then clearly it was a software problem. It's possible you didn't have faulty hardware either, you just had a faulty build of Eclair, and in getting a new phone you also got a new OS.

 

[Skunkape60]

What exactly is your argument, here? I shouldn't fault the software alone because the was hardware was faulty too? I fail to see how that helps Sammy's case.

Again, I feel it's important to point out that if changing the software fixed the problem then clearly it was a software problem. It's possible you didn't have faulty hardware either, you just had a faulty build of Eclair, and in getting a new phone you also got a new OS.

The point of my argument is most people were NOT having the issues you were discribing as being eclair related. MOST people found the eclair as stable or more stable than the custom ROMS. They rooted and used custom roms to get features not present in eclair. Not because they were having the issues you state as being eclair related.

Perhaps this thread may be of interest to you.

http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g/51772-no-2-2-so-what-being-positive-here-2.html

 

[Quis89]

Yes, this is a serious situation because it demonstrates the following:

1. Samsung is unable to provide trustworthy updates to their products. This may not seem like a big deal to some folks, but when updates are fully able to add new features and correct bugs (and the epic has its fair share of them with its default Eclair installation, such as Bluetooth issues), being stuck in an older version because the development teams at the manufacturer are completely unable to provide workable update solutions is a big problem (look at the Windows Phone 7 fiasco as well; guess which manufacturer's phones got hosed? Samsung's) that lowers the usefulness of a device.

2. It also shows that Samsung products are actually worth less than other manufacturer's products because of this stuck without updates situation. If you buy an HTC product and it has bugs or its missing features that could be integrated via software later on, you can rest assured that they will eventually fix and/or add those. Samsung? Every time they try to do so they either just release a new product and forget the people that bought their previous products (which aren't that old really) or simply fail miserably.

3. Consider that you bought your phone on contract. If you hadn't, the price of the device is about $550.00. You can buy a laptop for less than that! How would you feel if you buy a laptop today, need to use some software on it and you're told you can't because the manufacturer hasn't issued an update needed to run the software? That's happening with Samsung smartphones, and it's simply ridiculous.

4. None of this silly issues would exist if the Touchwiz interface were to be abandoned. Unlike some folks I actually have nothing against Touchwiz (and actually prefer its app drawer over the 3D app drawer), but if the darn thing is so problematic then it's really not worth it. It's like those Intel apps they put into laptops to manage wi-fi connections. I hate them, so one of the first things I do on a Laptop with an Intel CPU / chipset combo is get rid of that software. Same deal with Touchwiz.

5. Again, remember the price of the phone. For that amount of money per purchase (and they've sold quite a few), this kind of ineptitude when it comes to ensuring their device remains relevant and useful after the sale is simply embarrassing. I work at a software development company, and I know it's difficult to test all possibilities, but we're talking about a very specific device here! Even if they have lots of Galaxy S variants, there is only one Epic 4G. How come they can't properly test and develop just for that configuration? How much trust can you place in a company like that? Maybe they should just focus on screens and sell those to other companies and get out of the business of selling the whole device.

This one makes no sense. If I buy a laptop....its already doing all of the things Im expecting it to do. I'm not buying a laptop with the hopes that the manufacturer will release an update to provide functionality I need RIGHT NOW. And if any person bought an Epic because of what it MIGHT do or is SUPPOSED to do in the future then thats their fault.

If the Epic didnt meet your expectations...you had 30 days. I empathize with the GPS issues as not everyone was able to diagnose those in the first 30 days but all this other mess just doesnt make sense to me. If you dislike Samsung...use your wallet and spend your money elsewhere. I'm sure you can sell the Epic on ebay or craigslist and purchase yourself a phone that does whatever you like or need...

 

[silverthornne]

Well, I just meant that it's not cheap; it's an expensive product, and as such, we should hold them accountable to update, fix, and support features by way of making software updates available. Here is an example I just found:

Features and Specifications - Galaxy S D700 Desktop Dock | Samsung Mobile

Notice it's from the Samsung website itself. Notice the part in the image where it says that the 3.5 mm audio jack on the dock will be fully functional once Android 2.2 is released for the device. Gee, they're saying that a broken feature will work when 2.2 is released for the phone. On the Samsung website. I don't know what else to say for all the "lovers."

You may think I'm some sort of irrational fool, but the reality is that I do like Samsung products. I like them a lot; my big TV is a Samsung, so are my PC monitors. I just had no idea their software division was so bad until I got this phone. I mean, the display is beautiful, I prefer a physical keyboard over a software keyboard, and thus it was the perfect device for me when I bought it. Months have passed, Samsung's promised update hasn't arrived, and I'm just venting from disappointment.

 

[IZZY Dead]

Perhaps I don't belong on this forum.... I got my Epic on 9/23/10. I was never promised any updates and at that time didn't realize there was one. My phone did everytimg I was told it would do and did it very reliably. When I bought my phone, I felt it was the nicest phone I've ever seen and even though my phone didn't received the froyo update, I think it still is. I even like my epic with 2.1 eclair better than my friends 2.2 evo.

I may get a lot of hate for what I'm about to say but find all this venom toward sumsung and sprint almost laughable.

I agree with you whole heartedly but 95% of the people on here are addicted to their phones like junkies are addicted to dope and 2.1 just wasn't getting them off anymore especially when they were hearing from everyone else how good it was.

 

[Skunkape60]

I bought this phone for making phone calls, texting, email, keeping track of appointments and the occasional web browsing. It absolutely does EVERYTHING I need it to do and more. I just don't see myself ever complaining about whether it has froyo or not.

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[dchawk81]

I bought this phone for making phone calls, texting, email, keeping track of appointments and the occasional web browsing. It absolutely does EVERYTHING I need it to do and more. I just don't see myself ever complaining about whether it has froyo or not.

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I thought that way for a long time, but Froyo has quite a few little improvements that, to me at least, add up to a better experience overall.

 

[Windfrenzy]

There are issues with EB13, but the phone is so much faster now and gps is worlds better. No going back for me.

 

[Skunkape60]

There are issues with EB13, but the phone is so much faster now and gps is worlds better. No going back for me.

Your experience differs than most. The majority of folks seem to be complaining about a slowdown with froyo. Gps works as good as I will ever need.

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[Windfrenzy]

Your experience differs than most. The majority of folks seem to be complaining about a slowdown with froyo. Gps works as good as I will ever need.

...from most posters maybe, but based on the poll, Android Forums - View Poll Resultsmost are updated w/o issue. I suspect there are some in the "with issues" group who, like me have now fixed everything via the great help in the forums.

For the record, I was stock 2.1, rooted via z4, and used the update.zip method.

 

[Skunkape60]

...from most posters maybe, but based on the poll, Android Forums - View Poll Resultsmost are updated w/o issue. I suspect there are some in the "with issues" group who, like me have now fixed everything via the great help in the forums.

For the record, I was stock 2.1, rooted via z4, and used the update.zip method.

also consider the fact that you can't edit or change your poll response. Some may have originally said there were no issues but later found some.

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