S4 not as good as an iPhone

[Haalcyon]

So you come to a Samsung forum, calling Samsung products cheap, and then promote the Maxx? Sure that'll go over well......

Whether or not it goes over well should be inconsequential and irrelevant. This is his experience. Are the forums about saying things that others find enjoyable or agree with or are we adults able to freely discuss our opinions and experiences with Android and other mobile OS'?

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[pappy53]

This is the reason Apple products do so well, Jobs legacy he left was creating a monster marketing machine, And he was a great salesman promoting the engineers creations.

I think that the reason Apple products do so well is that they do what they do so well.

 

[return_0]

I think that the reason Apple products do so well is that they do what they do so well.

I don't believe that is true anymore; Android products have been at the level of Apple in that respect for a while now. I think that when the iPhone first came out, it already was able to "do what it does so well", while Android at the time wasn't. So people naturally chose the iPhone. For a while after that, Android improved, but people still stuck to the iPhone because they were used to it. Now, that's starting to change.

 

[DroidArmy]

Whether or not it goes over well should be inconsequential and irrelevant. This is his experience. Are the forums about saying things that others find enjoyable or agree with or are we adults able to freely discuss our opinions and experiences with Android and other mobile OS'?

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Even though I respect his opinion, this is a s4 forum thread. That belongs in the Maxx forum. This isn't the place for it. It would have fine been if he didn't say Samsung was cheap, but he did sooo.....

 

[DroidArmy]

I think that the reason Apple products do so well is that they do what they do so well.

Exactly pappy. They build excellent products, an easy to use OS (ios or Mac osx), but most importantly they nailed notifications and messaging. The ONLY things I miss from ios are imessage and the beautiful way of doing notifications. Nothing comes close to those on any platform in my opinion (except for BBM, it's really good and I'm looking forward to having it on android).

 

[pappy53]

I don't believe that is true anymore; Android products have been at the level of Apple in that respect for a while now. I think that when the iPhone first came out, it already was able to "do what it does so well", while Android at the time wasn't. So people naturally chose the iPhone. For a while after that, Android improved, but people still stuck to the iPhone because they were used to it. Now, that's starting to change.

I am sure that some stay with iPhone because they are used to it, but most probably do because it does what they need it to do right out of the box with no lag or issues, and still does it well 2 or 3 years down the road. Plus 3 and 4 year old iPhones still get timely updates, which is a big factor.
Android has caught up in some things, but that doesn't seem to lessen the iPhone's appeal, at least in the U.S.. iPhone has been increasing it's U.S. marketshare for several months, while Android has been stagnant or slipping. Surveys show that more people switch from Android to Apple than vice-versa, and the U.S. carriers report that more than half of their smartphones sales are iPhones. Add OUTSTANDING customer support to that, and you have a very desirable product.

 

[FishenFool]

Exactly pappy. They build excellent products, am easy to use OS (ios or Mac osx), but most importantly they nailed notifications and messaging. The ONLY things I miss from ios are imessage and the beautiful way of doing notifications. Nothing comes close to those on any platform in my opinion (except for BBM, it's really good and I'm looking forward to having it on android).

Are you freaking kidding me. The best notification system was on webOS and if Apotheker hadn't totally destroyed that platform it would still be around


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[DroidArmy]

I don't believe that is true anymore; Android products have been at the level of Apple in that respect for a while now. I think that when the iPhone first came out, it already was able to "do what it does so well", while Android at the time wasn't. So people naturally chose the iPhone. For a while after that, Android improved, but people still stuck to the iPhone because they were used to it. Now, that's starting to change.

Not necessarily. The only reason I'm on android is because my iPhone got stolen. I had a chance to try it, so I took the chance. I would still be using an iPhone now if that didn't happen, and that's no problem with me. It works, there are so many apps, and you get a streamlined experience and ease of use across the board. I value Apple as much as I do Samsung, and that's saying something. Apple, in my opinion, actually builds better products, but they don't have the size of screen that fits my needs. They're popular for a reason, they make it so easy. You wouldn't believe the hoops I went through to get my Android phone perfect, that kind of work is too much for something you paid a great amount of money for. Android is still a OS that needs somebody to step-up and make it absolutely perfect with the phone it runs on (which only HTC has come close to doing, unless it's a Google edition or Nexus). I'll probably use android for a long time, but that doesn't mean Apple is worse.

 

[DroidArmy]

Are you freaking kidding me. The best notification system was on webOS and if Apotheker hadn't totally destroyed that platform it would still be around


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Well, Web os was killed for a reason. Personally, haven't used it, but I'll take your word for it. I still prefer ios over it for the notifications either way

 

[garublador]

Re: s4 not as good as an iPhone

Except that the iPhone 5 battery is about 1400 mah and the S4 is around 2600. So the i5 must be magical.

So late last week my wife used Google Now on her iPhone 5 (presumably making sure it got into active memory, but I don't know if it made a difference) and then went back to work after maternity leave on Friday. Something about her change in schedule or opening Google Now drained the battery without her using it in half a day. She had to turn it off to keep her battery from draining in just a few hours. I have my Google Now on all the time and I make it through the day without any problems, even while traveling. That doesn't sound very magical to me.

 

[pappy53]

Apple, in my opinion, actually builds better products, but they don't have the size of screen that fits my needs.

If Apple would build an iPhone the size of the Moto X, they wouldn't be able to keep up with demand, and a huge portion of those customers would be present Android owners, IMHO.
I agree about the screen, and that is why I will switch to a bigger screened Android every now and then, plus the fact that I also love Android. But I just had successful cornea transplant surgeries in both eyes, and now the smaller screen is not much of an issue. I just wish that iPhone had text wrap, as that is very useful, and I don't understand why Apple has not implemented it yet.

 

[DroidArmy]

Re: s4 not as good as an iPhone

So late last week my wife used Google Now on her iPhone 5 (presumably making sure it got into active memory, but I don't know if it made a difference) and then went back to work after maternity leave on Friday. Something about her change in schedule or opening Google Now drained the battery without her using it in half a day. She had to turn it off to keep her battery from draining in just a few hours. I have my Google Now on all the time and I make it through the day without any problems, even while traveling. That doesn't sound very magical to me.

Well, cross platform sometimes isn't the greatest. Google? They program for Android extremely well because they own it. When they program apps for Apple however, it's a completely different system written in different code. They're not the best at writing Apple apps, it's can be hard to take something from Android and port everything to iOS. The maps app: lags a decent amount and is slow. Google now: works fine, but battery issues. Nothing is perfect, but that doesn't make it the phones fault. If anything, it's faulty programming. It happens a lot on Android as well

 

[DroidArmy]

If Apple would build an iPhone the size of the Moto X, they wouldn't be able to keep up with demand, and a huge portion of those customers would be present Android owners, IMHO.
I agree about the screen, and that is why I will switch to a bigger screened Android every now and then, plus the fact that I also love Android. But I just had successful cornea transplant surgeries in both eyes, and now the smaller screen is not much of an issue. I just wish that iPhone had text wrap, as that is very useful, and I don't understand why Apple has not implemented it yet.

Exactly. With the amount of people currently wanting iPhones, the demand is hard to meet when the phones are released. Even if you pre-order the next iPhone it can be a long time before they can get one out to you. If they made a screen say 5 inches, orders would be backed up 2-3 months. It would be that bad, that's the only thing apple is missing. They desperately need a bigger screen to thrive in this new market of phones that are 5+ inches

 

[pappy53]

Re: s4 not as good as an iPhone

So late last week my wife used Google Now on her iPhone 5 (presumably making sure it got into active memory, but I don't know if it made a difference) and then went back to work after maternity leave on Friday. Something about her change in schedule or opening Google Now drained the battery without her using it in half a day. She had to turn it off to keep her battery from draining in just a few hours. I have my Google Now on all the time and I make it through the day without any problems, even while traveling. That doesn't sound very magical to me.

I would put that at Google's front door, not Apple. Sounds like shoddy programming to me.

 

[garublador]

Re: s4 not as good as an iPhone

I would put that at Google's front door, not Apple. Sounds like shoddy programming to me.

I could just as easily claim that the iPhone gets better battery life because it doesn't do anywhere near as much as Android. It has a smaller screen with a slower processor and doesn't do any sort of location based services. It's not magic, it's just that it doesn't do as much. Having a much smaller battery run out faster doing the same thing is perfectly in line with what went on.

 

[DroidArmy]

I could just as easily claim that the iPhone gets better battery life because it doesn't do anywhere near as much as Android. It has a smaller screen with a slower processor and doesn't do any sort of location based services. It's not magic, it's just that it doesn't do as much. Having a much smaller battery run out faster doing the same thing is perfectly in line with what went on.

Nope, it's not in line. I'm going to say faulty programming (which I've dabbled in). It may have a slower processor, but it doesn't need a huge one. My old iPhone 5 runs as fast as my Galaxy, and that's due to optimization (which android basically doesn't have unless you have a Moto x). It's all about optimization. And yes, it does do location services with Google Now. It can also remind you things when you get to a certain location, etc. Basically, you have no argument

 

[garublador]

Basically, you have no argument

Well, except physics. A phone with as smaller battery will drain faster than a phone with a larger battery if they're performing the same operation. I'm not claiming that the iPhone 5 is bad or even worse than a S4, just that the battery life isn't anything special like some people claim. It's pretty much the same as most other flagship devices, except for the new Motorloas, which have better battery life than most.

 

[DroidArmy]

Well, except physics. A phone with as smaller battery will drain faster than a phone with a larger battery if they're performing the same operation. I'm not claiming that the iPhone 5 is bad or even worse than a S4, just that the battery life isn't anything special like some people claim. It's pretty much the same as most other flagship devices, except for the new Motorloas, which have better battery life than most.

Well if it's the same device you would be correct, but these are not. Like I said, it comes down to optimization. The iPhone could be running a process at let's say 800 mhz. Then let's say I have a galaxy running the process at 1.9 ghz. Obviously, the Galaxy will die faster.

 

[pappy53]

Re: s4 not as good as an iPhone

I could just as easily claim that the iPhone gets better battery life because it doesn't do anywhere near as much as Android. It has a smaller screen with a slower processor and doesn't do any sort of location based services. It's not magic, it's just that it doesn't do as much. Having a much smaller battery run out faster doing the same thing is perfectly in line with what went on.

Optimization is the magic, and Moto is the only one that understands that so far.
It is the reason that an iPhone's performance is equal to, or better than basically any Android on the market, and does it with a "slower processor" and a smaller battery.
If all Android OEM's would follow Moto's lead on optimizing, then it would probably be the biggest improvement in Android history. And I hope that they do.

 

[whoahbro]

I left the iPhone because iOS is soooooo boooorrrrring.

If you aren't bored with iOS you either just got it, or you are one step of competency away from needing a jitterbug flip phone.

The only 2 things going for the iPhone IMO is the stability of iOS and the physical aesthetics of the phone.

If the s4 was more metal, glass, carbon fiber, faux leather or wood, or some other premium feeling material I would have went with it. I'm sure Samsung will be addressing this.

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