Samsung Galaxy S20 Plus DXOMARK score of 118

[donm527]

Galaxy S20+ camera worse than 2019 Chinese flagships: DxOMark review

https://www.sammobile.com/news/galaxy-s20-plus-camera-review-disappointing-dxomark

https://www.dxomark.com/samsung-galaxy-s20plus-camera-review/

 

[Umbrokhan]

If you want good pictures then you should get Google Pixel 4.
If you want good video then get iPhone 11 Pro.
Otherwise Samsung is good enough for average consumer.

 

[donm527]

Well, in the past Samsung was able to release their flagships with the cameras able to compete near the top, if not take the top spot, at least for a week or so until the next flagship came out. Always been a back and forth between Samsung, Apple and recently Google.

They have always been capable of competing but this year is a bit tough for them and it's not just Samsung Vs Apple anymore... Google and Huawei and not Xaomi been stepping up their camera game.

They seemed confident in "Changing Photography." Maybe next gen cam with S21. I would be surprised if Google doesn't perform near the top and then Apple with the 12.

If you want good pictures then you should get Google Pixel 4.
If you want good video then get iPhone 11 Pro.
Otherwise Samsung is good enough for average consumer.

 

[racedog]

So you feel its OK to charge pretty much the highest prices in the business for a phone that "is good enough for the average consumer".

If you want good pictures then you should get Google Pixel 4.
If you want good video then get iPhone 11 Pro.
Otherwise Samsung is good enough for average consumer.

 

[Mike Dee]

Google does it's best at certain still photography. There's no rear wide camera which is a drawback in this day and age to a lot of people.
Google's video and it's audio pale by comparison to almost every major player so calling it a great camera is only partially true.
Outside of the camera there are too many hardware compromises to make Google a choice.

Overall I feel Apple and Samsung do a better job at a variety of situations with regard to the camera. Samsung still leads as a total package.

 

[ThrottleJohnny]

Yeah I'm not sure what the obsession is with the S20 cameras.. They are very good cameras, but not the best this time.. It happens. Before their resurgence with the 10s line of phones, Apple was middle of the pack. Huawei was average until 2 years ago. Google lead the pack for 3 generations before the rest of the industry caught up.. Before that it was Samsung.

I'd put Samsung third or forth in the industry right now.. It usually takes 2 to 3 generations to regain a lead once you lose it.

And again, I'm not sure what price has to do with anything, as Samsung phones are huge devices with big batteries and every major spec you can think of thrown at them.. They'd be expensive even if they didn't include a camera at all.

 

[Mike Dee]

Yeah I'm not sure what the obsession is with the S20 cameras.. They are very good cameras, but not the best this time.. It happens. Before their resurgence with the 10s line of phones, Apple was middle of the pack. Huawei was average until 2 years ago. Google lead the pack for 3 generations before the rest of the industry caught up.. Before that it was Samsung.

I'd put Samsung third or forth in the industry right now.. It usually takes 2 to 3 generations to regain a lead once you lose it.

And again, I'm not sure what price has to do with anything, as Samsung phones are huge devices with big batteries and every major spec you can think of thrown at them.. They'd be expensive even if they didn't include a camera at all.

Like any other OEM's recent model there are certain things Samsung does well with their cameras and some things not so we'll. Even if someone's priority is the camera there's no holy grail of cameras in a device. I was never a camera priority person although I did vest myself in the Pixel 2XL and 3XL for about a year and a half.

 

[Gray Area]

Isn't that what Apple has done for years? But the galaxy s20 line isn't just good enough it's at the near top in every category not just cameras. One of the best battery life, best display, one of the best designs, best hardware, one of the best software experience, more features and options then any other phone etc... Don't get me wrong the pricing needs to go down, which I think we're gonna see soon for all phones. Consumers have finally spoken and it seems the sweet spot for a flagship is max $1000-1100. Even that's to much but ppl are starting to grow tired of it, even with apple which is good for future pricing. Mid-range phones are good enough nowadays so they better do something about these flagship prices.

So you feel its OK to charge pretty much the highest prices in the business for a phone that "is good enough for the average consumer".

 

[bhatech]

Isn't that what Apple has done for years? But the galaxy s20 line isn't just good enough it's at the near top in every category not just cameras. One of the best battery life, best display, one of the best designs, best hardware, one of the best software experience, more features and options then any other phone etc... Don't get me wrong the pricing needs to go down, which I think we're gonna see soon for all phones. Consumers have finally spoken and it seems the sweet spot for a flagship is max $1000-1100. Even that's to much but ppl are starting to grow tired of it, even with apple which is good for future pricing. Mid-range phones are good enough nowadays so they better do something about these flagship prices.

Apple is going to make life hard for Samsung and every other Android OEM for the flagship range. People can argue all they want about specs, iPhone doesn't do this or that ****.

But their iPhone 12 pricing leak starts at $649 for iPhone 12 5.4'' and $750 for iPhone 12 6.1''. The pro models start at $999 for 6.1'' and 6.7'' max starting at $1099. They are covering wide range of pricing and screen sizes which will make it hard for Android OEMs to compete in the US. Doesn't matter if it doesn't have the highest resolution, multi window or super duper fast charging etc. Most normal people are going to see latest iPhone 12 starts at $650.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/big-iphone-12-leak-names-specs-and-prices-revealed-for-every-model

 

[rikken]

Samsung's problem is their software.

https://youtu.be/Yixfk5c9974

 

[donm527]

That was a pretty informative video. What was really a great example of software messing up the good hardware of the Ultra is the comparison he shows of an image like the moon you are seeing through the display and all the detail you can see on that moon vs the actual pic the phone takes of that same moon at same zoom taking looking like mush.

I mean, if you want to take better photos with your Ultra, it seems like you are better off getting the sharpest view of the photo you want to take and do a screenshot of your display to get the more accurate pic than the software process pic it actually takes lol.

Samsung's lean on overprocessing their images, while it may work at close up pics where they feel their customers like that beauty mode type of photos end up killing their hardware potential.

Samsung's problem is their software.

https://youtu.be/Yixfk5c9974

 

[donm527]

Yeah, I mentioned elsewhere, it's amazing that iPhone is now the "value" choice over the rest for the price of entry into a "flagship."

People may say it's deceptive if you look at specs and the smaller amount of memory you get at the lower prices and closer to Samsung prices once you compare it to the model with similar memory... and it's true... but the rock bottom price of entry if what catches their eye first and gets that customer to come into their store to take a look or their website and catches them.

People then decide if they can live with the memory on the rock bottom price they'll go ahead and get it. At that point there will be some that will then say... "I can add that $100 or $200 to go up in memory or up in size"... or maybe they'll think I'll stick with cheaper one but I can now spend on some Airpods or get an Apple Watch. Man college touring with my daughter this past year to campus across the country it almost looks like everyone was walking around with Airpods and Apple Watches. They are really firing on all cylinders right now.

S20 at $1099 and + at $1199... Ugh. And the recent rumor is base Pro models will come with 128gb storage. I think even the $649 standard 12 will have 5G??

Apple is going to make life hard for Samsung and every other Android OEM for the flagship range. People can argue all they want about specs, iPhone doesn't do this or that ****.

But their iPhone 12 pricing leak starts at $649 for iPhone 12 5.4'' and $750 for iPhone 12 6.1''. The pro models start at $999 for 6.1'' and 6.7'' max starting at $1099. They are covering wide range of pricing and screen sizes which will make it hard for Android OEMs to compete in the US. Doesn't matter if it doesn't have the highest resolution, multi window or super duper fast charging etc. Most normal people are going to see latest iPhone 12 starts at $650.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/big-iphone-12-leak-names-specs-and-prices-revealed-for-every-model

 

[Mike Dee]

Yeah, I mentioned elsewhere, it's amazing that iPhone is now the "value" choice over the rest for the price of entry into a "flagship."

People may say it's deceptive if you look at specs and the smaller amount of memory you get at the lower prices and closer to Samsung prices once you compare it to the model with similar memory... and it's true... but the rock bottom price of entry if what catches their eye first and gets that customer to come into their store to take a look or their website and catches them.

People then decide if they can live with the memory on the rock bottom price they'll go ahead and get it. At that point there will be some that will then say... "I can add that $100 or $200 to go up in memory or up in size"... or maybe they'll think I'll stick with cheaper one but I can now spend on some Airpods or get an Apple Watch. Man college touring with my daughter this past year to campus across the country it almost looks like everyone was walking around with Airpods and Apple Watches. They are really firing on all cylinders right now.

S20 at $1099 and + at $1199... Ugh. And the recent rumor is base Pro models will come with 128gb storage. I think even the $649 standard 12 will have 5G??

Sorry but I think we've diluted the term flagship. The way I see it the Pro is the flagship in the line not the 649 entry model.

 

[Gray Area]

That's my point, prices going forward are going down. Apple sets the market price, and now that they are concentrating on services for their profits and the consumer has spoken on how much their willing to pay for phones, we will get more value in our devices. In the form of same flagship quality at lower prices. The difference is, apple will do this by rehashing part's, old design's etc.. Android oems, will do what they've been doing in the mid-range, giving more for your buck but maybe a little less experimental innovation. At least that's what I anticipate.

Apple is going to make life hard for Samsung and every other Android OEM for the flagship range. People can argue all they want about specs, iPhone doesn't do this or that ****.

But their iPhone 12 pricing leak starts at $649 for iPhone 12 5.4'' and $750 for iPhone 12 6.1''. The pro models start at $999 for 6.1'' and 6.7'' max starting at $1099. They are covering wide range of pricing and screen sizes which will make it hard for Android OEMs to compete in the US. Doesn't matter if it doesn't have the highest resolution, multi window or super duper fast charging etc. Most normal people are going to see latest iPhone 12 starts at $650.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/big-iphone-12-leak-names-specs-and-prices-revealed-for-every-model

 

[donm527]

Personally I kinda see what you're saying and I agree with you. And in the past iPhone didn't have "Regular" and "Pro"... they only had one model in small and large and it was their flagship model. I guess you can relate it to how an Escalade is Cadillac's flagship SUV but available in diff specs and price level... but you're still walking out with an Escalade. I dunno.

But the S20 is Samsung's flagship model... just like the 12 will be iPhone's flagship model... and the price of entry for the 12 is still $649 and the price of entry for the S20 is still $1099.

I guess it's just perfectly targeted for schmucks like me... You got my attention with that base price to look get their latest model and from there you start building and adding if you want to get the phone you can live with and you walk away with an iPhone 12 if you like iPhones.

Sorry but I think we've diluted the term flagship. The way I see it the Pro is the flagship in the line not the 649 entry model.

 

[ThrottleJohnny]

Just keep in mind, the 2020 iPhones will likely face a delay, putting them ever so closer to the Q1 2021 flagships. They may not have that pricing advantage for long if the rest of the market follows, which we already know it will lol

The one advantage Apple will have is the long term commitment to their devices that Android cannot match.

 

[Mike Dee]

Personally I kinda see what you're saying and I agree with you. And in the past iPhone didn't have "Regular" and "Pro"... they only had one model in small and large and it was their flagship model. I guess you can relate it to how an Escalade is Cadillac's flagship SUV but available in diff specs and price level... but you're still walking out with an Escalade. I dunno.

But the S20 is Samsung's flagship model... just like the 12 will be iPhone's flagship model... and the price of entry for the 12 is still $649 and the price of entry for the S20 is still $1099.

I guess it's just perfectly targeted for schmucks like me... You got my attention with that base price to look get their latest model and from there you start building and adding if you want to get the phone you can live with and you walk away with an iPhone 12 if you like iPhones.

Except that the base 12 can't come close in specs to a base S20.

 

[bhatech]

Except that the base 12 can't come close in specs to a base S20.

Which doesn't matter to majority of the people buying phones. $650 iPhone still will perform like a champ, has a great ecosystem and will be supported for many many years. All people will see is the latest iPhone series starts at $649. At that price point it'll not even have 5G (my guess) but still it wouldn't stop from being their most popular phone for the next year. It's smart branding from Apple that all their models are branded as iPhone 12 irrespective of lower specs on the cheaper models.

 

[Mike Dee]

Which doesn't matter to majority of the people buying phones. $650 iPhone still will perform like a champ, has a great ecosystem and will be supported for many many years. All people will see is the latest iPhone series starts at $649. At that price point it'll not even have 5G (my guess) but still it wouldn't stop from being their most popular phone for the next year. It's smart branding from Apple that all their models are branded as iPhone 12 irrespective of lower specs on the cheaper models.

My point is it's not a flagship phone and it is just branding. Other OEMs have non flagships for the same price or less. It will sell but even non tech people like my wife and daughter would never buy it just for the screen size alone. As far as performing like a champ, the 4GB of RAM is a weak link. Scrolling lots of pages and images causes scrolling to jump back to the beginning. Glad to see they are going to 6GB on the higher end models. The only thing it's got going for it is longevity in support, but how many people even pay attention to updates? Not one person in my extended family or even friends ever worries about updates.

 

[donm527]

I didn't want to get into this too much because I'm not a Android vs. iOS debater... if you're not into iPhones and such that's cool.

But the 12 will be their flagship model. The fact you mention your wife and daughter would never buy it for the screen size alone doesn't mean a thing. And if you're the type that think because the available screen size is still smaller than Samsung's and makes it any less of a flagship then that's cool... you're wrong... but that's cool. Because having the biggest screen and the biggest battery doesn't mean it's the best flagship. I mean having the biggest zoom doesn't make the camera the best when it can't take a usable pic at 100x or even beat some of the current best with smaller sensors.

4GB of RAM weak link... that's why I don't like Android vs iOS comparisons like that because you see in tests, the iOS will hold it's own and maybe even excel in tests without needing 8 or 16GB RAM. If specs matter then we can talk processor how benchmarks on the current 11 already outperform the S20 Ultra. Again it doesn't matter because they run two different platforms, but technically, the processor spanks the SD. Some people actually say the iPhone 11 Pro Max, with the smaller battery, has better battery life than the S20 that has a bigger battery. But at the very least it holds it own with battery closer to S20 size.

(Edit add)... And... if you are comparing with an Exynos version, then you're in worst shape in performance and battery.

https://www.techradar.com/news/iphone-12-may-be-twice-as-fast-as-the-samsung-galaxy-s20

I know you said "Except that the base 12 can't come close in specs to a base S20"... but we just don't know until it comes out so didn't say anything.

But "specs" processor-wise... the S20 is already beat with just the 11's processor so your point was moot. The camera?? I won't discount iPhone might not be able to put out a better performing camera when with less camera's than the S20. Again, I don't go wow over big numbers like more cameras or 108mp or 100x "Space Zoom." Google I think shows you could have a banging good camera with just one lens and some people argue it still take better pics than some current phones. The battery life could end up being better than the S20... dunno yet. But too early to see the S20 beats the 12 in all specs.

We'll have to see what Apple ends up giving us and how it performs but I wouldn't go by numbers and think what you're getting from the regular phone is still not flagship phone. You will probably see a lot of S20 vs iPhone 12 reviews and if Apple does it right, you just might see and be surprised of the results. But I will say I am only speaking for myself so if others don't feel the reg iPhone 12 is not a flagship model then thats cool. I guess you don't think the reg S20 is part of Samsung's flagship line but I do.

My point is it's not a flagship phone and it is just branding. Other OEMs have non flagships for the same price or less. It will sell but even non tech people like my wife and daughter would never buy it just for the screen size alone. As far as performing like a champ, the 4GB of RAM is a weak link. Scrolling lots of pages and images causes scrolling to jump back to the beginning. Glad to see they are going to 6GB on the higher end models. The only thing it's got going for it is longevity in support, but how many people even pay attention to updates. Not one person in my extended family or even friends ever worries about updates.