Samsung sucks for removing the micro SD and MST Samsung Pay.

[Nakrohtap]

First, it was the removable batteries, then the IR blaster, now it's the MST.
While losing features sucks, they are catering to the masses. NFC is more widespread and "nearly" everywhere. Some people won't like it. But, they will still sell lots of phones.

 

[Gary02468]

NFC isn't everywhere

Of course. State-of-the-art devices often depend on up-to-date infrastructure, so those devices may not yet be appropriate for customers who don't have the infrastructure yet. When Samsung first offered MST a few years ago, I found it very useful and entertaining; it was one of the best features of my phone and watch. But it's now been about a year since the last time I needed to use it anywhere.

no way an sd card for expandable storage is considered obsolete stuff

It is. The new approach is to depend on 5G speed and cloud storage, using on-board memory as only a cache. Again, the needed infrastructure isn't everywhere yet, but the leading-edge devices rely on it already.

 

[me just saying]

If manufacturers catered to every slow-to-adapt customer who insists on keeping obsolete features for new devices, we'd have floppy drives on all our phones. Features cost money to develop and manufacture and maintain, and they take up space, so old features have to be abandoned in order to free up resources for new ones. The vast majority of customers are ok with Samsung's engineering tradeoffs, and those who aren't can of course stay with their older devices, or find other products that are better suited to their needs.

usually the newer tech is backwards compatible or provide the same feature/service. for example, you talked about floppies, Storage was never eliminated like mst.

 

[me just saying]

I was at a Loves truck stop a little while ago picking up some snacks, try paying using nfc (watch) but kept getting an error that said wrong pin number. It did not evern ask for a pin. Had to pull the phone and use mst. For my usage, mst is more reliable than nfc. nfc fumbles a lot.

 

[corvette72778]

Of course. State-of-the-art devices often depend on up-to-date infrastructure, so those devices may not yet be appropriate for customers who don't have the infrastructure yet. When Samsung first offered MST a few years ago, I found it very useful and entertaining; it was one of the best features of my phone and watch. But it's now been about a year since the last time I needed to use it anywhere.


It is. The new approach is to depend on 5G speed and cloud storage, using on-board memory as only a cache. Again, the needed infrastructure isn't everywhere yet, but the leading-edge devices rely on it already.

NFC is everywhere in an ideal world
NFC is not everywhere in the real world. Go to your local post office and see for yourself. Too many examples of NFC not widespread.

Cloud storage is dependant upon internet speed which may not be good in a lot of places. Either way there is longer access time vs local access.
Cloud storage has a recurring subscription cost to it. Kind of annoying especially when you have over 500GB. Amazon and other cloud services are making a fortune off of this.

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

NFC is everywhere in an ideal world
NFC is not everywhere in the real world. Go to your local post office and see for yourself. Too many examples of NFC not widespread.

Cloud storage is dependant upon internet speed which may not be good in a lot of places. Either way there is longer access time vs local access.
Cloud storage has a recurring subscription cost to it. Kind of annoying especially when you have over 500GB. Amazon and other cloud services are making a fortune off of this.

If i go to a post office, every cashier has an NFC enabled card reader.

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

usually the newer tech is backwards compatible or provide the same feature/service. for example, you talked about floppies, Storage was never eliminated like mst.

That is a really badly made point, as contactless payments still exist as well.

 

[me just saying]

That is a really badly made point, as contactless payments still exist as well.

actually you missed the point. mst should still be available even with newer tech since nothing has replace it other than using the card itself. it can be consider a step backward.

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

actually you missed the point. mst should still be available even with newer tech since nothing has replace it other than using the card itself. it can be consider a step backward.

No, you made it poorly.

Floppies made way for CD-ROMs and then flash storage just as magnetic stripes made way for chip and PIN and now NFC.

There wasn't backwards compatibility, there was overlap for adjustment.

 

[Mike Dee]

NFC isn't everywhere

I'm glad somebody gets it

 

[Mike Dee]

If i go to a post office, every cashier has an NFC enabled card reader.

That's not true in the U.S.....and there are lots of small retailers that don't have the proper terminals.

 

[Gary02468]

I'm glad somebody gets it

Somebody? Everybody in this conversation agrees that NFC isn't everywhere. The disagreement is over whether that implies that a leading-edge phone should still support MST.

 

[Rose4uKY]

Somebody? Everybody in this conversation agrees that NFC isn't everywhere. The disagreement is over whether that implies that a leading-edge phone should support MST.

So now that it's gone and we have to use NFC does it drain your battery any less to leave NFC on all the time or is it best to just turn it on if you know your using Samsung Pay?

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

So now that it's gone and we have to use NFC does it drain your battery any less to leave NFC on all the time or is it best to just turn it on if you know your using Samsung Pay?

NFC doesn't use much power at all. If you leave it on, you likely won't notice the battery drain at all.

I've actually had NFC turned off for a few months, but that's because I don't go outside any more lol.

 

[racedog]

You don't have to leave NFC on for SP. I have it turned off and it turns on when I bring up SP to pay and then shuts itself down once the transaction is done.

So now that it's gone and we have to use NFC does it drain your battery any less to leave NFC on all the time or is it best to just turn it on if you know your using Samsung Pay?

 

[me just saying]

No, you made it poorly.

Floppies made way for CD-ROMs and then flash storage just as magnetic stripes made way for chip and PIN and now NFC.

There wasn't backwards compatibility, there was overlap for adjustment.

but they did exactly the same thing. they all stored data, that is the backward compatibility I was talking about. anything you copied to a 8 inch floppy could be copied to a 5 1/4 floppy to a 3 1/2 to zip to harddrive to usb and so on. That is not what happened with mst. when it is gone it is gone. no longer have the ability to use the technology.

as far as making it poorly, it was your original example. so if it was poor gotta look at the source.

 

[Rose4uKY]

You don't have to leave NFC on for SP. I have it turned off and it turns on when I bring up SP to pay and then shuts itself down once the transaction is done.

Oh it does hmm Thanks! I didn't know that

 

[bkeaver]

there are several nfc terminals in my area that tends to have issues so when nfc fails, mst don't. I guess I will keep my note 10+ a bit longer than planned. Then when I got to get a new phone, I will switch to google pay. no reason for samsung to keep track of payment history since google already does.

This time around samsung really did a number on the phones, no charger, no mst, less ram, no sdcard slot and more.

Less ram???

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

but they did exactly the same thing. they all stored data, that is the backward compatibility I was talking about. anything you copied to a 8 inch floppy could be copied to a 5 1/4 floppy to a 3 1/2 to zip to harddrive to usb and so on. That is not what happened with mst. when it is gone it is gone. no longer have the ability to use the technology.

as far as making it poorly, it was your original example. so if it was poor gotta look at the source.

In this analogy, data is the equivalent of money. You can store data on those mediums the same way you can spend money with the various technologies. You can't use a floppy disc in a modern computer. You don't seem to know what backwards compatible means...

And it wasn't my original example lol. I believe Gary was the first one to mention floppy discs lol.

 

[Gary02468]

You don't have to leave NFC on for SP. I have it turned off and it turns on when I bring up SP to pay and then shuts itself down once the transaction is done.

Thanks, I didn't know that. I'll give it a try.