Samsung will not tell us why /when the will update the SM-G930U

Did a bulletin go out? No really, I'm curious. How did they notify users of the G930U/G935U to not use Samsung Pay? A simple Google search for "don't use samsung pay unlocked s7" didn't really come up with any relevant results. Was it just a something posted by Samsung support forum staff? An email to unlocked S7 owners?

I've never seen a cell phone manufacturer put out a bulletin about security flaws. They put out updates that fix the flaws, along with a URL with details on what was fixed.


These updates have a plan against them. You're a software developer - you should know, things can change.

Of course. I've never been part of a project with a schedule like this though. My group once took a 6 month dev cycle to add a very long list of features to a 4 million line code base. That list of features were broken into 3 categories: Must have; Should have; and Gee that would be nice.

We removed almost 200,000 lines of obsolete code, added around 160,000 lines of new code, and touched / modified around 400,000 lines of code. We completed both the "Must" and "Should" lists of features, and implemented nearly 80% of the "Gee that would be nice" list. All done by the focus date, which was 2 weeks earlier than the commit date.

Our QA cycle finished on time with every single metric at least 30% better than that required for release. Since they had an additional 2 weeks to work, confidence on this release was higher than most.

So yeah, things can change. When they're well planned and committed to, and the team behind every phase of the project is competent, they usually change for the better.

Now, I think I'm remembering all those numbers right, but this was 8 years ago. Since then our company has become considerably deeper in it's management structure, and not a single release cycle has gone quite so smooth or been quite so effective, but we make our deadlines. Every time. It's not easy, and the stuff we deal with is exceedingly complex. But we do make commitments on our dev cycles, and we keep them. When a security issue is discovered, we build a patch and put it out for customers that need it. Any time a customer asks for an issue (regardless of whether it's security related) to be fixed for a supported version (2 years from release date, not 1), they usually get it within a week, and that's if we haven't already built the patch for that issue.

It seems like you're arguing that they don't have to meet a deadline because they never gave or committed to one. I'm arguing that with security issues, that's irrelevant. If our customers were made to wait 3 months for security fixes they had any reasonable expectation of getting, heads would roll. I can promise you that.

And as for having a plan against them, ALL our products have the same plan against them. If there's an issue, we fix it, regardless of what build of our product you have. We have made a number of small-release builds that made up a very small part of our install base, and we've never treated them like third-class citizens in our customer base.



Again with the price.

:confused: Is price not important? Funny, I always thought it was. I would actually like to understand why it's not relevant. Personally, I would have a very different set of expectations from something I paid $250 for than for something I paid $750 for, wouldn't you? Keep in mind, the price paid for this phone is more than a week's pay for many of the people that own it. I don't set my expectations of anything I buy in complete absence of price consideration.


I'm also of the opinion that while it's good to vent, it's good to air out frustrations to these OEMs in places like their support forums or on their social media channels, the absolute best way to make your voice heard is to speak with your wallet. If security is important to you and there is no real commitment to Android Security updates - or at least a commitment that's not acceptable to you because I don't know if quarterly or monthly is OK for you - you don't buy the phone. That $750 should be spent on a device that meets your highest priorities and we know historically, it's Google and BlackBerry on the Android side.

That's how we all wound up here ;)

Unfortunately, we all already bought the phone, and our requests for updates, information, and pretty much anything resembling a schedule has been met with deflection, misleading promises, and vague statements that given their track record, we can only assume mean what any normal person would think they mean.

Just to be clear, my first unlocked phone was the Galaxy Nexus. I eventually wound up with an S5, though that wasn't unlocked. The contrast between the two cemented my preference for unlocked devices - because the unlocked one was getting updates much more regularly than the locked one. Just as an aside, both devices were on the Verizon network. I remember the Verizon forums going nuts because everyone else with the S5 had the latest security fixes and OS updates months before Verizon customers. Another case where paying top dollar didn't get you top tier service - especially not now that T-Mo and Sprint have built out their networks. So I did as you are recommending here, and I spoke with my wallet. I moved to another carrier (www.ting.com). My service is every bit as good as it was with Verizon (better when I'm at my desk at work) and I'm saving more than $100 every month.

This whole update problem has shown me one thing: I was attributing the excellent experience I had with the GNexus jointly to Google and Samsung, and the annoyance I had with the S5 primarily to Verizon. That wasn't right. Samsung makes great hardware, but their software game is still crap. Verizon has recently shown it can light a fire under it's process too. So I'm going to keep on griping until either they get their $#!t together, or I move on to another phone. I've had this one 9 months now, and I usually get almost 2 years out of them. I think that's plenty of time for them to get their feet under them. And next time yes, I'm going to buy a Google phone (never cared for Blackberry). Maybe if Samsung get their act together between now and then, I'll bother watching them over the next couple years and consider them again.

Thing is, I can quietly just decide to take my money elsewhere next time, and hope Samsung gets it (which they wont), or I can make sure my reasons for doing so are plastered wherever it's appropriate, so my opinion has more of an impact, and Samsung is far more likely to understand why I'm taking my money elsewhere.
 
Yes, Unfortunately, all we Unlocked S7 Users can do,(and we are) Is let the World know that this is Unacceptable.
And Hopefully NO ONE will buy another Unlocked Phone (S8) till/IF this policy is rectified.. Maybe after spending all the money to send Unlocked S8 models to the USA, and NO One buys them, It will make them notice, and wonder why.
Wishful thinking I know, but we can try anyway . It definitely wont help if we do nothing!

Thanks,Dave
 
I bought a nexus 6p on swappa to be my backup to this awesome phone. After about a week i put my SIM in the nexus and tossed this junk into a drawer, only taking it out once in awhile for updates. Today i take it out and yet again, no Nougat. I've used Samsung exclusively since the day the Epic came out. Nexus 6p destroys this phone and it is a generation behind. Screw Samsung. My next phone will be whatever is after the Pixle....hopefully, waterproof,expandable and wireless charging. Samsung should be ashamed.
 
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Well everyone, I received this email this morning.
we will see what this week brings..

Dear David,

We sincerely apologize for your inconvenience.
Several unexpected conditions caused delays to planned N OS upgrade for certain models.
We are very sorry for the delay and we expect SM-G930U model to start receiving the upgrade starting in this week.
Thank you very much for your patience.

Very Respectfully,
Samsung Mobile Security Technologies
 
This is my phone, unlocked with cricket. Will I get an update?
 

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you should when any of us do. You have the USA unlocked model . It doesnt matter what carrier you are on.
SO YES hopefully this week as I was told...
 
the Model you have is the 930AZ ...that is a carrier phone... Not what this thread is about..you are Carrier dependant...
 
When I got mine last October Best Buy was out of the Sprint model but had the unlocked. I was told by them that usually updates come sooner than carrier versions. Hah! It still had some Sprint bloatware from BB setting it up but a lot were gone. Only thing I really liked was Sprint's version of Visual Voicemail which lets me read voicemails without having to access and listen. Can't get that with unlocked but Yes, I am still waiting for Nougat. Hopefully this week.
 
dwilli57, did you check the Google playstore? I got mine at Best Buy also, 930U and I am on AT&T
I downloaded the visual voicemail app from AT&T right thru google play.. works same as it does on AT&T 930A phones.
Thanks,Dave
 
Is anyone using the 930U on Verizon?
If yes, could you let me know how you got Verizon to whitelist the device? I am told a device's IMEI number needs to be in some sort of a whitelist in order for it to work on Verizon's network.

Thanks for your time.
 
I checked the device's IMEI number and was told (by an MVNO) that even though the device is unlocked, it can't be on the Verizon network. I thought having the US unlocked version meant it could run on any network.... trying to confirm from folks on this forum if the cust support rep was wrong...
 
Yes, all you need to work on Verizon, or any USA carrier is the model SM-G930U or G935U, and a SIM Card from your current active phone, plug it in and Reboot...This is exactly what I did on AT&T..I switch out my SIM from my Lumia 950 Windows phone...

The Only exception would be if your phone was listed as Stolen...then ALL US carriers check the same data base...if its on that list, wont work on Any carrier...
 
Thanks.
My phone is actually an ATT version (930A) and I am planning to flash it to 930U as soon as the nougat version comes along (this weeks...?). Hopefully, that works on Verizon.
 
I checked the device's IMEI number and was told (by an MVNO) that even though the device is unlocked, it can't be on the Verizon network. I thought having the US unlocked version meant it could run on any network.... trying to confirm from folks on this forum if the cust support rep was wrong...


I took mine to the Verizon store when I switched to them temporarily. Their system wouldn't accept the IMEI to actiave the account, so they just activated some random phone for my account first, then stuck the SIM card in the SM-G935U and it worked fine.

So yeah, I think if you already have a Verizon account you're fine if you just use the SIM card you already have. If not, then you need to ask a Verizon rep to activate some other random phone first, then use that SIM card.

The phone is 100% compatible with Verizon and is supposed to work, but since Verizon is Verizon, they of course don't make it that simple.
 
Just in case you were not aware, Nougat is now available via Smart Switch for US unlocked phones.
 
Just in case you were not aware, Nougat is now available via Smart Switch for US unlocked phones.

Only for the SM-G935U. Not yet available for the SM-G930, as far as anyone can tell.

And current guestimates put the OSA out another 3 - 5 days.
 

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