Say goodbye to headphone jack

[Habiib]

What I'm saying is Apple (the most greedy of them all) is setting a trend for trashing still useable tech. In this case the headphone jack and USB port. While Apple is doing it, doesn't mean everyone will do it, but some like Google will follow suit. Google is the least innovative and all they do is buy out other companies despite the brain power of many smart individuals from Silicon Valley. Korean and Chinese companies are raising the bar, but still lack the power and influence of users and marketing.

I honestly don't really care as because I never liked Apple and Google Pixel/Nexus anyway. They are too limiting especially with no headphone jack, no microSD, and minimal features. I just don't like seeing other manufactures copy catting Apple because they want to be famous like them (The Essential Phone for example, and HTC). I lost great respect for HTC, the only phone that had the chance to be number one, now pretty much a clone of Apple/Google phones. Could see why they failed and sold themselves to Google. Meanwhile, Samsung and LG is coming up real fast because they give us what we want (for the most part). Samsung killed the micro SD and it created an outage but then brought it back because that's what the people wanted.

Dang dude....this is just wrong on so many levels.

For example, companies have 86'd the headphone jack before Apple, thus based on your logic Apple is following them. Companies are copying Apple to be famous like them? Apple is still behind the 8-ball when it comes to innovations and features that have been introduced or improved upon by other manufacturers. There's plenty more that you're wrong about, but I'm not sure if you're really being serious, so I'll stop here.

 

[flyingkytez]

Yeah, we get what you think are your points... they're just wrong, which is why people are trying to help you understand the actual reasoning so that you can stop going on about the incorrect conspiracy theory reasoning. One of the purposes of this forum is to help educate people on topics to do with Android, etc. When some people spend most of their time spreading misinformation, it causes others to have to spend a lot of time correcting the record. When the people spreading the misinformation don't read the corrected information and just repeat the misinformation, that can be pretty frustrating.

What's so difficult to understand, removing the headphone jack is wrong. People use it and love it. Period. It's a marketing scheme. Of course Apple won't tell you the real reason why they're doing it.

 

[flyingkytez]

Dang dude....this is just wrong on so many levels.

For example, companies have 86'd the headphone jack before Apple, thus based on your logic Apple is following them. Companies are copying Apple to be famous like them? Apple is still behind the 8-ball when it comes to innovations and features that have been introduced or improved upon by other manufacturers. There's plenty more that you're wrong about, but I'm not sure if you're really being serious, so I'll stop here.

Did they improve the audio quality after removing the headphone jack?

 

[flyingkytez]

What's ironic about it? If you need a headphone jack as your top priority, choose a phone with a headphone jack. It's that easy. If consumers stop buying phones without them then manufacturers will reverse course. The market will ultimately decide.


The same was said when Mini-B switched to Micro-B. At least USB-C can be inserted in either direction unlike the other two. This makes connecting in low-light situations far easier, let alone the speed increase in USB 3.x data transfer.

The added cost of buying new cables will never go away. At least USB-C has a good chance of being the standard for a long time.

Not if you're a die hard, loyal fan. Some people will only and will forever use Apple. Eliminating the headphone jack gave them no choice but to accept it. Some people don't have a choice. My friend loves Apple iPhones so much, and he loves music. Eliminating the headphone jack gave him no choice because the only iPhones from here on don't have it. He had to buy an older iPhone just for now.

I understand the upgrade from USB C, that was a good choice because there was a better alternative. No headphone jack means no choice because nothing is there to replace it. Maybe they should include 2 USB C ports then. Factor in the cost of the device, it's just not logical such a common port being slashed.

USB C will be the norm. But the 3.5mm jack is STILL currently the norm and king. That's my point. It's a legacy port that still works perfect for everyone. My personal theory is they are doing it for business reasons, not because they came up with a new innovative tech to replace it. Still could provide USB C audio and Bluetooth while keeping it there.

 

[flyingkytez]

A bit dramatic, no? It's a headphone jack, they didn't take your kid here.

Also, you seem to be arguing both (a) USB port is not going away, while saying (b) it's the apocalypse because, yes, apple is taking it away ..

What I'm saying is people are accepting what these greedy manufactures are doing (Apple and Pixel). However, there are people that still want to keep it, in fact probably more than those who don't want it. It is not innovative to remove the headphone jack. Perfect example The Essential Phone. A number of Android phones are doing it now because for whatever dumb reason. They can get away with it because they are giant monster companies.

 

[chanchan05]

Did they improve the audio quality after removing the headphone jack?

Well there's a point in killing the headphone jack is that as long as it exists, developing better quality music via other methods like Bluetooth or the USB-C will be slower. Losing the headphone jack creates a 'need', which is better quality audio via a different approach. This makes progress in the development of other avenues faster.
Since the trend nowadays is to make things as simple as possible, that means less connectors and everything using as few connectors as possible or even wireless, this just gives it a jumpstart. Basically the move is 'ahead of its time'. Whether it's a good one or not remains to be seen, but so far, not too many people seem to be concerned, at least among average consumers who choose iPhones. The Android side is still firmly entrenched with the jack with Samsung and LG still having it. It's

 

[Aquila]

removing the headphone jack is wrong

This is your opinion, not a fact.

People use it and love it

The removal of the headphone jack does not prevent anyone from using any of their favorite headphones or accessories that use a 3.5mm por.

Period

I've said this a number of times, but have you ever noticed that whenever a person ends a sentence or a point with the word, "period" - whatever precedes it is almost always untrue?

It's a marketing scheme

This is a factually incorrect statement with absolutely no logical reason to believe it even could be true, let alone that it must be.

Of course Apple won't tell you the real reason why they're doing it

Other than, you know, they did.


Can you see how unhelpful it is to respond to a an attempt for you to consider the truth of the situation with nothing but the repetition of the false talking points you've been simply restating over and over?

 

[Aquila]

What I'm saying is people are accepting what these greedy manufactures are doing (Apple and Pixel). However, there are people that still want to keep it, in fact probably more than those who don't want it. It is not innovative to remove the headphone jack. Perfect example The Essential Phone. A number of Android phones are doing it now because for whatever dumb reason. They can get away with it because they are giant monster companies.

This is still the exact same fundamental misunderstanding of the entire situation that we've previously discussed. Please, take a few minutes to actually try to understand what the benefits are instead of just closing off and responding with vitriol and hyperbole.

 

[flyingkytez]

https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/07/applejack/

Phones without headphone jacks are here... and they're annoying AF

https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/1/14774640/headphone-jack-smartphones-mwc-2017

Apple did a horrible job of justifying the iPhone 7’s headphone jack removal – BGR



In summary, Apple removing the 3.5mm jack to gain royalty fees from 3rd party manufactures. Since Apple is the biggest influence in the market, other manufactures are following suit, most of them not offering a better alternative, getting away with it because "Apple did it too". The honest manufactures are still keeping the headphone jack because it's practical and can still be used for another 50 years. Not only does the headphone jack allow headphones to be plugged in, but it also serves as an additional accessory port (selfie stick shutter button, square card reader for small business owners, and other cool gadgets). Accessories are very cheap and affordable, and the tech works perfectly fine. Would Steve Jobs (father of smartphones/tablets/ipods) approve of this move? My opinion is no because Steve Jobs invented the iPod and he loved listening to music and wants to share his vision. If you're going to remove it, at least offer an additional port or something better than Bluetooth. I'm going to laugh my @$z off if/when they release an iPod or iPad without headphone jack. It's a dang media player for goodness sake and makes no darn sense to remove it.

 

[Aquila]

https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/07/applejack/
Phones without headphone jacks are here... and they're annoying AF
https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/1/14774640/headphone-jack-smartphones-mwc-2017
Apple did a horrible job of justifying the iPhone 7’s headphone jack removal – BGR

In summary, Apple removing the 3.5mm jack to gain royalty fees from 3rd party manufactures. Since Apple is the biggest influence in the market, other manufactures are following suit, most of them not offering a better alternative. The honest manufactures are still keeping the headphone jack because it's practical and can still be used for another 50 years. Not only does the headphone jack allow headphones to be plugged in, but it also serves as an additional accessory port (selfie stick shutter button, square card reader for small business owners, and other cool gadgets). Accessories are very cheap and affordable, and the tech works perfectly fine. Would Steve Jobs approve of this move? My opinion is no because Steve Jobs invented the iPod and he loved listening to music and wants to share his vision. If you're going to remove it, at least offer an additional port or something better than Bluetooth. I'm going to laugh my @$z off if/when they release an iPod or iPad without headphone jack. It's a dang media player for goodness sake.

It seems that you and all of your cherry picked sources all still misunderstand that 100% of what worked with a jack still works, in exactly the same way, without the jack except for, as far as we can tell so far, FM radio. It's interesting that several of those rags have also published articles since then stating that they're totally fine with it.

Wired headphones, still work. Card reader, still works. Selfie stick thing, still works. All of it. Because the functionality of the port is still there, it's just external instead of internal. Nothing changed on any of that stuff except for, so far, FM radio.

Third time. Nothing changed for all the stuff you're complaining about. Wired headphones still work. Exactly the same way. The choice is not limited to BlueTooth. There are 2 other options that you're completely ignoring. That's 4 options total, but your narrative is based on KNOWINGLY, and intentionally, pretending that there are only two options. When you are KNOWINGLY spreading false information, that's a problem.

4th time. Wired headphones still work.

Also, did you know that wired headphones still work?

 

[Mike Dee]

It seems that you and all of your cherry picked sources all still misunderstand that 100% of what worked with a jack still works, in exactly the same way, without the jack except for, as far as we can tell so far, FM radio. It's interesting that several of those rags have also published articles since then stating that they're totally fine with it.

Wired headphones, still work. Card reader, still works. Selfie stick thing, still works. All of it. Because the functionality of the port is still there, it's just external instead of internal. Nothing changed on any of that stuff except for, so far, FM radio.

Third time. Nothing changed for all the stuff you're complaining about. Wired headphones still work. Exactly the same way. The choice is not limited to BlueTooth. There are 2 other options that you're completely ignoring. That's 4 options total, but your narrative is based on KNOWINGLY, and intentionally, pretending that there are only two options. When you are KNOWINGLY spreading false information, that's a problem.

4th time. Wired headphones still work.

Also, did you know that wired headphones still work?

My question is will wired earbuds still work? Lol

 

[Mike Dee]

Seriously...the only thing you lose removing the 3.5 jack is the antenna capability to receive FM and not every phone has FM anyway. The only other minor inconvenience is charging and listening at the same and there are solutions for that. It's also a feature most of us most probably don't use.

 

[Aquila]

Seriously...the only thing you lose removing the 3.5 jack is the antenna capability to receive FM and not every phone has FM anyway. The only other minor inconvenience is charging and listening at the same and there are solutions for that. It's also a feature most of us most probably don't use.

Exactly, for 9 in 10 people nothing is changing.

 

[maverick7526]

Losing the headphone jack isn't really a big deal, and most people will adapt. I blame the insatiable need for skinnier and skinnier phones. I wouldn't mind a slightly thicker phone for a bigger battery

 

[maxburn]

Did they improve the audio quality after removing the headphone jack?

I think they actually did. On pixels we recently saw updates where they enabled apt-x and hd Bluetooth modes. I'm not sure but I don't think the pixels shipped with that.

 

[Mike Dee]

Losing the headphone jack isn't really a big deal, and most people will adapt. I blame the insatiable need for skinnier and skinnier phones. I wouldn't mind a slightly thicker phone for a bigger battery

Exactly on point....and those that don't want to adapt have other solid choices at the moment

 

[Eggmundo]

It's a boring topic now really. It's happening and it's gonna be widespread.

 

[modifier]

Just announced: USB-S connector. It's 4.5mm square with data pins along the outside perimeter, a 3.5mm TRRS jack in the center and IP69k rated for absolute water resistance.

Discuss.

 

[maverick7526]

Just announced: USB-S connector. It's 4.5mm square with data pins along the outside perimeter, a 3.5mm TRRS jack in the center and IP69k rated for absolute water resistance.

Discuss.

?? Huh?? What are you taking about?

 

[Aquila]

Just announced: USB-S connector. It's 4.5mm square with data pins along the outside perimeter, a 3.5mm TRRS jack in the center and IP69k rated for absolute water resistance.

Discuss.

Wow that'd be horrible. That's much bigger than the one that's already too big that is being removed because it is already too big.