Should we start being more critical of OnePlus?

[Almeuit]

It was personal.
Many criticisms laid at OP which are equally applicable to others, with the claim that they "need" the criticisms.
When there has been plenty already, despite claims otherwise.
There has been plenty, if you want to see it.
Anyone saying that it isnt there, or isn't sufficient is downright lying.

The forum alone has plenty in this section, but apparently those threads or posts don't exist.

Pick fault, sure.
But don't say that other people are not doing the same "adequately", for that is completely false.

I'm sorry.. what was personal? Just because someone doesn't share your opinion or if they simply doesn't like the phone doesn't mean they were doing some kind of personal attack on you.

 

[ByteMyAscii]

Three things to notice that I am starting to think may have gotten confused. First, this thread is over a month old. It was a month old before you joined the site. Second, I'm not the OP. My contribution was a list in the second post of things that, as a package, are making it difficult to view the OP5 as a legitimate flagship level competitor. Because the competition there is incredibly steep, not because the OP5 sucks. Third, I never said it was a bad phone or that I didn't like it. Those are things you read into it.

Personal preferences present on other phones not dismissed away as flagships.
That is why the arguments suck, so as a "package" it is flawed as an argument.
Has samsung phones not been flagships because of the lack of timely updates ? No.
And look a the criticism of front facing FPS - the very thing that one embedded in the screen would be.
You can't say a front facing FPS is bad, and then to tack on the fact that it is front facing AND visible that makes it bad suddenly.
Contradictory arguments, personal preferences claimed as facts, as to what does or does not define a flagship.
Lack of unique features, oh like the Dash Charge there has been a point of criticising, and the Alert Slider offering a specific functionality that others do not.
Perhaps everyone should stop going for dual camers, as they aren't a "unique" feature.

There is no confusion here.
All I said is that list sucks for many reasons.

I'm sorry.. what was personal? Just because someone doesn't share your opinion or if they simply doesn't like the phone doesn't mean they were doing some kind of personal attack on you.

And did I say they were personal against me ?
No.

Personal attacks on the brand, I did not mention it was aimed at me at any point.

All I pointed out was the list was biased, specifically cherry-picked to include as many as possible about OnePlus with some not being by any means unique to that brand.
And some of them even being outright lies, and rushed to the extent that the very thing that is likely to be present on future flagships is being criticised there, as well as being present on a current phone we would have a hard job not describing as a flagship.
A front-facing Fingerprint Sensor.

That list sucks for many reasons.
Are there things holding back the OP5 from being a flagship standard ? Yes, I think there are.
I just believe that list was wrong for many reasons.

OnePlus I think even dropped the flagship killer branding, so those complaining that it isn't something it is claiming to be should be doing so on something other than saying it isn't a flagship.
Because that isn't what they are now claiming.

 

[Aquila]

Personal preferences present on other phones not dismissed away as flagships.
That is why the arguments suck, so as a "package" it is flawed as an argument.
Has samsung phones not been flagships because of the lack of timely updates ? No.
And look a the criticism of front facing FPS - the very thing that one embedded in the screen would be.
You can't say a front facing FPS is bad, and then to tack on the fact that it is front facing AND visible that makes it bad suddenly.
Contradictory arguments, personal preferences claimed as facts, as to what does or does not define a flagship.
Lack of unique features, oh like the Dash Charge there has been a point of criticising, and the Alert Slider offering a specific functionality that others do not.
Perhaps everyone should stop going for dual camers, as they aren't a "unique" feature.

There is no confusion here.
All I said is that list sucks for many reasons.

And again, there's nothing contradictory and most of the things that you're arguing against are things that I have never said. Perhaps you could make some positions of your own instead of making up positions that you attribute to me.

Samsung has been widely criticized for their lack of timely updates. By millions of people. Dash Charge I went into some detail as to why that's more of a con than a positive and acknowledged that it's still better than QuickCharge 3.0 and earlier. Dual cameras definitely are not a unique feature. I think we agree there. The problem is, is that there is DEFINITELY some confusion ... because you're spending a lot of time complaining about things that you made up in your head and then typed out here. And yet you're attributing that crap to me, which is the very thing that I've repeatedly asked you not to do.

 

[ByteMyAscii]

And again, there's nothing contradictory and most of the things that you're arguing against are things that I have never said. Perhaps you could make some positions of your own instead of making up positions that you attribute to me.

Samsung has been widely criticized for their lack of timely updates. By millions of people. Dash Charge I went into some detail as to why that's more of a con than a positive and acknowledged that it's still better than QuickCharge 3.0 and earlier. Dual cameras definitely are not a unique feature. I think we agree there. The problem is, is that there is DEFINITELY some confusion ... because you're spending a lot of time complaining about things that you made up in your head and then typed out here. And yet you're attributing that crap to me, which is the very thing that I've repeatedly asked you not to do.

Nothing contradictory ?
Criticising front fingerprint sensor as being a problem, when present on another current flagship and by the nature of that statement is going to apply to ALL screen embedded fingerprint sensors in the future.
That is contradictory.
And outright lie or if you wish to call it something else, innacurate - like lack of unique features, one of which like the dash charge criticised and the specific implementation of the alert slider.

That list was simply wrong for many reasons, some outright incorrect or innacurate, some contradictions.

 

[Aquila]

Nothing contradictory ?
Criticising front fingerprint sensor as being a problem, when present on another current flagship and by the nature of that statement is going to apply to ALL screen embedded fingerprint sensors in the future.
That is contradictory.
And outright lie or if you wish to call it something else, innacurate - like lack of unique features, one of which like the dash charge criticised and the specific implementation of the alert slider.

That list was simply wrong for many reasons, some outright incorrect or innacurate, some contradictions.

But there's a whole lot of words here that YOU inserted and I did not. And it's ignoring the further explanations, which means you're making disingenuous arguments.

 

[ByteMyAscii]

But there's a whole lot of words here that YOU inserted and I did not. And it's ignoring the further explanations, which means you're making disingenuous arguments.

Copy and pasted the actual points in the list, no "inserting words".
That appears to be posted by you, correct me if wrong there as I saw no quote or attribution to anyone else

2) front facing FPS
- present on a current flagship, and taken literally is going to be fundamentally true with screen embedded sensors in the future.
- why is it a problem now holding the phone back, but it won't be in the future when screen-embedded will be just that, front facing
- why is a rear one not a problem, which it can't be if the front one only is

3) bad software
- what makes it bad
- near stock android, something praised by some on the pixel and the OP phones
- others such as Samsung following suit with a nearer-stock experience

9) there are no unique features that make it stand out from the competition
- dash charge
- alert slider with the 3 positions
- I would call those unique

That list simply has problems, that's all I tried to describe.
I came across very hostile, and I apologise for that.

Things I would actually agree on easily.

Lack of original design, at least not a near copycat of a popular competitor.
Personally I like the 3t design, the aerial lines being distinctive rather than a drawback.

Camera is sub-par compared to current flagships overall, can perform better than some in selected scenarios but not a good enough all-rounder.

 

[Aquila]

Copy and pasted the actual points in the list, no "inserting words".
That appears to be posted by you, correct me if wrong there as I saw no quote or attribution to anyone else

2) front facing FPS
- present on a current flagship, and taken literally is going to be fundamentally true with screen embedded sensors in the future.
- why is it a problem now holding the phone back, but it won't be in the future when screen-embedded will be just that, front facing
- why is a rear one not a problem, which it can't be if the front one only is

3) bad software
- what makes it bad
- near stock android, something praised by some on the pixel and the OP phones
- others such as Samsung following suit with a nearer-stock experience

9) there are no unique features that make it stand out from the competition
- dash charge
- alert slider with the 3 positions
- I would call those unique

That list simply has problems, that's all I tried to describe.
I came across very hostile, and I apologise for that.

This post here was the first attempt at adding details: https://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?t=810646&p=5859639&viewfull=1#post5859639

Hope that helps

 

[ByteMyAscii]

This post here was the first attempt at adding details: https://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?t=810646&p=5859639&viewfull=1#post5859639

Hope that helps

Fair enough.
My view on the capacitive buttons is like echoed earlier by someone else, a choice.
Plus it is screen estate taken up with on-screen only when visible.
To me it seems silly not to offer that option when there is a front-facing bezel with fingerprint sensor.
Seems a waste of space otherwise, unless it was utilised for something else, like front-facing speakers.
I can't say from experience with a lot of devices, but I have not had good experiences with buttons on screen that appear and disappear depending on the context, when I would rather have a button which is "just there" instead of an action required to make it appear.

On charging, I can't find clear information which describes if like dash charge, USB-PD handles it from the power supply and not the phone, and therefore avoiding the heat generation that is avoided with OP's version.
Does USB-PD solve that, or does it like Quick Charge require a throttling down of performance while charging.

On software updates and security those arent by any means unique to OnePlus, and not even uncommon amongst flagship phones or brands.
In their favour at least, OnePlus did seem quick to get out a fix for the emergency calls issue.
And part of the update issue isn't unique to OP for the very reasons that Google's Project Treble exists.

 

[anon(661246)]

I've moved on from op. I have the 3t and only wanted to get the O5 because of the improved camera that was hyped. It was a let down but I still liked the phone. I love oxygen os, it's so lightweight yet you can customize it. the phone is incredibly fast and charges far as well.

The final straw was them mounting the display upside down and op shrugged if off as it's natural.

anyways I spent a little more money and got the us version of the htc u11 6gb ram and 128gb of storage. I wouldn't be opposed about going back to op if they get it together

 

[Woody1995]

Considering how far OP has come in comparison to other companies that have been around and have a lot more tech at their disposal to even be critical of them in comparison to well seasoned veterans of the mobile phone market is obsurd.

 

[Aquila]

Considering how far OP has come in comparison to other companies that have been around and have a lot more tech at their disposal to even be critical of them in comparison to well seasoned veterans of the mobile phone market is obsurd.

I believe the point was that because of how "new" (they're not) and how small they were, people were excusing some of their missteps when they wouldn't give other OEM's the same pass. So the thought is maybe now it is time for holding them up to the standards of the market they're wanting to compete in... it's not about giving anyone else a pass.

 

[Woody1995]

I believe the point was that because of how "new" (they're not) and how small they were, people were excusing some of their missteps when they wouldn't give other OEM's the same pass. So the thought is maybe now it is time for holding them up to the standards of the market they're wanting to compete in... it's not about giving anyone else a pass.

In comparison to the likes of Samsung, Apple, OP are a new company. And I understand that they should be stepping up the mark, but you can't expect them to be as innovative as the larger companies because they purely don't have the cash to splash on R&D like the others!

 

[Aquila]

In comparison to the likes of Samsung, Apple, OP are a new company. And I understand that they should be stepping up the mark, but you can't expect them to be as innovative as the larger companies because they purely don't have the cash to splash on R&D like the others!

I agree fully with both of your points.

 

[danmerezeanu]

I totally agree. OnePlus already has a history of a few years and (good) products. I think at last we can ask them to keep the good things from the previous phones in the new models (if you ask me, I prefer the way OnePlus 3T is built comparing with the actual OP5.

 

[danmerezeanu]

I totally agree with @Aquila. OnePlus already has a history of a few years and (good) products. I think at last we can ask them to keep the good things from the previous phones in the new models (if you ask me, I prefer the way OnePlus 3T is built comparing with the actual OP5.

 

[Woody1995]

I agree fully with both of your points.

Thanks, I wonder what new features they could potentially bring to the table to give them an edge other than just the price for what specs you get!

 

[coolio1]

I was happy with the OnePlus 3 so i ordered OnePlus 5, but immediately returned it when I noted that it is not that much better then the OP3. Now, these guys refuse to give me a refund because they claimed the phone was damaged. The phone was in great condition when I returned it. I love the OP3, but these guys are crooks and would do anything shaft you of a refund/or not honor their warranty.

 

[anon(661246)]

I was happy with the OnePlus 3 so i ordered OnePlus 5, but immediately returned it when I noted that it is not that much better then the OP3. Now, these guys refuse to give me a refund because they claimed the phone was damaged. The phone was in great condition when I returned it. I love the OP3, but these guys are crooks and would do anything shaft you of a refund/or not honor their warranty.

What are you going to do?

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

What are you going to do?

Well, going by this post from a different thread currently directly below this one:

agree. oneplus's customer service is horrible. i had a OP2 that warranty was voided because there was a scratch on the back of the phone that had nothing to do with the phone shutting down by itself.

Assuming they're being truthful... What they're going to do is buy a Oneplus 6... Maybe it's time to learn from your mistakes? If they're real...

 

[Kayza]

If you consider that they are part of OPP it's a bit different.

The key thing here, though, is not innovation per se, but quality and features. Like, if their camera is not as good as the competition, it's not as good and it shouldn't be excused away.