so video chat or no?

Yes, yes, I did that with my Optimus as well. I joked about carrying around a pocket mirror to clamp onto the back of the phone so I could use it for video chat... But it goes back to the original dilemma of: Is this worth upgrading to.

For current EVO owners, the new CPU and keyboard, not to mention pocketability size, might be attractive. But losing a feature that you know you used to have feels weak.

For current lower-end Android users with decent performance (such as the Optimus), this really offers next to nothing that I can't already do. My optimus is more pocketable than this, can also reach into the same ballpark in performance, has more convenient keys (real buttons that press, not to mention a dedicated camera and voice action key), an accessible microSD slot that does not require battery removal... and NO PREMIUM DATA CRAP.

fine, I want a keyboard. But not badly enough to raise my monthly bill. No FFC means no new functionality. Color me unimpressed, especially for a device with details that were kept so well a secret for so long! I can't believe we're only learning the specs NOW.

And before anyone goes off on "well, I don't use video chat anyway, so...", do us a favor and CAN IT. The topic of this thread is about video chat. Its a premium feature and I WANT IT IF I'M PAYING FOR PREMIUM DATA.

/end rant

Doubt ur Optimus will stack up to this thing in performance... The Second gen chipset is beastly... Overclockable to 1.7 - 1.9 *Albeit the battery life is krap* Its a beast that alone is enough to attract some of the guys from the EVO
 
WTF is that dot then?! cause the notification LED is definitely in the ear piece, i've seen it. any clues? It almost looks like the was supposed to be a camera there, then they changed their minds...
 
Doubt ur Optimus will stack up to this thing in performance... The Second gen chipset is beastly... Overclockable to 1.7 - 1.9 *Albeit the battery life is krap* Its a beast that alone is enough to attract some of the guys from the EVO

I think you mean the battery is crap when overclocking, because on its own this chip gets better battery performance than the original snapdragon.

I suppose it isn't fair to compare the performance of the Optimus to the Shift, but what I was trying to say is that in more general terms, the Optimus is closer in performance to the EVO/Epic than the budget phones like Transform, Hero, Moment, ZIO (ugh!) etc.

In my own testing side-by-side with an OpenGL frame rate test, the Optimus S actually rendered more fps than the original EVO, and without resorting to overclocking (this thing apparently screams when you overclock, but I haven't felt the need to- its fast enough).

Now, granted most things are faster with the premium phones, but the Optimus is at least in the ballpark (unlike every other non-premium phone), and can even outperform the current offerings at specific tasks, which has made it hard to justify an upgrade so far.

Here, I was interested in the Shift because of the keyboard and FFC, but it looks like the only option on the table with that is still the Epic. And I don't particularly like the Epic. So... Boo. :(
 
Doubt ur Optimus will stack up to this thing in performance... The Second gen chipset is beastly... Overclockable to 1.7 - 1.9 *Albeit the battery life is krap* Its a beast that alone is enough to attract some of the guys from the EVO

Hmmm....I run at 1500mhz on my myTouch 4G and I get great battery life (see the battery life thread HERE. setCPU is my friend. :)

I think you mean the battery is crap when overclocking, because on its own this chip gets better battery performance than the original snapdragon.

I suppose it isn't fair to compare the performance of the Optimus to the Shift, but what I was trying to say is that in more general terms, the Optimus is closer in performance to the EVO/Epic than the budget phones like Transform, Hero, Moment, ZIO (ugh!) etc.

In my own testing side-by-side with an OpenGL frame rate test, the Optimus S actually rendered more fps than the original EVO, and without resorting to overclocking (this thing apparently screams when you overclock, but I haven't felt the need to- its fast enough).

Now, granted most things are faster with the premium phones, but the Optimus is at least in the ballpark (unlike every other non-premium phone), and can even outperform the current offerings at specific tasks, which has made it hard to justify an upgrade so far.

Here, I was interested in the Shift because of the keyboard and FFC, but it looks like the only option on the table with that is still the Epic. And I don't particularly like the Epic. So... Boo. :(

It outpaces the EVO because it has a lower res screen with the same GPU. I also know that it can keep up in some areas with the newer Snapdragons (I've seen the benchmarks of an OC'd Optimus S).
 
WTF is that dot then?! cause the notification LED is definitely in the ear piece, i've seen it. any clues? It almost looks like the was supposed to be a camera there, then they changed their minds...

the dot next to the earpiece is a light/proximity sensor...it turns on the backlight for the keyboard when theres less light, dims or brightens the screen and turns the screen off when you put the phone close to your ear so you dont hit the on-screen buttons by accident
 
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