Sudden Battery Drain

[humpagardengnome]

Unfortunately the easy solution is allow users to remove VLA by a patch, and then once it's fixed they can re-include it in another OTA.

That makes perfect sense, so that solution will cross their minds about 2 months from now. They still haven't patched the "boot loop", which is the only reason I thought they'd even issue an update in the first place. Since that is still in limbo, at the VLA is keeping it company. I wouldn't put $$ on a quick fix.

 

[JaySinCT]

I understand the allure of apps like JD b/c they offer features/options that are not native in android. So it seems like you have more control of what your phone does. However, it's smoke and mirrors, apps like JD are both resource & battery hogs, just take a look at the permissions it needs granted to perform. Much like VLA, JD starts at boot, which means it is draining juice when the phone is on.. Uneeded b/c the android OS is designed to be it's own JD, hence the modes in settings that can be set to suit your power needs. So, adding a second app to monitor, what the other is already monitoring. It's a bit foolish to think the minimal extra features at your disposal are saving you power. What you think your saving is actually getting wasted b/c they're background running services, you can't control. App permissions are a big factor in power saving & consumption that you need to be aware of when looking at saving juice. An app like JD would be very beneficiall if you could turn off all the common settings in the OS that did the same thing.

I understand the logic you're using, but don't know that I can say it is holding true based on what I'm seeing. Without JD turned on, and over the course of a few hours and the phone asleep, there is some amount of battery drain. With it turned on and the phone asleep (all night), the phone was at the same percentage it was when I checked before going to bed. Now perhaps there are some other settings in base level OS Energy Management I need to go and check, but it seems the up front interface, ease of use, and the logic that it is at least purported to use (and the fact it's free) seem to make sense. I know it's not a purist attitude, but just indicating what I'm seeing here.

Thanks for the reply..

Jay S.

 

[JaySinCT]

About as standard as a response gets when allaying user concerns. Basically means quit calling us we have our fingers crossed we can fix what ails you.

Maybe, maybe not... As I said, the time I spent with support included Verizon initiating a 3 way call with HTC where I also walked the HTC tech rep through what I was seeing.. pointed them to the VLA update ratings, forums about the issue, etc. Have you called the issue in to VZW (if you're experiencing it)? If not, why not? I'm getting daily updates directly from a Verizon tech rep. (sometimes multiple messages in a day), so, like the JD discussion, I'm not seeing things in exactly the same light as you.

Hope this helps..

Jay S.

 

[JaySinCT]

Unfortunately the easy solution is allow users to remove VLA by a patch, and then once it's fixed they can re-include it in another OTA.

Or perhaps provide an update to VLA in the market for download (depending on how isolated to VLA it may or may not be). Would be nice if it is something that easy to isolate.

Jay S.

 

[wythme2]

I called Vz 2 nights ago about the battery drain and a different issue on toggling from mobile data to wifi... Meaning that when I turn mobile data off to just have wifi only, when I try to turn the mobile data back on, I have to do a restart on my phone to reconnect to 4g. the tech rep said they had no reports on either issue, and she supposedly called htc and they said these were not known issues. Currently waiting on my replacement phone today, because that was their suggestion.

 

[JaySinCT]

I'm curious to see if the new phone you get gives you all, part, or none of the same issues. I'm not 100% convinced there isn't something to the phone itself. Some folks are saying there are no issues with OTA, some never (I don't) had a problem with the phone going to sleep, etc. Seems the issues are a little random.

Jay S.

 

[humpagardengnome]

I understand the logic you're using, but don't know that I can say it is holding true based on what I'm seeing. Without JD turned on, and over the course of a few hours and the phone asleep, there is some amount of battery drain. With it turned on and the phone asleep (all night), the phone was at the same percentage it was when I checked before going to bed. Now perhaps there are some other settings in base level OS Energy Management I need to go and check, but it seems the up front interface, ease of use, and the logic that it is at least purported to use (and the fact it's free) seem to make sense. I know it's not a purist attitude, but just indicating what I'm seeing here.

Thanks for the reply..

Jay S.

I quit using third party power managers on my DX when they moved Froyo>GB. It completely killed the battery. At that time, I read articles from Duarte and team Google in response to peoples complaints about their conflicting use in Android. I'm sure they've been tweaking JD for quite awhile now so I'm sure it's been tuned for use in GB over time. It may be helpful but it doesn't negate the fact the OS is already monitoring many of the same things JD is now doing at the same time concurrently. JD takes it a few steps further and can help in other areas which is great but it can't negate the fact both are running concurrently in services. 2 of them burning up fuel, just isn't being efficient in my book. If you want to see battery savings, unlock, root and debloat your phone.

 

[humpagardengnome]

Maybe, maybe not... As I said, the time I spent with support included Verizon initiating a 3 way call with HTC where I also walked the HTC tech rep through what I was seeing.. pointed them to the VLA update ratings, forums about the issue, etc. Have you called the issue in to VZW (if you're experiencing it)? If not, why not? I'm getting daily updates directly from a Verizon tech rep. (sometimes multiple messages in a day), so, like the JD discussion, I'm not seeing things in exactly the same light as you.

Hope this helps..

Jay S.

I've had this same scenario play out a few times over the years. Most recently, when I reported the boot loop bug.(They still haven't addressed this as even being an issue, yet). I called a csr who had no idea of any reports of the issue, by VzW or HTC. I had to take their hand and tell them where to go on xda and ac. forums to see reports of it. (This was already widely reported to VzW by the time I got hit by it, nothing was noted) I even told them there were fixes and was told that they were not fixes. They called a HTC tech., not aware I was on the line, csr explained the issue, tech said he was unaware of any issue, then she left the call and I talked with him. Then I explained it to him and this pinhead said they were aware of the issue and were working on a fix. Maybe I've grown jaded from experience but I take everything they say with a grain of salt til I see otherwise. BTW, no I'm unaffected by any of the purported OTA issues. I have control of what Verizon gets to put in my phone once I leave a store with it. God bless, AOSP.

 

[JaySinCT]

I quit using third party power managers on my DX when they moved Froyo>GB. It completely killed the battery. At that time, I read articles from Duarte and team Google in response to peoples complaints about their conflicting use in Android. I'm sure they've been tweaking JD for quite awhile now so I'm sure it's been tuned for use in GB over time. It may be helpful but it doesn't negate the fact the OS is already monitoring many of the same things JD is now doing at the same time concurrently. JD takes it a few steps further and can help in other areas which is great but it can't negate the fact both are running concurrently in services. 2 of them burning up fuel, just isn't being efficient in my book. If you want to see battery savings, unlock, root and debloat your phone.

Clearly something to entertain at a future point (rooting). At this stage, I'm just about a week into the Rezound.. I may let just a little more of the "newness" wear off first.

Jay S.

 

[JaySinCT]

I've had this same scenario play out a few times over the years. Most recently, when I reported the boot loop bug.(They still haven't addressed this as even being an issue, yet). I called a csr who had no idea of any reports of the issue, by VzW or HTC. I had to take their hand and tell them where to go on xda and ac. forums to see reports of it. (This was already widely reported to VzW by the time I got hit by it, nothing was noted) I even told them there were fixes and was told that they were not fixes. They called a HTC tech., not aware I was on the line, csr explained the issue, tech said he was unaware of any issue, then she left the call and I talked with him. Then I explained it to him and this pinhead said they were aware of the issue and were working on a fix. Maybe I've grown jaded from experience but I take everything they say with a grain of salt til I see otherwise. BTW, no I'm unaffected by any of the purported OTA issues. I have control of what Verizon gets to put in my phone once I leave a store with it. God bless, AOSP.

Somewhat the whole point behind the Nexus and its somewhat "purer" build.. No overlay ala Sense, not the Bloatware scenario, etc. I debated long and hard between the Nexus and Rezound.. Nexus is a great phone, but it had its warts as well, and I'm just not 100% fond of the really really thin phones. Just seems a little fragile (which may all be a state of mind I realize).

Thanks..

Jay S.

P.S. Any pointers on best rooting steps on Rezound? Certainly want to read up.. I know I can google it, but thought you might have some "you don't want to do this" helpful hints.

 

[xxfallacyxx]

On the JuiceDefender situation it automates the power savings controls more than the stock settings do. The downside is that it takes power to do this. That being said, in my own experiences mindful control of what is happening on your phone is the biggest determining factor on phone battery life outside of OS power efficiency.

When it comes to OS power efficiency, ICS > GBread.

Rooting and removing bloat will yield excellent power savings. There's a reason why I'm getting 16+ hours on a full charge with use, data/wifi on all day, bluetooth audio in the car and using my headphones playing music during work. I have screencaps, I've posted them in various threads.

Like I've said before, when I decided to give JD the benefit of the doubt and try it again on my Rezound, despite it claiming that it bumped my battery life by 2.15 times, I noticed 2-3 hours LESS battery life than prior to JD.

So I'd just say JD is on an individual experience basis. Probably doesn't help anyone who is rooted and removed the bloat apps.

 

[humpagardengnome]

Somewhat the whole point behind the Nexus and its somewhat "purer" build.. No overlay ala Sense, not the Bloatware scenario, etc. I debated long and hard between the Nexus and Rezound.. Nexus is a great phone, but it had its warts as well, and I'm just not 100% fond of the really really thin phones. Just seems a little fragile (which may all be a state of mind I realize).

Thanks..

Jay S.

P.S. Any pointers on best rooting steps on Rezound? Certainly want to read up.. I know I can google it, but thought you might have some "you don't want to do this" helpful hints.

Same boat for myself, as well. I never thought I'd pass on the GN. It just didn't feel like the perfect fit for me. I tried the Rez and loved it. Little worried about it being locked down for awhile early on but that got worked out quite, qiuickly, thankfully. Really haven't had any qualms of note, since. As far as pointers, if you were smart enough to pick the best device to fit your personal needs, the first time, w/out exchanging or questioning your decision. Even though, I've had limited interaction w/ you. Just from these posts you've written today, you seem quite intelligent. I have no reason to believe you'll have any issue understanding unlocking and rooting on the Rez when your ready. Best advice I can tell you is to read up on what it entails, get familiar with the different methods before you dive in. There's alot of good people floating around to help you when your ready to dive in. Stick w/ stock till you know the ins and outs of the device. Then head to the Rezound hack & roms thread on the main page to get started on the path. Then maybe hit up xda-devs forum for further info. on custom roms, but get started here before you go over there. It's a bit more technically oriented over there. Wish I could've been here in AC forums to learn first, I felt ridiculously green over there in xda-devs for a long time. Your probably a much quicker learner than I am.

 

[wythme2]

Ok so I have had my replacement phone for 24 hours and I can say that it looks like battery life is better I have gotten almost 14 hours on battery with moderate usage which is far better than the 6 hours I got before. This is with the update.

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