TB w/4G vs Iphone 4S w/dual 3G

[Johnly]

Verizon network is the best

sent from my Thunderbolt....and the thunder rolls !

You are great (don't let anyone tell you otherwise) but an iPhone on AT&T will take advantage of the duel antenna. I would STILL rather have a Verizon edition! Nothing like ruling the air!

 

[Andrew Ruffolo]

I would target the iphone as the superior device compared to the TB. Only the sgsII and prime can even dream running ios smooth.

Have you tried ditching sense and running CM7? I'm guessing not.

As a previous poster has said the Near 4G speeds could only apply to GSM phones. Even though the phone is dual banded, you'll never be able to use GSM in the US (and not likely in Canada or Mexico either as they have pretty extensive CDMA networks as well). You will be stuck with CDMA Rev.A speeds... which are still decent 3G speeds... except on the iPhone. I had an iPhone 4 for 3 weeks. The 3G speeds were lackluster at best... never getting above 1.3MBps download. I used to get over 2 sometimes on my POS HTC Hero. I average 2MBps on my Thunderbolt... and my 4G speeds... well yeah, there is nothing the iPhone 4S has on board that can touch LTE other than the wifi card (which also didn't have the range of my Thunderbolt). I never drop down below 15MBps on LTE and have peaked at 36MBps by our airport.

 

[Johnly]

Have you tried ditching sense and running CM7? I'm guessing not.

As a previous poster has said the Near 4G speeds could only apply to GSM phones. Even though the phone is dual banded, you'll never be able to use GSM in the US (and not likely in Canada or Mexico either as they have pretty extensive CDMA networks as well). You will be stuck with CDMA Rev.A speeds... which are still decent 3G speeds... except on the iPhone. I had an iPhone 4 for 3 weeks. The 3G speeds were lackluster at best... never getting above 1.3MBps download. I used to get over 2 sometimes on my POS HTC Hero. I average 2MBps on my Thunderbolt... and my 4G speeds... well yeah, there is nothing the iPhone 4S has on board that can touch LTE other than the wifi card (which also didn't have the range of my Thunderbolt). I never drop down below 15MBps on LTE and have peaked at 36MBps by our airport.

I have not! Good point sir ,very good POINT!!!!

 

[Andrew Ruffolo]

I have not! Good point sir ,very good POINT!!!!

Your battery will thank you.

 

[blaque37]

I have always loved the iphone. Man they run well. Nothing is more optimized than an iphone an its apps. That said, android is still a baby, but growing up fast! My buddies old iphone is smooth like the sgs2. You better believe it will haul, they always do. Your kids will be happy. Apple knows what they are doing. They have a district advantage, full control, equaling a user experience that is unmatched.

Well I wonder if the iPhone
experience can't be matched: why are you here like a closet android fanboy?

 

[tcorkum]

I think you're mis-understanding the dual radios in the phone. In the US, the "4g-like" speeds only apply if you purchased it from AT&T and are running it on their network. You'd get theoretical speeds of up to 14.4Mbps (maybe 3-5Mbps in real life) on their HSDPA network. Being that you purchased it from Verizon, you will be using the cdma radio and be limited to the EVDO Rev A speeds of up to 3.4Mbps (1-2Mbps realistically). Either way LTE on the Thunderbolt will blow the doors off of any speeds you'll see on the 4S.

You are correct in my mis-understanding. I was having problems with how this would work on CDMA and it doesn't. Potentially it would work on ATT but I am sure that if ATT would allow that support they would be charging more for it. The other thought is that they have already committed to rolling out 4G so why would they customize something for a non exclusive phone.

Thanks for the clarification.

I do like the look of the phone and know alot of folk who have them but they dont seem to be having much fun with the phone. Or being able to do alot of work with it.

I know that I will not be jumping from the Android ship any time soon. However I am still on the hunt for the next great phone.......after my contract runs out this time.

Thanks,

 

[anon62607]

EVDO-A's theoretical speed is actually 3.1 mbps, not 3.4. Just to be pedantic.

 

[jackmei2]

from apple's website:

iPhone 4S is the first phone to intelligently switch between two antennas to transmit and receive, so call quality is better. It also doubles the maximum HSDPA data speeds to 14.4 Mbps.8 Which means faster connections, faster loading and reloading, and faster downloads. And iPhone 4S is a world phone, so you can use it almost anywhere. Whether you’re a GSM or CDMA customer, you can roam GSM networks in 200 countries around the world.

HSDPA is only on AT&T (as has been said many times in this thread), so verizon won't see the benefit of this. but the good news is, this phone is a world phone.

now my one question is, if you don't like vzw with the ip4S, can you just cancel your contract and hop over to AT&T with this phone? if so... that's awesome

 

[sjf707]

I like the iPhone but honestly my TB is just as smooth as the iPhone 4 and way faster.
smooth like me

 

[Johnly]

I like the iPhone but honestly my TB is just as smooth as the iPhone 4 and way faster.
smooth like me

keep telling yourself that. J/K! In that new show Terrinova, the actors use a TB. Kinda cool, but they use if for calls only in the flick? Wonder why?

 

[wildman]

Well I wonder if the iPhone
experience can't be matched: why are you here like a closet android fanboy?

A user knows what works better for them.... This doesn't make then a fanboy it just means they think for themselves..

 

[hankhank96]

Unless you bought these 4S phones on AT&T, your children will not be seeing the increased 3G speeds promised at the unveiling. Those increased speeds are promised on AT&T's HSPA+ network, and not on Verizon's 3G CDMA EvDO Rev. A network. On Verizon, you'll be seeing speeds identical to the Verizon iPhone 4. The ThunderBolt's speeds will be about 10 times that of the iPhone 4S's.

 

[ongre10]

The laws of physics are at play here. The phone will be working with one site and one feed. Now it would be nice to plug into two feeds but that would be very inefficient. They explicitly said the two antennae were for transmit and receive that alone could make it faster by a little bit The new device could be more efficient at processing data etc, but you are limited by the speed of data no matter what It will be interesting to see the benchmark stuff when the phone is out in the real world... I don't mean to argue or put anybody or anything down by these statements, just to express my observation.

 

[Jude526]

I am not an iphone person. I am really enjoying the Android experience and HTC.....The Sense UI had the Incredible and now the Thunderbolt. There is no way I am giving up the customization abilities and other things I can do on my Thunderbolt. There are always going to be people who prefer the iphone and there will be new users too. I have to laugh though. My brother finally left AT&T because Verizon came into their area two years ago. He said he wanted the iphone when Verizon got it and he never got it.
He had BB and like me, was ok for awhile, but made the jump to Android. He said now he can't think about switching to the iphone because he really likes his Droid X. And he had said numerous times he was getting the iphone ! Just goes to show...........This is what makes the world go around. If we all liked the same things, life would be very boring. I have played with the iphone. It isn't for me.

 

[recDNA]

No matter how fast and smooth the iphone is access to files (by me) is limited. I prefer the simple storage and access format android affords. Still no flashplayer for iphone right?

In theory a windows phone would be my preference but I tried an htc windows phone b4 switching to moto droid and it was horrible. What I really want is a pocket computer that makes phone calls and android is the closest thing to it right now.

 

[gdbjr]

Have you tried ditching sense and running CM7? I'm guessing not.

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Have they gotten the GPS bugs worked out yet? What about NFL mobile? Last time I tried it neither was working, and that was a deal breaker.

 

[BrianTufo]

I think you're mis-understanding the dual radios in the phone. In the US, the "4g-like" speeds only apply if you purchased it from AT&T and are running it on their network. You'd get theoretical speeds of up to 14.4Mbps (maybe 3-5Mbps in real life) on their HSDPA network. Being that you purchased it from Verizon, you will be using the cdma radio and be limited to the EVDO Rev A speeds of up to 3.4Mbps (1-2Mbps realistically). Either way LTE on the Thunderbolt will blow the doors off of any speeds you'll see on the 4S.

+1 Oh how many idiots will buy the 4S thinking they have 4G now. I can't wait for an iPhone owner to tell me about their 4G so I can run a speed test against them and when they hit 5Mbps down and get all happy I'll show them my 26Mbps down and make them feel horrible lol.

 

[r007]

+1 Oh how many idiots will buy the 4S thinking they have 4G now. I can't wait for an iPhone owner to tell me about their 4G so I can run a speed test against them and when they hit 5Mbps down and get all happy I'll show them my 26Mbps down and make them feel horrible lol.

1/3 of iPhone users already think they have 4G... And this is before the iPhone 4S was released.
One-Third of iPhone Users Mistakenly Think They Have 4G - Mac Rumors

 

[FrankXS]

1/3 of iPhone users already think they have 4G... And this is before the iPhone 4S was released.
One-Third of iPhone Users Mistakenly Think They Have 4G - Mac Rumors

Yeah. From my experience, this is prolly the same 1/3 (or more) who think MS Office comes with a Windows PC.

Funny thing about the iPhone; so much about the iPhone is "bragging rights", that it probably doesn't really matter if they have 4G or not. As long as they think they do

-Frank

 

[Forgetful]

My bolt is easily as s"mooth" as an iphone4. Maybe I just know how to run it.

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