The iPhone SE 2020 basically just killed the Pixel 4a and other value flagships...

[Mike Dee]

What I quoted is Apple's explanation of why they throttle iPhones with degraded batteries. It's literally not a battery saver post.

The price of Apple Care is kind of irrelevant since it's an extra cost - in a sense that if you compare another device's protection plan, you'd have to factor that cost in to. One I'm trying to make is that relative to any other OEM, getting support for an Apple device is miles ahead of anyone else. In most instances, you would have to mail in your device and wait for that process.

And actually- let's bring the price down. I ended up looking it up.

https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/service/battery-power

Even for the second gen SE, out of warranty battery replacement is $50.

Assuming 5 year update support (and let's be honest, Apple is only getting better with length of support). Maybe in year three, the battery degrades to the point where there is an actual performance decrease. $50 and it's fixed. Less if you do it yourself.

$400 for a phone. $50 for a battery swap. You'll be able to use a secure, up to date device for less than $100 a year.

I personally don't even care that much about OS updates. Sure, you can use an outdated Android phone as long as you want as long as it still powers on, but there's no denying that what Apple does is an incredible value that no other smartphone maker can match today.

I guess service depends on where you live. In the US there are plenty of shops that can do that work. As an example Ubreak I Fix service centers are all over the place in the North East U..S. I dropped off my Note 10 for a broken screen replacement and had it back in 3 hrs after they ran all their post repair diagnostics. Most times I've dealt with Apple I've had to leave the device a few days.

 

[the_boon]

I appreciate what Apple's done here with the new SE even if it's not for me. It's not lazy.

I find it funny people refer to the SE 2020 as "new" when it's a recycled design of a recycled design.

It's nothing more than an iPhone 8 with an iPhone 11 processor.

They didn't even try to slap an extra 200-300mAh of juice in the thing.

If that isn't lazy, then I don't know what is.

 

[vzwuser76]

It looks like AppleCare for the new iPhone SE is only $79. And just because you don't live near an Apple store or an authorized repair center, doesn't mean that the majority of people don't too. The general population has better physical access to Apple support than any other phone maker. AFAIK, all Best Buys are Apple Service Providers too.

With regards to third-party repair, it kind of depends on the situation. And when we're talking three years in, that's already out of warranty anyway.



If an iOS feature is tied to new hardware, of course it won't make it in an iOS update to old hardware.



Battery size in an iPhone isn't an apples to apples compariosn to battery size on an Android phone. Relative to capacity, it seems iPhones get way more out of what's available. Battery life is a better metric, IMO.

Bezels - I already iterated that in previous posts. Knowing that the new SE isn't made for consumers like us, bezels just aren't that big of a deal. The iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 being top ten in volume in 2019 prove that to me.

Display size? Not everyone wants or needs a large screen. And quality? The LCD's Apple uses are some of the best - no one really complains about those.

Headphone jack? Probably the vocal minority complains about that. And it's not like Android OEMs are immune to that criticism too.

Number of cameras shouldn't make or break but I get it. Pixel used to get crucified for only having one (rear) camera. But the quality of the shots were still top notch. Type of camera? I mean the Pixel 4 got planned for having a telephoto instead of an ultra wide. But in the market we're talking about here probably doesn't care that the SE has a single camera setup. They probably don't even care that the Pixel has a telephoto instead of an ultra wide.

The negative comments are toxic. But that's the world we live in. I appreciate what Apple's done here with the new SE even if it's not for me. It's not lazy. It's quite brilliant. Not everything is a battle. The new SE existing won't make the upcoming 4a a bad pick.

I know that many people live near an Apple store. Your previous comment seemed to ignore that not everyone does.

I said many features get tied to hardware, not all. It also seems like the most sought after features are only available on newer devices, like they're trying to tempt people to upgrade.

But from what I recall, the iPhone 8 wasn't anything special in the battery department.

Perhaps not, but for a lot of people, it makes their phone look dated. Not something particularly encouraging on a newly purchased device. Especially when it's next to a 3 year old Samsung and it still looks older. Even non techies can recognize if something looks old or not.

A big part of smartphone use for the average consumer is media consumption, watching videos or looking at the pictures you just took. A lot more of a compromise on a display that's an inch smaller than an Android phone with the same physical footprint. LCDs are fine, but I'd argue still not as good as an AMOLED. That's also something even an average Joe can see.

I'm not saying the SE inst a decent device, but I also don't think it's the second coming like some here are.

As for your next comment, I'm sorry but every time I see someone use TRIGGERED in a response, it fills me with the urge to slap 'em with a freshly caught mackerel. Just sayin'.

 

[anon(50597)]

I find it funny people refer to the SE 2020 as "new" when it's a recycled design of a recycled design.

It's nothing more than an iPhone 8 with an iPhone 11 processor.

They didn't even try to slap an extra 200-300mAh of juice in the thing.

If that isn't lazy, then I don't know what is.

It doesn't need a bigger battery. It will be efficient and not meant for power users.

 

[anon(50597)]

I think some of you are upset, or whatever you want to label your emotion, because you think some of us are calling this a great device. We're not, we're calling it great value for those who don't want or need a top tier phone. That's it.

 

[customshopkv1]

I guess service depends on where you live. In the US there are plenty of shops that can do that work. As an example Ubreak I Fix service centers are all over the place in the North East U..S. I dropped off my Note 10 for a broken screen replacement and had it back in 3 hrs after they ran all their post repair diagnostics. Most times I've dealt with Apple I've had to leave the device a few days.

I've had screen replacements on the 6+, 7+ and X all done by Apple. These have all been paid for out of my pocket as I've never purchased Apple Care. All were done within an hour of my scheduled appointment, AZ and CA. They managed to fix my 7+ which got a dumbbell dropped on it at the gym. You could even see a convex rounded shape on the backside of the phone from the weight.

 

[anon(50597)]

I've had screen replacements on the 6+, 7+ and X all done by Apple. These have all been paid for out of my pocket as I've never purchased Apple Care. All were done within an hour of my scheduled appointment, AZ and CA. They managed to fix my 7+ which got a dumbbell dropped on it at the gym. You could even see a convex rounded shape on the backside of the phone from the weight.

You didn't get dumbbell coverage?

 

[the_boon]

We're not, we're calling it great value for those who don't want or need a top tier phone. That's it.

Is it a greater value than getting a decent used Xr for around the same price?

But most people are too scared to buy used, I get it

 

[bembol]

I think some of you are upset, or whatever you want to label your emotion, because you think some of us are calling this a great device. We're not, we're calling it great value for those who don't want or need a top tier phone. That's it.

Agreed. This is the problem with a android user, hence all this spec talk and comparisons.

I can't lie because it's one of the reasons why I upgrade, I want the latest (specs) even though I know I can't tell the difference and here's a great example. I had the 11 Pro Max, sold it and now using the XR. Honestly, except for the display and batter life I can't tell the difference. Base on MSRP here in Canada, the difference is over $700.

Some I guess just hate the fact that Apple is finally competing Who knows?

 

[stevenjb2020]

With the 2020 Virus financial impact globally, I don't feel people will be too interested in purchasing the latest greatest expensive mobile device.

 

[Mike Dee]

Agreed. This is the problem with a android user, hence all this spec talk and comparisons.

I can't lie because it's one of the reasons why I upgrade, I want the latest (specs) even though I know I can't tell the difference and here's a great example. I had the 11 Pro Max, sold it and now using the XR. Honestly, except for the display and batter life I can't tell the difference. Base on MSRP here in Canada, the difference is over $700.

Some I guess just hate the fact that Apple is finally competing Who knows?

That's generalizing a bit. I know plenty of people that look at specs regardless of Android or IOS.

 

[Bkdodger1]

I'm seeing deals already with credits bringing the phone in at $200 ...there are plenty people that have same carrier don't mind the credits for the additional savings ...

 

[Ry]

I'm seeing deals already with credits bringing the phone in at $200 ...there are plenty people that have same carrier don't mind the credits for the additional savings ...

That Walmart pre-order deal is insane. AFAIK, it's an instant discount, not a bill credit deal. $200 for a 64GB iPhone SE with AT&T or Verizon activation (plus activation and taxes of course). You could potentially use it for a year and sell it and get your money back.

 

[Ry]

The iPhone SE 2020 basically just killed the Pixel 4a and other value flagships

Is it a greater value than getting a decent used Xr for around the same price?

But most people are too scared to buy used, I get it

I think so. The SE will probably take better photos than the XR and it will be supported longer. You'll get more value out of the SE IMO. Tough choice either way though.

And if things continue the way they're going right now with masks and face converings, a Touch ID iPhone SE would be easier to use than a Face ID iPhone XR.

 

[mustang7757]

I'm seeing deals already with credits bringing the phone in at $200 ...there are plenty people that have same carrier don't mind the credits for the additional savings ...

 

[Bkdodger1]

That Walmart pre-order deal is insane. AFAIK, it's an instant discount, not a bill credit deal. $200 for a 64GB iPhone SE with AT&T or Verizon activation (plus activation and taxes of course). You could potentially use it for a year and sell it and get your money back.

Yeah I think it's a winner .. plenty people will jump on that one ..

 

[Javier P]

Also- I think people are upset at the thread title, which is just a cut and paste of the title of the Android Central article that I linked in the original post.

TRIGGERED

Nah, i don't think people are upset or "triggered". By the way, triggered??

There were many articles to link and many different ways to title your thread if what you want is to talk about how good the SE will be. You decided to do it this way and it seems that you agree with the title and main claim. That's fine. Other people, like me, think that it's completely unfounded or even ridiculous, considering the few things that we know and the many that we will only know in a few weeks.

We all can have different opinions, that's all.

 

[Morty2264]

My mother doesn't either, I gave her my P20 Pro and no way I was going to leave it stock. LOL

She was getting upset trying to learn the Gestures, asking can't I just have all the apps on the screen. LOL

This is how addicted I am, I try to get my family and friends to install Nova, customize their phones.

If I didn't get her my phone and kept the Samsung A5, no question I would've gotten her this SE.

That was so nice of you to give your P20 Pro to your mom! How is she liking it now?

I know my mom wouldn't have a use for things like gestures, launchers, and all that stuff. She just wants to text, call, use Internet and social media, and take pictures.

 

[Mike Dee]

Nah, i don't think people are upset or "triggered". By the way, triggered??

There were many articles to link and many different ways to title your thread if what you want is to talk about how good the SE will be. You decided to do it this way and it seems that you agree with the title and main claim. That's fine. Other people, like me, think that it's completely unfounded or even ridiculous, considering the few things that we know and the many that we will only know in a few weeks.

We all can have different opinions, that's all.

I think people in general feel the need to pick a side. I don't feel that way and I don't think any device will kill an another at this point in the market place. I do think competition in features and price is a good thing for all. As I sometimes say.."buy what you like, like what you buy".

 

[Morty2264]

I think people in general feel the need to pick a side. I don't feel that way and I don't think any device will kill an another at this point in the market place. I do think competition in features and price is a good thing for all. As I sometimes say.."buy what you like, like what you buy".

I think I'm beginning to mellow at the thought of "picking a side"... I'm starting to respect Apple more and more. Since the bulk of my family has Apple products, it's hard for me to justify disliking the product (if I chose to do so).

I prefer Android because it currently meets my needs. But years ago, I had preferred BlackBerry because it met my needs. So who knows what will happen in the future?

We're smartphone enthusiasts - that encompasses all of smartphone manufacturers when you think about it; because as it was mentioned above, competition is an awesome thing in this market.