I'm not upset about it, nor should you be. You bought the phone knowing it's on 7.0 and it'll occasionally be behind on patches. If that's not a priority for you, no reason to be upset at all. You're reading a whole lot into statements that you think I said but that I did not make.
The phone WE want vs. the phone THEY tell us we want...
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I'm not upset about it, nor should you be. You bought the phone knowing it's on 7.0 and it'll occasionally be behind on patches. If that's not a priority for you, no reason to be upset at all. You're reading a whole lot into statements that you think I said but that I did not make.
Samsung and Apple are continually fighting for first place on market share. That's all in, all their devices. In the realm of flagships, Apple is winning by a lot. Is a lot of that marketing and/or people that don't care about the same things we nerds go nuts about? Yep, probably. But the fact of the matter is that more people want iPhones than those who want Samsung flagships. That doesn't mean Samsung is doing anything wrong, at all. It means that people have different priorities. But it does mean that we can say that Samsung is NOT making the flagship that "the people" want. They're making a flagship that some, or even a lot of people want. But more people are going in other directions than are buying from Samsung. That's the data part of it.
New updates mostly never bring in new problems. There's a select few who do get them, but they are addressed quickly, and Apple does fix them quickly. The updates always bring in new security features, which is the most important thing on a mobile device that stores our credit/debit card numbers. I'm not sure how you could even justify NOT getting timely updates.
They promised us the new batteries wouldn't have any issues and they did. That's why there was a second recall.
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Boy, that's very good mental gymnastics you got going on there. I am very happy you like the S8. But to imply that folks who use and like the iPhones don't know what they like and fall for some kind of Vulcan mind control marketing is absurd. The iPhone is a solid, phone that will last for years and you have the same performance from day one to day 1001. If Apple marketing is that effective maybe Apple can start marketing the end of the country clownish Trump administration. Do you think Apple can convince you to not vote for Trump next time?.....
I'm referring to flagships because we're talking about the S8/S8+ vs the iPhones. Both are flagships, that's the only space in which those two companies compete against each other.
Samsung has been doing a great job with monthly security updates. The only issue I had with it is that they missed several of them at the end of 2016/beginning of 2017 for the S7/S7 Edge - but that was probably because they were intended to just roll it into Nougat and then the Nougat updates were delayed. Samsung is the only oem outside of Google and Blackberry that's taking it seriously.
Security updates also come in OS updates from time to time, especially in iPhones.
BTW, I had the S7 edge on Verizon, and at the end of January, I was still on the October security patch, which was unacceptable.
That is definitely not the intention. I respectfully offered a counter point, which I feel was completely valid, and then the person I just quoted and yourself came in swinging. A few people like to create imaginary requirements for someone to be able to have a discussion. They don't exist, never have and never will. I was totally happy with just discussing the actual topic until for some reason a couple people made it personal, rather than just countering the points made.
where did anyone say you couldn't post here? There is a theme to your posts that is all that is being pointed out here. You complain about Samsung phones and that they don't make the phones you want. You continuously posting something negative about Samsung and admitting you do not want their phones. That is what was pointed out. That is great that you have so many posts. But it is really not relevant to what I pointed out. Kinda reinforces it to be honest.
I am not derailing this thread at all....you were giving your opinion and so was i
Your opinions are off topic, as they are about my posting habits, and not about the subject of who Samsung and Apple devices are intended to appeal to, etc.
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Agtree with that! I had the S7 edge on T-Mobile and it was current on the security patches. I think some carriers are slower than others.
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Nobody said Samsung wasn't making any money. You said Samsung was beating Apple in sales, which is just not correct and I provided a link that showed that.
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If you are talking to me, sorry but I didn't vote for him.
When you try to ridicule my comments about how in this world a company can make people pay $3500 for a laptop that can't cost them $800 to make then whatever you say lose a lot of credibility. Tell me how is possible that more than 90% of the people I know with iPhones have Apple TV instead of a Roku? A device cheaper and by far the best streaming device available, with tons of additional channels and features plus 4K and HDR, and yes, you can easily cast or stream to it just like with an Apple TV. I can tell you, because it has Apple's name on it.
Nobody is saying that if you buy an iPhone is because you don't know what you are doing, everyone has his own reasons, but when you hear people talking about how superior an iPhone is when they have never even touch an Android phone on his hands, is simply pure ignorance, and you may call it otherwise but to me just shows how brainwashed people are that they don't even try something because it's not from an specific brand or OS. When we say Apple has a Cult, yes, they have.
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In terms of the edge display, Samsung is damned if the do (copying Apple), and damned if they don't (just make flat displays forever, just like everyone else).
They finally have their own design, that guess what? Isn't going to work for everyone (just like anything else).
Still, I applaud them for going all in on something that is uniquely theirs.
Let everyone else copy.
They finally have their own design, that guess what? Isn't going to work for everyone (just like anything else).
Still, I applaud them for going all in on something that is uniquely theirs.
Let everyone else copy.
The both work together. Samsung Electronics is making money hand over fist - as that is the company that makes displays, batteries, SoC (they manufacture many of Qualcomm's chips), boards, etc, etc. Samsung Mobile is the sub that sells Samsung phones, and they're also making good money, but their revenue is less than Apple's because nearly all iPhone sales are $650 or more and most of Samsung's sales are less than that. Apple also gives a way less free stuff.
This ^^ They've definitely carved out their niche and are now finally able to start developing it out.
Brand identification is definitely part of it. Another part of it is that they still have somewhat of a corner on the enterprise market. "Smartphone" for several years was synonymous with iPhone. People legitimately used to say they had a Samsung iPhone. And we can never forget that the vast majority of consumers don't care at all. To a lot of people, it's just a phone. They don't care about any aspect of it, at all, except sometimes the color.
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