This is ridiculous Verizon!
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Please refrain from getting personal. We are tech junkies well most of us no use in fighting eh.
Who says what is considered 4g? Last time I checked all of the big 4 and even MetroPCS have 4g. ITU says it counts as 4g HSPA+ is officially 4g.
Also I live in a T-Mobile 42mbs down city. So eventually when 42mbs compatible phones come out we'll be blazing.
The IEEE technically determines that, although it was the 3GPP that set the guidelines for 3G. HSPA+ is officially just an add on backhaul protocol to the 3G GSM technology started out with GPRS and EDGE, although T-Mobile advertises it as 4G since they will not have the bandwidth for LTE.
Yes, GPRS and EDGE were technically 3G according to the 3GPP's standards, however AT&T only advertised them as 2G technology.
You notice T-Mobile carefully avoids competing with Verizon on speed because they know they do not hold a candle to LTE. Furthermore, it says something about a company's desperation when T-Mobile has to advertise "theoretical" speeds, whereas Verizon advertises realistic speeds based upon a loaded network. Thats why Verizon says 5-12 Mbps (which is what it will be once LTE has a higher load), while people are getting as high as 30 Mbps (since the network has a low load on it). T-Mobile's current main HSPA+ is the 24 Mbps "theoretical", which is what they advertise, whereas people get around 2-7 in *most* places.
Point is, the off topic claim is a cop-out. A good portion of what makes a handset good is the network its running on. That is why more people will own a Verizon device over, say, an AT&T device, unless AT&T has something so exclusive and different that merits the crowd (ala iPhone). Otherwise, people will go with Verizon because they would rather have a phone that does not drop calls. Take all the hex-core processors and trillion pixel 3D resolution in the world and it will mean nothing if you can't make a bloody phone call. *That* is why Verizon is the biggest company in the USA. 100 million customers, realistic advertising, and NOT the best devices. Something has to be going on there...
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We are not talking about the networks because it causes to much conflict. And I must ask you to follow my rule of not bringing up the network again because it might incite someone and a flame war will only get my thread closed and I do not want that to happen so please handset and manufacturer talk only.
The bottom line to all of this is that Verizon still has the best network, and the current feature set of these upcoming phones isn't really that impressive. I mean will you really notice the difference from everyday use from dual core than what the Thunderbolt has? Is dual core even optimized for the Android OS yet? A better quality screen would be one of the few reasons to upgrade any time soon. I'm on a one year contract, and will be hard pressed to justify buying a phone that's just marginally better. Other than a major breakthrough in battery technology, I don't see what all the fuss is about for these upcoming phones. There will always be something better on the horizon, but how much better is the question.
Dual Core is optimized for Android now but the apps will have to be written to take advantage of the extra core.
Not sure how that rumor kept being perpetuated throughout the community but it's simply false.
The info is readily available but I have copied and pasted a little snippet.
Android being based upon the rock solid Linux kernel supports multiple CPUs, but there has been a question as to how Android would take advantage of this capability. Using the dmesg utility they were able to determine that the Linux kernel within Android booted with Symmetric Multi-Processor (SMP) enabled allowing full access to both CPUs. Also Android is natively multithreaded with such components such as the UI running in separate threads. Android can therefore take immediate advantage of multi-core platforms such as Tegra 2 when it comes to things such as multitasking and UI responsiveness. To see performance benefits at the application level the apps themselves will of course have to be written to take advantage of multiple processors
Exactly what I've been saying to multiple threads, around 2 years ago the LG Dare was the best they had! VZW has come a longs way in a short period of time, no one built high end CDMA phones for Verizon! OG Droid started it all, it had some help from BB Storm. I was happy with my Storm1, Storm2, DX and now Tbolt. All purshased on release day. Enjoying speeds of up to 25mbps in Glendale, AZ. Don't bother to use WiFi at home anymore.
Ok, if its about MANUFACTURERS then why did you start it as a topic bashing Verizon?
If you want to have a manufacturer discussion, then start a topic about HTC versus Motorola versus Samsung. Pros and Cons, etc.
Personally, I think you just realized you did not come up with a well founded enough argument and had to revise it. I even matched you point for point about the handsets you mentioned, since of all the phones mentioned only a couple of them are above Verizon-equated models, LTE aside. That was ignored. Instead, you decided to focus on why T-Mobile and AT&T had 4G, then decided to say not to talk about networks. You started the topic about networks when you put Verizon in the topic. I'd advise two things:
1. Make a topic regarding manufacturers, not mentioning a network provider.
2. Completely research all sides of your argument without bias. Yes, you claim to, but what else you have said aside from that claim contradicts you claim to objectivity.
Personally, if there was any reason to lock the thread, it would because you started a topic that was irrelevant to the title.
How am I bashing them by stating they need better phones? And I meant lets talk about carriers manufacturers and. I'm trying to stay away from the network so we don't fight over what 4g means. So before you make such accusations read the entire thread or all my posts at least.
And since you have been asked multiple times before I respectfully will not comment back to you after this. It seems your only objective is to discredit me and my thread.
Also I am unbiased. The only thing that's contradicting is my complete politeness when you have only been rude. But I have to Respond intellectualy to even the most unfriendly of people.
And since you have been asked multiple times before I respectfully will not comment back to you after this. It seems your only objective is to discredit me and my thread.
Also I am unbiased. The only thing that's contradicting is my complete politeness when you have only been rude. But I have to Respond intellectualy to even the most unfriendly of people.
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I have always been a Verizon supporter, but if they don't fix their broke network and all the recent data problem I may become a T-Mobile customer very soon...I rely on data way too much for it to constantly be down, and 5 trouble tickets later my problems still persist...no issues at all until about 2 months ago...on all 5 of my device and most coworkers as well
People can have their dual core. I get DL speeds up to 15mbps on LTE, nobody even matches that. TMobile and At&t has 3.5G HSPA+ and the fastest Ive seen is 6-8mbps and Sprint's 4G WiMax only works if you live in an open field cause 2.5Ghz bands are allergic to buildings.
My Charge works fast and is very snappy.
My Charge works fast and is very snappy.
Great phone, but plagued with software issues.
Just a local variant of international phone (see later)
Don't know why this phone is on here since the only thing really "special" about it is it's size.
HTC and Tmobile are well known partners. It's not uncommon for Tmobile to get the first variant of HTC's new product.
Good phone. But sprint has some special deals with Google right now, wouldn't be surprised if Mountain view helped push this phone through.
Now, I don't know if you're a troll or not, but for the sake of argument I'll pretend you're being serious here. First, you need to consider the following:
1. ATT and Tmobile use a technology that is almost identical to the tech used in europe and several other developed countries (GSM). Sprint and Verizon use CDMA which is mainly only found here and in several asian markets, though those markets typically have different requirements when it comes to phones making a device that is cross compatible almost impossible. Because of this, GSM carriers will almost ALWAYS get high end devices first unless Sprint/Verizon pay insane amounts of money for an "exclusive" (See original Droid, Droid X, and Evo line)
2. Companies pay BIG MONEY to get exclusives. It's unlikely that you'll see the infuse on any other carrier, just like you don't see ATT with a Droid X. That's just how the industry works. Additionally, some companies seem to partner well together (like Tmobile and HTC) so they tend to launch their best devices on that network first.
3. As has been stated countless times, LTE is a brand new technology. NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD is pushing out a network like this right now. That's not fanboyism, that's just fact. In fact, the European press thought that the initial rollout was just a marketing ploy, and that there was no way that many people could be covered. Yes, places in europe are showing off "100MBPS" LTE connections but these are often in SINGLE CITIES in small countries where it would take as many towers to boast "national coverage" as a US carrier has to put up in New Jersey.
Verizon LTE is also fast. Stupidly fast, and while it is possible to get fast speeds with HSPA+ and Wimax, they are not as fast as LTE (at least consistently). This isn't PR speak, this is the conclusion of every national speed test conducted by a third party.
They are investing billions in this rollout. What does this mean? It means less money to pay for devices to get them exclusive. But LTE also requires certain build requirements. It currently destroys battery life since battery tech for phones hasn't improved in well over a decade. The radio is also huge, meaning a phone like the sensation would require an entirely different design in order to fit it.
And it's not like they are sitting still with phones either. It's just that they're not putting out the phones YOU want.
The Droidx2 has dual core tegra and a qHD display.
The Xperia Play has Gingerbread, and an almost stock experience. It's also getting Minecraft earlier than other Android devices.
The ThunderBolt, Charge, and Revolution, while not dual core, are still insanely good phones as every review has pointed out. They are also "4G".
The Droid Bionic will be dual core, qHD, and LTE, but because LTE is a new tech it's not ready yet.
Now, this isn't to say that Verizon isn't resting on their laurels. I think they are a bit (as their plan changes seem to prove) but to say that they're doing "Nothing" with new phone tech is being blind to the market itself. No, it's not the sensation, or a "3D" phone, but that doesn't mean they're not there.
They have new phones coming out. They have super high end phones coming out. They're just not the phones "YOU" want to have, and you're pissed because Verizon (as they always have historically done) is choosing to develop the network first before they overload it with eye candy.
^And all that came from someone who is seriously looking at either sprint or Tmobile for my next device. I'll be the first to point out when Verizon is doing something boneheaded, but you can't complain about the "lack of cool phones" unless you look at the market as a whole.
Everything you said was brilliant, but this is the key here! CDMA has come a long way in the last 2-3 years though!
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I only read thru a few pages. But verizon is now in bed with crApple, so they don't/can't release a top of the line phone to compete with sales of the new iphone when it comes out or even the old iphone.
If verizon only cares about iphones, then I will be taking my business elsewhere!!
LTE speed is nice and all, but i can live with "4g" from T-Mobile or Sprint.
If verizon only cares about iphones, then I will be taking my business elsewhere!!
LTE speed is nice and all, but i can live with "4g" from T-Mobile or Sprint.
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