This is ridiculous Verizon!

[VideoEngineerAJS]

I only read thru a few pages. But verizon is now in bed with crApple, so they don't/can't release a top of the line phone to compete with sales of the new iphone when it comes out or even the old iphone.

If verizon only cares about iphones, then I will be taking my business elsewhere!!

LTE speed is nice and all, but i can live with "4g" from T-Mobile or Sprint.

If you only read through a few pages then you probably didn't see my speedtest results (unless you have your settings like I do where this thread only has 4 pages for me).

LTE is much faster than anything else out there.

 

[INK]

Great phone, but plagued with software issues.


Just a local variant of international phone (see later)


Don't know why this phone is on here since the only thing really "special" about it is it's size.


HTC and Tmobile are well known partners. It's not uncommon for Tmobile to get the first variant of HTC's new product.


Good phone. But sprint has some special deals with Google right now, wouldn't be surprised if Mountain view helped push this phone through.

Now, I don't know if you're a troll or not, but for the sake of argument I'll pretend you're being serious here. First, you need to consider the following:

1. ATT and Tmobile use a technology that is almost identical to the tech used in europe and several other developed countries (GSM). Sprint and Verizon use CDMA which is mainly only found here and in several asian markets, though those markets typically have different requirements when it comes to phones making a device that is cross compatible almost impossible. Because of this, GSM carriers will almost ALWAYS get high end devices first unless Sprint/Verizon pay insane amounts of money for an "exclusive" (See original Droid, Droid X, and Evo line)

2. Companies pay BIG MONEY to get exclusives. It's unlikely that you'll see the infuse on any other carrier, just like you don't see ATT with a Droid X. That's just how the industry works. Additionally, some companies seem to partner well together (like Tmobile and HTC) so they tend to launch their best devices on that network first.

3. As has been stated countless times, LTE is a brand new technology. NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD is pushing out a network like this right now. That's not fanboyism, that's just fact. In fact, the European press thought that the initial rollout was just a marketing ploy, and that there was no way that many people could be covered. Yes, places in europe are showing off "100MBPS" LTE connections but these are often in SINGLE CITIES in small countries where it would take as many towers to boast "national coverage" as a US carrier has to put up in New Jersey.

Verizon LTE is also fast. Stupidly fast, and while it is possible to get fast speeds with HSPA+ and Wimax, they are not as fast as LTE (at least consistently). This isn't PR speak, this is the conclusion of every national speed test conducted by a third party.

They are investing billions in this rollout. What does this mean? It means less money to pay for devices to get them exclusive. But LTE also requires certain build requirements. It currently destroys battery life since battery tech for phones hasn't improved in well over a decade. The radio is also huge, meaning a phone like the sensation would require an entirely different design in order to fit it.

And it's not like they are sitting still with phones either. It's just that they're not putting out the phones YOU want.

The Droidx2 has dual core tegra and a qHD display.

The Xperia Play has Gingerbread, and an almost stock experience. It's also getting Minecraft earlier than other Android devices.

The ThunderBolt, Charge, and Revolution, while not dual core, are still insanely good phones as every review has pointed out. They are also "4G".

The Droid Bionic will be dual core, qHD, and LTE, but because LTE is a new tech it's not ready yet.

Now, this isn't to say that Verizon isn't resting on their laurels. I think they are a bit (as their plan changes seem to prove) but to say that they're doing "Nothing" with new phone tech is being blind to the market itself. No, it's not the sensation, or a "3D" phone, but that doesn't mean they're not there.

They have new phones coming out. They have super high end phones coming out. They're just not the phones "YOU" want to have, and you're pissed because Verizon (as they always have historically done) is choosing to develop the network first before they overload it with eye candy.


^And all that came from someone who is seriously looking at either sprint or Tmobile for my next device. I'll be the first to point out when Verizon is doing something boneheaded, but you can't complain about the "lack of cool phones" unless you look at the market as a whole.

Why would I be pissed about Verizon's line up if I'm already picking up a Sensation for T-Mobile?

 

[INK]

So? I haven't seen a G2X in person yet, but I know it exists.

That excuse is similar to the one heard on Apple sites when the Droid first launched and people were like "I haven't seen one yet, and all my friends have iphones."

Personal Experience does not a national trend make.

You misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that I haven't actually goteen to see a charge yet. From what I hear it's a great phone.

 

[nerdydesi]

I am also frustrated and Verizon's lackluster line-up, especially compared to T-Mobile, which seems to be wiping the floor with it. Its even worse since Verizon is the largest nationwide carrier and T-Mobile is the smallest, and may not even exist a year from now! David is kicking Goliath's butt!

For instance, T-Mobile is getting the Samsung Hercules, HTC Sensation, HTC Double-Shot, already has the LG G2X. So T-Mobile has four dual-core, "4G" phones. This is more than any carrier currently, especially Verizon. It totally blows away what Verizon has now and is planning in the future, they currently only have the Bionic (and who knows when that will come out!). I also like T-Mobile's stance of having stock devices or at least those with minimal bloat whereas Verizon is the complete opposite.

Verizon does largely make up for it with their unlimited and faster 4G data (for now at least, I hope I'm grandfathered!), vs. T-Mobile's throttled data after passing their caps.That is very important to me, I am a huge data hound (especially YouTube), I hardly use voice nor texting.

 

[dwt10]

Think about it, do you really need dual core that bad? We were all fine when everyone had a 550mhz in their droids. Everyone was fine when we all had 1ghz. You guys are really over rating all these. Ok, do you really need HD pinball games on a tiny 4inch screen? I honestly think, if you were to run the same apps on a droid x1 and thunderbolt, you wouldnt notice the extra ram unless your trying to run like 40 apps. Your guys are really over rating all these things and not taking them for granted.

And guys, this t-mobile and att and sprint "4g" is really just 3G+. LTE is the closest thing to 4g right now. Real 4g is like 40MBPS

 

[VideoEngineerAJS]

Think about it, do you really need dual core that bad? We were all fine when everyone had a 550mhz in their droids. Everyone was fine when we all had 1ghz. You guys are really over rating all these. Ok, do you really need HD pinball games on a tiny 4inch screen? I honestly think, if you were to run the same apps on a droid x1 and thunderbolt, you wouldnt notice the extra ram unless your trying to run like 40 apps. Your guys are really over rating all these things and not taking them for granted.

And guys, this t-mobile and att and sprint "4g" is really just 3G+. LTE is the closest thing to 4g right now. Real 4g is like 40MBPS

Supposedly theoretical 4G was classified as 100Mbps until they decided HSPA+ was 4G. Quite frankly I don't know why you would base it strictly off of just speed, I mean LTE is a true next generation technology. I showed a bunch of speedtests in this thread using my Thunderbolt where I got between 40Mbps and 50Mbps.

 

[INK]

Supposedly theoretical 4G was classified as 100Mbps until they decided HSPA+ was 4G. Quite frankly I don't know why you would base it strictly off of just speed, I mean LTE is a true next generation technology. I showed a bunch of speedtests in this thread using my Thunderbolt where I got between 40Mbps and 50Mbps.

When do you think the other networks will get LTE? (I can't stop people from talking about network so meh.) Save for AT&T though.

 

[Mortiel]

I am also frustrated and Verizon's lackluster line-up, especially compared to T-Mobile, which seems to be wiping the floor with it. Its even worse since Verizon is the largest nationwide carrier and T-Mobile is the smallest, and may not even exist a year from now! David is kicking Goliath's butt!

For instance, T-Mobile is getting the Samsung Hercules, HTC Sensation, HTC Double-Shot, already has the LG G2X. So T-Mobile has four dual-core, "4G" phones. This is more than any carrier currently, especially Verizon. It totally blows away what Verizon has now and is planning in the future, they currently only have the Bionic (and who knows when that will come out!). I also like T-Mobile's stance of having stock devices or at least those with minimal bloat whereas Verizon is the complete opposite.

Verizon does largely make up for it with their unlimited and faster 4G data (for now at least, I hope I'm grandfathered!), vs. T-Mobile's throttled data after passing their caps.That is very important to me, I am a huge data hound (especially YouTube), I hardly use voice nor texting.

Best phones and cheapest prices of any national carrier, yet T-Mobile still cannot stop hemorrhaging customers fed up with poor service. Funny how that works, isn't it?

 

[famouzstarz#AC]

There's a HUGE difference between all of the other companies and Verizon and I've said it a thousand times before, but people still don't seem to understand.

AT&T and T-Mobile are using HSPA+ which is an older technology and hence a well known entity with new generation radios.

Sprint is using Wimax which is not an old technology, but the radios are in at least their 2nd generation phase and probably going to 3rd gen.

Verizon is using LTE and all of the phones are using 1st gen radios and they aren't a well known entity yet. By this time next year Verizon will probably be blowing the competition away by having the most advanced and largest network with the best performing phones.

couldn't have said it any better! tmobile 3.5g system, sprints wimax is junk really will be outdated by this time next year.

 

[Mortiel]

How am I bashing them by stating they need better phones? And I meant lets talk about carriers manufacturers and. I'm trying to stay away from the network so we don't fight over what 4g means. So before you make such accusations read the entire thread or all my posts at least.

And since you have been asked multiple times before I respectfully will not comment back to you after this. It seems your only objective is to discredit me and my thread.

Also I am unbiased. The only thing that's contradicting is my complete politeness when you have only been rude. But I have to Respond intellectualy to even the most unfriendly of people.

I am only rude to those whom attempt to feed on and spread harmful half-truths, or otherwise contradict themselves. You will learn quickly I respect those that, even if completely wrong, can still come up with an intelligent justification for an ill-informed claim, or outrightly admit to being wrong. I do this on a regular basis if I am proven wrong, or otherwise make an ill-informed statement.

So then, lets test your unbaised claim then, shall we? No cop outs. No dodging. Respond to this from the opposite side. I want you to sell me on Verizon's handsets compared to the ones you listed in your original post. What are their key features that set them apart? Why should I choose similar Verizon models (such as an iPhone 4) compared to like models on another carrier (like AT&T's iPhone 4)? What phones does Verizon have to make them at least competitive in the national market?

 

[nerdydesi]

Best phones and cheapest prices of any national carrier, yet T-Mobile still cannot stop hemorrhaging customers fed up with poor service. Funny how that works, isn't it?

True, I know that Verizon has amongst the lowest churn, if not the lowest, among national carriers. T-Mobile though sure is doing one heck of a job getting some nice phones on their line-up to entice new customers or keep their existing ones from leaving. I work at VZW and I'm very tempted by the HTC Doubleshot, dual-core 4G slider phone. VZW is getting the Droid 3, but its only 3G. :'(

 

[INK]

I am only rude to those whom attempt to feed on and spread harmful half-truths, or otherwise contradict themselves. You will learn quickly I respect those that, even if completely wrong, can still come up with an intelligent justification for an ill-informed claim, or outrightly admit to being wrong. I do this on a regular basis if I am proven wrong, or otherwise make an ill-informed statement.

So then, lets test your unbaised claim then, shall we? No cop outs. No dodging. Respond to this from the opposite side. I want you to sell me on Verizon's handsets compared to the ones you listed in your original post. What are their key features that set them apart? Why should I choose similar Verizon models (such as an iPhone 4) compared to like models on another carrier (like AT&T's iPhone 4)? What phones does Verizon have to make them at least competitive in the national market?

How am I being contradictory? And what half truths? The latest phones on Verizon are Thunderbolt, Revolution, and Charge. You want my unbiased opinion every one of the 4g is out doing Verizon in terms of handset technology. If you are butt hurt because you can't accept that don't go calling me names. Get over it Verizon is being outdone its not the end of the world.

 

[mcgavien]

Even before the LTE network released Verizon hasn't been providing bleeding edge tech.

Verison has always been obsolite. Welcome to life. Ha

 

[srh.pres.usx]

Bottom line is, the whole premise of the OP and his subsequent posts is strictly his opinion, educated or not. Unfortunately, it's presented as fact, described as 'unbiased opinion' and everyone else is expected to accept it. It may have been received differently if the cited phones were compared in detail to the Verizon lineup, feature for feature, to show exactly why that opinion was formed. Nice to see the mods moved this out of the T-bolt forum, and hopefully they will close this one, like they have the other ones, as it too has run its course.

 

[mcgavien]

I want a nickle for every time i have heard that verison sucks.

 

[LMO]

Eh, Maybe Verizon is just too busy worrying about trying to catch people tethering without paying for it. Bwahahahaha

 

[Mortiel]

How am I being contradictory? And what half truths? The latest phones on Verizon are Thunderbolt, Revolution, and Charge. You want my unbiased opinion every one of the 4g is out doing Verizon in terms of handset technology. If you are butt hurt because you can't accept that don't go calling me names. Get over it Verizon is being outdone its not the end of the world.

And that would be dodging, which I told you not to do. Read the last paragraph again, mate. I was not name calling. Passing opinions off as facts is a form of half-truth in some cases, and a straight out lie in other cases. That is not name calling, its a fact of communication.

I am no salesman, but I could sell you on the benefits on any carrier's top handsets, not just my employers. I recognize that, no matter what, there will always be something better somewhere else. It is perfectly fine with me. I enjoy my phone, and will for some time now. I also just generally enjoy studying and learning about new technologies, whether it be for my employer or not. What I want from you is to back up your claim of being unbiased. I do not want your opinion, I want objectivity, which is required for one to be unbiased. The term "unbiased opinion" is, in essence, a contradiction.No more passing opinions off as facts. So, back your claim up, and I will happily drop the subject and speak no more of it.

I asked you to play Devil's Advocate. Sell me on Verizon despite your opinion being against it. THAT is objective and unbiased, which I am still waiting to see you demonstrate. Research, learn, and then speak. That is all I ask. So... any time you want to start, feel free.

 

[Mortiel]

I want a nickle for every time i have heard that verison sucks.

Its funny, because I hear that a lot too, but strangely Verizon has the most customers and the lowest rate of churn (customers leaving) among the four major national carriers. I am not sure how that happens. Maybe its a percentage thing... Even if Verizon has a low percentage of dissatisfied customers, that low percentage is still more outright people than on another smaller carrier, even if that carrier has a higher percentage of dissatisfied customers.

 

[Mortiel]

True, I know that Verizon has amongst the lowest churn, if not the lowest, among national carriers. T-Mobile though sure is doing one heck of a job getting some nice phones on their line-up to entice new customers or keep their existing ones from leaving. I work at VZW and I'm very tempted by the HTC Doubleshot, dual-core 4G slider phone. VZW is getting the Droid 3, but its only 3G. :'(

Hey, I'll admit there are several devices I have been tempted by with other carriers... the Sensation, EVO 3D, and the like... I was even curious about the iPhone 4 when it released on AT&T (once I researched it more I really was not a fan, but the idea of video chat was mighty tempting). I was tempted by the G1 for T-Mobile, and the plethora of WP7 phones on other carriers.

Hell, I was even discussing with someone in one of our Tech centers down where you are about the Droid X-2 versus the G2x a few weeks ago.

Now, aside from the fact that in a professional sense it looks better on me having Verizon service (how could I give customers any confidence in the brand if I myself don't want to use it), I do honestly prefer the quality of service I get with Verizon over other carriers. There are a few occasions where I would not recommend Verizon to someone:

1. The customer lives in a poor service area.
2. The customer wants wireless internet to replace their home internet.
3. The customer wants something cheap.

None of those three reasons include devices, as the main step up devices have on other carriers is mostly style over substance. Yes, I see 3D as being style, albeit damn good style. There is not much else another carrier has over Verizon as far as devices, except in the case of what you said: A 4G slider.

Dual-core or not, my girlfriend was extremely disappointed with the fact that all new or coming soon LTE phones were all full touch screens. She was coming from an enV Touch, and still would like the physical keyboard option, but she wanted LTE over that. I am hoping like hell Motorola changes their minds and makes the Droid 3 an LTE handset. I really like the look of that phone, and was rather irked it was just 3G.

 

[INK]

And that would be dodging, which I told you not to do. Read the last paragraph again, mate. I was not name calling. Passing opinions off as facts is a form of half-truth in some cases, and a straight out lie in other cases. That is not name calling, its a fact of communication.

I am no salesman, but I could sell you on the benefits on any carrier's top handsets, not just my employers. I recognize that, no matter what, there will always be something better somewhere else. It is perfectly fine with me. I enjoy my phone, and will for some time now. I also just generally enjoy studying and learning about new technologies, whether it be for my employer or not. What I want from you is to back up your claim of being unbiased. I do not want your opinion, I want objectivity, which is required for one to be unbiased. The term "unbiased opinion" is, in essence, a contradiction.No more passing opinions off as facts. So, back your claim up, and I will happily drop the subject and speak no more of it.

I asked you to play Devil's Advocate. Sell me on Verizon despite your opinion being against it. THAT is objective and unbiased, which I am still waiting to see you demonstrate. Research, learn, and then speak. That is all I ask. So... any time you want to start, feel free.

Oooo I like that idea. Hold on

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Did that sell you on Verizon mate? I told you I'm not biased. I actually love Verizon wireless.