Three cheers for Jason Collins

[llamabreath]

I thought this was an Android forum?

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[Jennifer Stough]

How do you feel about children growing up around a homosexual neighbor or relative? What do you think of the influence it would have on them?

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I don't think it should have any influence on them. 'less the neighbor or relative is doing something inappropriate, like excessive pda, inappropriate comments or jokes, etc. Which I wouldn't appreciate around my child, hetero or homosexual couples alike. If anything it would teach my child acceptance of other beliefs. I don't believe that homosexuality is a choice. Therefore I wouldn't be afraid of a gay couple influencing my child in any other way than I would a heterosexual couple.

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[llamabreath]

I don't think it should have any influence on them. 'less the neighbor or relative is doing something inappropriate, like excessive pda, inappropriate comments or jokes, etc. Which I wouldn't appreciate around my child, hetero or homosexual couples alike. If anything it would teach my child acceptance of other beliefs. I don't believe that homosexuality is a choice. Therefore I wouldn't be afraid of a gay couple influencing my child in any other way than I would a heterosexual couple.

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You may not think it should have an influence, but it very well could.

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[Jennifer Stough]

You may not think it should have an influence, but it very well could.

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If I were to have a homosexual couple or individual around my child during his most impressionable years (2-7ish) I would make sure certain guidelines were in place, as I would with any couple, to sheild my child from anything sex related. Overt pda, inappropriate comments or jokes, nudity, cross dressing, etc, anything perverse, really. At that time, they are unaware of what is truly going on. Once they reach a certain age where they can start making opinions on their own or should they ask any questions, I would sit then down and explain to them what is going on. Love shouldn't have to be explained. If the couple is not perverse or inappropriate, there should be no negitive side effects on the child or their delevopment. Worse comes to worse, my child thinks that homosexuality or being with another male is ok. And I would not have a problem with that if that is what made him happy. My child will not be forever scarred from being in the influence of a happy, healthy, homosexual relationship.

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[Jennifer Stough]

In fact a child would more likely be scarred from a disfunctional abusive heterosexual relationship than they would a healthy, loving, homosexual one.

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[llamabreath]

If I were to have a homosexual couple or individual around my child during his most impressionable years (2-7ish) I would make sure certain guidelines were in place, as I would with any couple, to sheild my child from anything sex related. Overt pda, inappropriate comments or jokes, nudity, cross dressing, etc, anything perverse, really. At that time, they are unaware of what is truly going on. Once they reach a certain age where they can start making opinions on their own or should they ask any questions, I would sit then down and explain to them what is going on. Love shouldn't have to be explained. If the couple is not perverse or inappropriate, there should be no negitive side effects on the child or their delevopment. Worse comes to worse, my child thinks that homosexuality or being with another male is ok. And I would not have a problem with that if that is what made him happy. My child will not be forever scarred from being in the influence of a happy, healthy, homosexual relationship.

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That's a well thought-out answer (except that the last sentence makes me squirm) and i won't say anything about the way you spelled negative.

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[Jennifer Stough]

That's a well thought-out answer (except that the last sentence makes me squirm) and i won't say anything about the way you spelled negative.

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Lol, we are all entitled to a slip up here or there darn phone, not fixing my spelling errors! I want to teach my child to be as diverse and accepting of others as possible. And while I would hope that he is heterosexual because I would love to have biological grandchildren someday (hes too darn cute to want to pass that up), I would be happy for him if he were to be lucky enough to find that one someone, whoever they may be. I just genuinely believe that everyone deserves to be happy.

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[Serial Fordicator]

Wow. Lots of amusing posts here.

Just because someone is gay it doesn't mean they aren't christian. To be christian you believe certain things. Such as Jesus being the son of God. Because someone sins they cant be Christian? Look at all the popes molesting children. Look at all the catholics using birth control. Look at all the people having sex for pleasure and not procreation. Who are some of you to judge the severity of gays sins compared to those of your own? They aren't mortal sins last I checked.

What's it say in the bible? Something like "he who hasn't sinned shall cast the first stone?"

I agree about gays just wanting the same marriage rights as straight people. Doesnt seem like too much to ask.


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Repenting is what matters. If you know you are committing a sin and continue to do it every day (in vein) you are not remorseful/or can you truly repent.

It also says, "Woe onto them that call evil good and good evil."

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[trix]

Repenting is what matters. If you know you are committing a sin and continue to do it every day (in vein) you are not remorseful/or can you truly repent.

It also says, "Woe onto them that call evil good and good evil."

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Well then given your example, every catholic that has sex daily for pleasure or uses condoms or takes birth control regularly is no different.

Either way this point is moot. You don't have to be Christian to be gay or to be married. Was just pointing out there are plenty of Christians who sin similarly to gays.


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[trix]

That's a well thought-out answer (except that the last sentence makes me squirm) and i won't say anything about the way you spelled negative.

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And I won't say anything about you not capitalizing your "I"

Pot meet kettle.

Lets not be annoying grammar nazis. It makes you look 12. This is the second time you've done that in this thread with someone whom of which you don't agree with. Gets old.




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[Serial Fordicator]

Well then given your example, every catholic that has sex daily for pleasure or uses condoms or takes birth control regularly is no different.

Either way this point is moot. You don't have to be Christian to be gay or to be married. Was just pointing out there are plenty of Christians who sin similarly to gays.


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I agree that this point is moot. Christians sin too. Sex for pleasure is not a sin with your spouse. As far as it without a spouse, like I was saying, "woe to him who call evil good and good evil."

One thing I am is honest. I will call myself out for things before I call others. I definitely will not justify wrong as long as I am doing it.

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[llamabreath]

And I won't say anything about you not capitalizing your "I"

Pot meet kettle.

Lets not be annoying grammar nazis. It makes you look 12. This is the second time you've done that in this thread with someone whom of which you don't agree with. Gets old.




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I said it jokingly (and she knew it and you knew it), jeez, lighten up.

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[trix]

I said it jokingly (and she knew it and you knew it), jeez, lighten up.

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When you are disagreeing about a controversial topic and you resort to correcting their grammatical errors its not amusing. Its a desparate resort to belittle someone else.



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[llamabreath]

When you are disagreeing about a controversial topic and you resort to correcting their grammatical errors its not amusing. Its a desparate resort to belittle someone else.



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I would've done it regardless of the position of the poster. It had nothing to do with their (and your) position. I even do it to family and friends (and haven't lost any yet due to excessive grammar correction).

I wasted enough time on this, going back on-topic now.

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[OhioG]

1) it's immoral behavior

2) I really don't care what he or anyone else does in their bedroom. Just keep it there. Why force his homosexuality on the rest of us. Are we supposed to look at him differently because he is gay? no so keep it to yourself.

3) Well it's clear that at one time he obviously enjoyed sex with women since he was engaged, I have my doubts about that being a relationship where they decided to wait till marriage before having sex. Did he come out and announce his heterosexuality.

4) C'mon a call from the president, on this i find it difficult to stay within the parameters of polite conversation. How does THIS deserve a call from the president? How is this deserving of the media storm?

I'm really not a basketball fan, I have no idea if he's a star player or simply mediocre.

It's self-centered, attention seeking behavior, and a few other things but certainly not courageous.

1) Morality is constantly changing and a terrible cop out. It was considered immoral for a white woman to marry a black man in our country not to long ago. Also Deuteronomy says, "A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin, If the wife is not a virgin she shall be executed." Don't pick parts of the old testament you like and parts you dont like. The old testament is full of crap and cherry picking what you want is pathetic.

2) No one is forcing homosexuality on you. The reason he gets press is because of people like you.

3) You may have doubts about him not saving it til marriage.... but you have no proof to doubt it. Just because you dont want to believe it doesn't make it any less right, it just makes you look like an *****.

4) The president called him because what Collins did was courageous. He is in a African American dominated sport, the AA community is highly homophobic, and athletes are scared to come out because they dont think they would be accepted in the locker room. I love how a bunch of white straight males who have never been discriminated against by an entire society for who they are can stand here and say wait why is it a big deal.

Also the reason this is such a big deal is its a part of a movement for basic civil rights. When Jackie Robinson was the first black athlete, there was a huge media storm. No one gives you press coverage for saying your straight..... instead they just give you rights.

Another thing, what kinds of gyms do you all go to. Every place I've been to has stalled showers. The only naked guys I see at the gym are old white straight men. No one makes a big deal about that even though they make EVERYONE uncomfortable.

Lastly for all of you people who say being gay is a choice, go up to a naked gay guy and try to get hard and maintain it. Thats the thing, gay guys cant get it up for girls. Thats what it means when they say its not a choice.

The problem comes from the fact that we openly accept the notion of liking something for no cause but only for straight people. Its like when 1 guy goes I dont like black girls and another does. We just let it go and say its not like he is actively choosing to not like black girls, he just doesnt.

 

[llamabreath]

Once again, someone has steered this thread toward black civil rights. How come you guys can't defend Collins without bringing race into it? Because it's always the victim mentality.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

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