Did you ever try their IRC channel(s)? They were quite helpful on that when they were working out the kinks on 3.2.1.
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unrEVOked. The good, the bad, the ugly
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Did you ever try their IRC channel(s)? They were quite helpful on that when they were working out the kinks on 3.2.1.
No. Had no knowledge of one. There is no link for an IRC channel on their web page, nor would I have known an IRC channel was for contacting them. Interestingly enough you can email someone for a receipt for donations.
You have to keep in mind... a lot of the people that gravitate toward unrevoked are new to all of this, and they choose unrevoked because it's the simple, one step, don't need to know the lingo or anything else method. (At least that's how it's portrayed by some people).
Anyway... I don't have anything personal against unrevoked. Their software was incredible, it just didn't work for me or many others that I've read about on the forums.
Why not just create a forum on their page for people who have questions about the software, method, and anything else? That's all I'm saying... that's all ALL the other members of AC are saying.
You have to keep in mind... a lot of the people that gravitate toward unrevoked are new to all of this, and they choose unrevoked because it's the simple, one step, don't need to know the lingo or anything else method. (At least that's how it's portrayed by some people).
Anyway... I don't have anything personal against unrevoked. Their software was incredible, it just didn't work for me or many others that I've read about on the forums.
Why not just create a forum on their page for people who have questions about the software, method, and anything else? That's all I'm saying... that's all ALL the other members of AC are saying.
yes - but it comes across that you look down on others that may just want to install some drivers
and then double click on an exe file and be rooted.
i learn to adb push files and then it's easier for you to help me later on?
how is that, when you can't even tell me what method i used to root my phone?
i agree with your community and helpers comments - no one doesn't appreciate that.
but by harping over and over this same spiel - it's become like a negative political campaign.
you guys are better than that.
stress the positive.
oh wait - this is unrEVOked -the good, the bad, the ugly Thread ...
nevermind
this comes from a noob that appreciates what i've read from all your posts.
and i'm only replying because Goat said to!
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Im getting kinda tired of the unrevoked fight, it just doesnt make sense anymore.
They dont want to listen to us before hand, but when they have a question or problem that they could have taken care of themselves if they had used the right way, we are expected to help?
We arent a bunch of indians waiting to take your call like a microsoft help hot-line, so we can act however we want.
I dont think we are acting elitist, but if you do, fine. Make a report and send it to my manger.
Oh wait, we are helping for free...
Use unrevoked, IDC anymore. I'm sure those of us (majority of us being adept at this stuff) have gotten our point across not to use unrevoked, and im content with that.
Do what you wish.
They dont want to listen to us before hand, but when they have a question or problem that they could have taken care of themselves if they had used the right way, we are expected to help?
We arent a bunch of indians waiting to take your call like a microsoft help hot-line, so we can act however we want.
I dont think we are acting elitist, but if you do, fine. Make a report and send it to my manger.
Oh wait, we are helping for free...
Use unrevoked, IDC anymore. I'm sure those of us (majority of us being adept at this stuff) have gotten our point across not to use unrevoked, and im content with that.
Do what you wish.
From the netarchy xda page.... So ya.. it's not just us, even developers are against it...
"An important note for UNREVOKED3 users:
Unrevoked3 by itself is not a "full root" (read: root + nand unlock), and there is a very good chance that if you're not rooted with nand unlocked you may run into issues not only with this kernel, but quite possibly several features in other custom roms (as many features require nand unlock).
I highly advise fully and properly rooting your phone, complete with nand unlock."
"An important note for UNREVOKED3 users:
Unrevoked3 by itself is not a "full root" (read: root + nand unlock), and there is a very good chance that if you're not rooted with nand unlocked you may run into issues not only with this kernel, but quite possibly several features in other custom roms (as many features require nand unlock).
I highly advise fully and properly rooting your phone, complete with nand unlock."
Unfortunately people use the keyword "Unrevoked3" to mean more than they should. What exactly is Unrevoked3? It's *not*, for example, Unrevoked 3.2.1, which grants both root and nand unlock. IMO "Unrevoked3" means "Unrevoked 3.0", so the warning doesn't mean that much because 3.0 isn't the newest version.
So when you say "developers are against it", please be careful to define what "it" is.
TIA.
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Dont act like you know what your talking about just because you caught jerzy on something he didnt fully read.
Oh, ask the developers what method they rooted with.
Get back to me about that please. kthnx.
I actually did know what I was posting. I know what unrEVOked 3.2.1 does... But what you obviously failed to realize is that despite what unrEVOked 3.2.1 includes, NETARCHY STILL HASN'T REMOVED THAT STATEMENT FROM THAT THREAD. Why? Because it's still garbage. You think he doesn't realize that unrEVOked 3.2.1 is out and what it does??? Obviously the fact that he hasn't removed that statement despite the 3.2.1 version releases shows that there is still a disdain for unrEVOked...
I used simple root... Which besides the rollback, it was a cinch too. Maybe I should re root manually so this Goat can feel more awesome than he already is.
We, us , they , them , nice group of devisive words not exactly promoting an all inclusive community here ... What are you trying to say with the comment about people from India ? Can you explain yourself ? I hope it wasn't anything disparaging . And it is only my opinon but you just solidified the the perception that the "majority" you speak of are being snobish , elitist and sometimes just down right nasty . I will defintely say there a lot of very helpful and humouros members on here and I like reading the all of the threads where people are helped out of there predicaments . But thats just it , it's people helping people your not the Android police telling people what to do. I hope I have gotten my point across. thanks and take it easy.
P.S You gotta try Myn warm 2.2 rls 2 .... I know you want to ... I been runnin it for days...
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Nobody on this forum looks down to any other member or user, no one is better than anyone else... granted, if you're a developer who has made a dope *** ROM, undeniably solid root method, or anything else worthy or constituting you to claim bragging rights, then do as you please. This is a free forum.
What the users on this forum are tired of is the flood of questions that come in from unrevoked users after they've attempted to root with no knowledge of what they were doing.
The point is majority of the useless threads about "Help!!! rooted with unrevoked now I cant do this, that, blah blah" can be avoided if the person just took the time to educate themselves, had the patience to root the way that has been proven efficient, and knew what was going on.
Unrevoked is advertised as a one click, no command prompt entry root method.
This thread is not a political campaign, or bashing about unrevoked, but what it IS, is a thread where we as users are putting our foot down as a community to try and warn other people of the HIGH risk involved in rooting with unrevoked.
Bottom line unrEVOked = not user/noobie friendly
What the users on this forum are tired of is the flood of questions that come in from unrevoked users after they've attempted to root with no knowledge of what they were doing.
The point is majority of the useless threads about "Help!!! rooted with unrevoked now I cant do this, that, blah blah" can be avoided if the person just took the time to educate themselves, had the patience to root the way that has been proven efficient, and knew what was going on.
Unrevoked is advertised as a one click, no command prompt entry root method.
This thread is not a political campaign, or bashing about unrevoked, but what it IS, is a thread where we as users are putting our foot down as a community to try and warn other people of the HIGH risk involved in rooting with unrevoked.
Bottom line unrEVOked = not user/noobie friendly
What are you talking about? Have you been on unrevoked's website. Look at what it says underneath the huge unrevoked3 logo, in fine print... it says VERSION 3.21!
THIS... "unrevoked3 is a tool to flash a custom recovery image to your Android phone. A custom recovery image allows you to perform advanced tasks on the system partition, such as flashing custom ROMs and taking a full backup of your phone (a ?nandroid? backup). We recommend installing the custom recovery image for all users who want rooted phones."
...is directly from unrevokeds' WIKI.
Yes... But there's still more risk with unrEVOked... There's risks with putting nitrous in your car. But putting a 500 shot is a hell of a lot more risky than putting a 150 shot. So saying "there is risk in all rooting" is a bit too simplified..
So prove this extra risk you speak of . Is it any different from say using something that has a warning such as this :
Disclaimer As ALL things root, I am NOT nor is Vaelek (the developer) responsible for anything that may happen to your phone. This app has been vigorously tested and no problems have been found. However, as with everything that involves root, the risk in yours. Any problems email the developer immediately. I'm sure those using VaelPak ROM's will agree that Vaelek is VERY good at helping people with issues. If you are having issues, WAIT until you get a response from Vaelek before you start dishing out low ratings...
unrevoked has worked flawlessly for me on several phones.
if you don't like it fine but that's your opinion.
weather you like it or not the unrevoked team has contributed a lot to the android community and we would be much worse off without them. what are you going to do when toast doesn't have a root method for your device and unrevoked does? we need all the help we can get to keep EVERY phone rooted and open for development. don't be so quick to dismiss others work as worthless. you never know when you are going to need it.
if you don't like it fine but that's your opinion.
weather you like it or not the unrevoked team has contributed a lot to the android community and we would be much worse off without them. what are you going to do when toast doesn't have a root method for your device and unrevoked does? we need all the help we can get to keep EVERY phone rooted and open for development. don't be so quick to dismiss others work as worthless. you never know when you are going to need it.
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We never said it was worthless, or dismissing the time they invested in their little closed exploit root method.
But its just that, if you have problems youre boned because you dont know what the hell is going on because it doesnt let you know.
The Unrevoked team does great work, but new incomers to the rooting "club" tend to use it without knowing why or what to do even do afterwards. OR they run into problems and we get "PLEASE HELP BRICKED NOW HELP!!@ PL0X" threads, which we may or may not be able to help.
Its like having someone build you a house and not tell you what its make out of under the dry-wall. Or having a mechanic fix up your car and not tell you what he did.
If unrevoked let it be known to the world what they are doing i would probably use it myself. But if i was unrevoked i would make some requirement to filter out people that dont know enough about root, and turn them away untill they read up. (it'd be impossible, i know)
The problem comes down to innocently ignorant people, and a closed program.
LOL wow.. That argument just failed miserably... are you serious? First of all there is not a single developer that will not put a disclaimer that basically states that what you are doing is at your own risk. So right off the bat your point is moot... Everything involving root is a risk it's that simple. However, as I stated before certain things are more risky than others. To seriously compare a ****ing resolution toggle application which btw has failsafe measures built in in case of any issues such as REMOTE restore by simply texting your phone to reset to a ROOTING application that has the potential to brick your phone, or cause issues in the future if even the slightest thing goes wrong is probably the funniest thing I've heard all day.. Actually, it is the funniest thing. What failsafe measures is in unrEVOked??? NONE. How much support do they give? If their support was so great then why are there so many damn threads every week about how people are having issues after using unrevoked??? Their answer would be easy "unrevoked worked b/c you're rooted" so at that point you're on your own. Whereas with the app that you ridiculously pointed out, has incredible developer support. And I also must add that a damn resolution app can in theory be done by anyone that knows how to code. UNLIKE UNREVOKED WHICH HAS MANAGED TO FIND AN EXPLOIT TO GET THE ROOT AND HAS YET TO SHARE IT WITH ANYONE AND KEEPS IT A ****ING SECRET!!! So how the HELL do you possibly compare a disclaimer for a resolution toggle application to that of an app that can potentially turn your $500 phone to a baby's toy cell phone? Come back to me when you can think of something better
Open for development? Go ahead and email unrevoked and ask them how unrevoked works.. They wont tell ANYONE. They REFUSE to tell anyone how it works. So much for "open development" huh? I don't think we'd be much worse without them. How would we? We don't NEED unrevoked.. To be honest it's useless since there is a better and more efficient way to root as it is.. I know I'll never need to use unrevoked. So I can care less what happens to tham to be honest. unrevoked goes against what Android is about.. openness. And it's not much of an "opinion" when theres practically a new thread a day about someone having issues after using unrevoked...
LOL wow.. That argument just failed miserably... are you serious? First of all there is not a single developer that will not put a disclaimer that basically states that what you are doing is at your own risk. So right off the bat your point is moot... Everything involving root is a risk it's that simple. However, as I stated before certain things are more risky than others. To seriously compare a ****ing resolution toggle application which btw has failsafe measures built in in case of any issues such as REMOTE restore by simply texting your phone to reset to a ROOTING application that has the potential to brick your phone, or cause issues in the future if even the slightest thing goes wrong is probably the funniest thing I've heard all day.. Actually, it is the funniest thing. What failsafe measures is in unrEVOked??? NONE. How much support do they give? If their support was so great then why are there so many damn threads every week about how people are having issues after using unrevoked??? Their answer would be easy "unrevoked worked b/c you're rooted" so at that point you're on your own. Whereas with the app that you ridiculously pointed out, has incredible developer support. And I also must add that a damn resolution app can in theory be done by anyone that knows how to code. UNLIKE UNREVOKED WHICH HAS MANAGED TO FIND AN EXPLOIT TO GET THE ROOT AND HAS YET TO SHARE IT WITH ANYONE AND KEEPS IT A ****ING SECRET!!! So how the HELL do you possibly compare a disclaimer for a resolution toggle application to that of an app that can potentially turn your $500 phone to a baby's toy cell phone? Come back to me when you can think of something better
Open for development? Go ahead and email unrevoked and ask them how unrevoked works.. They wont tell ANYONE. They REFUSE to tell anyone how it works. So much for "open development" huh? I don't think we'd be much worse without them. How would we? We don't NEED unrevoked.. To be honest it's useless since there is a better and more efficient way to root as it is.. I know I'll never need to use unrevoked. So I can care less what happens to tham to be honest. unrevoked goes against what Android is about.. openness. And it's not much of an "opinion" when theres practically a new thread a day about someone having issues after using unrevoked...[/QUOTE
I lost ? because you say and I quote
" Everything involving root is a risk it's that simple"
which is completely contrary to what you said earlier which was :
" So saying "there is risk in all rooting" is a bit too simplified "
SO PROVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYIN ABOUT UNREVOKED BEING MORE RISKY !!!
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