Usage that damages battery?

[cjtkd]

Hi,
So with the current situation regarding social distancing, I've had to move my business online. I'm doing a LOT of daily video filming or live streams with my Note 10+, probably between 20 to 40 minutes at a time. Do you feel such heavy usage will damage the battery in any way?
I know that modern batteries are much better, but I'm concerned that heavy use might be damaging the handset?

 

[Relletti]

No. The battery should be fine. The note is a work horse too, so you should be good. Just enjoy the phone experience

 

[cjtkd]

No. The battery should be fine. The note is a work horse too, so you should be good. Just enjoy the phone experience

Thanks for your reply. Out of interest, what kind of use is generally bad for the handset? I suspected that subjecting the handset to high power demand on a near daily basis might be bad for it? That being said, I guess some will play high demand games most days.

 

[Relletti]

Thanks for your reply. Out of interest, what kind of use is generally bad for the handset? I suspected that subjecting the handset to high power demand on a near daily basis might be bad for it? That being said, I guess some will play high demand games most days.

I mean the battery will be affected eventually but it should last a couple of years. Draining the battery from 100 percent to 0 percent is not good for the device, because this wears the life cycle of the battery out. As far as performance, I've been using this device everyday as a heavy user. Watching video, messaging, streaming, and gaming and so far its fine. I've had the device since launch.

 

[cjtkd]

Thanks, I guess I'm just being overly worried given that money is a little tight. I was just concerned at the battery use as recording longer clips and streaming to Facebook live for anywhere up to an hour at a time really smashes the battery. I'm doing this most or every other day at the moment as I'm providing online teaching.

 

[B. Diddy]

I agree -- the single most important thing to do is to avoid deep discharges on a regular basis. Otherwise, be aware of temperature extremes -- if you notice the phone heating up a lot with whatever you're doing, you may need to take a break. Excessively high battery temps can degrade the battery.

 

[Relletti]

Thanks, I guess I'm just being overly worried given that money is a little tight. I was just concerned at the battery use as recording longer clips and streaming to Facebook live for anywhere up to an hour at a time really smashes the battery. I'm doing this most or every other day at the moment as I'm providing online teaching.

I understand. Trust me I get it. The best thing though is to try and not worry about it and enjoy the experience of the device. You don't want to worry so much about the what ifs, and then miss out on having a great device to use everyday.

 

[cjtkd]

I agree -- the single most important thing to do is to avoid deep discharges on a regular basis. Otherwise, be aware of temperature extremes -- if you notice the phone heating up a lot with whatever you're doing, you may need to take a break. Excessively high battery temps can degrade the battery.

It gets 'warm' for sure, but nothing extreme. By deep discharge, do you mean running it from 100% to 0% over and over? I tend to run it from around 80% to anywhere around 60% to 67% over about 20 minutes (ish).

 

[B. Diddy]

Right, I would call a deep discharge one where the battery drops to 10% or lower. 80% to 60% is nothing to worry about.

 

[cjtkd]

Right, I would call a deep discharge one where the battery drops to 10% or lower. 80% to 60% is nothing to worry about.

Ok thanks. So essentially its worse to run the battery from full to flat over and over than it is to 'work it hard' for short periods then charge again?

 

[B. Diddy]

Exactly. BatteryUniversity.com is a good site for more information: https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

Also see this guide: [Guide] The Care and Feeding of Lithium Polymer Batteries - Android Forums at AndroidCentral.com

 

[cjtkd]

I understand. Trust me I get it. The best thing though is to try and not worry about it and enjoy the experience of the device. You don't want to worry so much about the what ifs, and then miss out on having a great device to use everyday.

This is what I got back after a couple of charges

 

[blackhawkhot]

The two things that will kill Li batteries prematurely is full charging and high temperature.
"Deep cycling" from 72% down 10% isn't an issue if the temp is kept low during charging.
Better to aim for a low of about 30%
Ideal temp is about 72° F or lower. Anything above 95 F is not desirable.
Do not charge to 100%, it will take away hundreds even thousands of charge cycles!
Charging to around 72% then running down to 30% or so works very well.
On the Note 10+ use the factory 25 watt charger and cord. Doing that keeps the battery temp increase to a minimum with a better charge yield.
It goes fast so keep a close eye on it.
Slower charging will yield higher battery temps!
Counterintuitive but true.

Since that phone is water proof you can use a damp rag to cool during charging or heavy usage.
In dry environments this works very well.
Do Not get water around the charging port!!!
Allow to dry completely if this happens before charging again. Be careful getting sweat near the port; salt is death to electronic devices!

The battery in the Note 10+ is very hard to replace; protect it from full charges/high temperatures and it will last the life of the device. I go for many hours using only a partial 72-82% charge and a partial charge time is so fast with the factory charger that a 20 minute break is all it needs.

 

[wenso smith]

Overcharging is one of the most common causes of shortening the life of batteries. Simply put, overcharging your phone means keeping it plugged in more time than necessary If you're the type that loves to have your phone plugged in at all times, you should know that it damages your battery.

 

[Morty2264]

I'm no battery expert, but I'd say that's an okay discharge; especially for a Note 10. I know that my phone is getting a lot of use lately - especially since I now have work meetings using my phone - but phones these days can take a punch and keep on truckin'! One thing that might hurt the battery is prolonged exposure to high or cold temperatures, I think.

 

[blackhawkhot]

I'm no battery expert, but I'd say that's an okay discharge; especially for a Note 10. I know that my phone is getting a lot of use lately - especially since I now have work meetings using my phone - but phones these days can take a punch and keep on truckin'! One thing that might hurt the battery is prolonged exposure to high or cold temperatures, I think.

Cold will degrade performance but not harm a LI.
Heat and full charges will shorten its life many fold ie temp over 72F, charges over about 72%.

Remember when you charge from say 40% to say 70%, that's not considered a full charge cycle.
LI's wuv being charged/discharged like this; it prolongs their life. They have no memory like the older NiCads.
Store LI's with a full charge is a bad idea unless they'll be in storage for years. Storing them in a hot place with a full charge is the worst way to store them.
72% @ 35-50F is ideal. Charge can be lower as long as time doesn't drag it below it's minimum charged voltage ie storing for 2 months at a 35% charge minimizes the aging of the cells. They self discharge at around 2-3% @ month if I recall correctly.

 

[B. Diddy]

Interesting information. I agree battery temps are important, but what do you think about the data here regarding depth of discharge? https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

 

[blackhawkhot]

Interesting information. I agree battery temps are important, but what do you think about the data here regarding depth of discharge? https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

That's pretty much the bible for batteries.
If memory serves me correctly the depth of discharge isn't critical as long as it doesn't exceed the battery cells minimum charge V+ or drive up the temp during charging.
Although they have built in active protection to stop a discharge cycle, if you took it to that threshold and let it sit for more than a month or two it would self discharge below it's critical V+
The onboard circuit would not allow it to be charged than although by bypassing said circuit you could probably still charge the cells and restore it. Of coarse course you'd to disassemble the unit to do so.

With a deeper discharge, it takes longer to charge thus raising the bat temp more than a shorter cycle would.
You can let it charge 20% or so then a while latter hit it again to keep the charging cooler. Brief charge cycles don't harm LI's...
If you watch the charge time at verious portions of charge cycle it gives you an idea of the stress it's inducing as does the temperature rise.
I shoot for a discharge between 20-30% and then charge to 72-82%. I stop charging if temp goes above 100F and many times use a clean damp shop rag to cool it if I know it's going beyond 90F. Not the ideal temp but it still gives you hundreds more of full cycles of battery life.
At the 3 year mark I want to still have the original battery that capable of holding decent capacity.
With a phone like the Note 10+ that's important; even taking off the back cover is tedious... and done with a heat gun.
It's battery is glued to the back of the screen which can be easily damaged when replacing the battery.

Note, LIs don't like heavy discharge rates. If the phone is getting warm/hot during use, cool it down. High ambient temps will naturally do this.
Keep screen at 50% brightness or less.
Disable Android Services background activity, it will turn back on after a reboot or Playstore download.
However another culprit is...
Buggy apks/bad settings will cause hot running too; find them if so and stop this behavior. It's killing your battery!!!
Seen this on my Note 10, AT&T power management apk needed to be disabled and correct settings in Samsung Device Manager enabled. Went from running way too hot ripping through the charge to running cool with good battery life.
The Goggle AR apk needed to be disabled as well... a serious power hog.

The AT&T Note 10+ needs some serious settings tweaking to run happy. Once there it runs like a champ.

 

[mhw100]

I use the 0EM Samsung charging stand at night which charges it to 100% while sleeping. Am I reading the above correctly that this shortens battery life?

 

[the_boon]

I charge my phone to 100% and unplug right before going to sleep so its not needlessly plugged in the whole night.

Wake up to 98%