Verizon announces VoLTE in the upcoming weeks

[sierrajinx9]

The Article.. From Verizon... Says it can...

 

[sierrajinx9]

Verizon updated to inform people that they where misquoted in many articles... Indeed the call will drop if ANY of the parties leave LTE....

How is this going to work in the future, Verizon is slated to start releasing LTE ONLY phones in 2016... Will i only be able to call Verizon LTE customers then? or will they have MultiCarrier figured out by then... and if multi carrier, will i NOT be able to call anyone NOT on a VOLTE Network? (Us Cellular, Sprint).... If i can't make an LTE call to CDMA now.. how will i in the future?

 

[sierrajinx9]

*Update* and i will try to get them to email it to me... I was at Verizon Today and the rep was talking up VOLTE.. and Suggesting the Galaxy 5 and LG G2/G3 to customers... So i proceeded to ask... "Can i keep my unlimited Data"... Rep told me Yes... However.. Any Plans on Unlimited Data will get a Configuration Error when attempting any VOLTE VIDEO Services... Only VOICE LTE Calls will work on Unlimited Data Plans and in the future, when more features are released... Any Features that would be billed as "data" will be rejected

Lets hope he was wrong

 

[Almeuit]

Awesome, however you be throttled after 4.7GB so not sure how that will play out with VOLTE.


That will be easy to circumvent if you are rooted. Sounds like they are doing the same kind of check they do for WiFi tethering, which is child's play to circumvent.

They already stated VoLTE will use minutes.. Not your data. So they're not going to count the voice data against your data allotment.

 

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

They already stated VoLTE will use minutes.. Not your data. So they're not going to count the voice data against your data allotment.

Unless you make a video call, then it's minutes and data.

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[sierrajinx9]

The Data used to host the VOICE, even if its billed as MINUTES, wont count... If its a 1 minute call, the data used to host that call will be ignored, and you will be billed 1 minute... if its a video call... you will be billed Data only..

 

[Almeuit]

Right but if you are being throttled on the LTE network because you have UDP and are in the top 5% of data users, I wonder how that will affect VOLTE services since no matter how they are being billed the technology requires the use of data over the LTE network.

But even if it uses data they can set that data to not be throttled... So they can specifically set it to never throttle that call data.. But throttle other data.

If they bill it as minutes they're not going to throttle it just because it's data... They're not going to try and sabotage your phone calls..

 

[Almeuit]

I am sure they can; just wondering if they will.


Only time will tell what they will do to us.

They can't. They can't double dip...

An example of this would be a user who doesn't have a data plan.. But has unlimited text, picture, and video... Sending a picture and being charged data. It wouldn't fly very well..

Video calling is different since no carrier really advertises that... But if you have unlimited calling... They can't throttle your phone call just because you're on an old plan. You pay for the calling.. And pay for the data.. Two separate things.. They can't hurt your unlimited calling due to data. They will just white list it to allow the call... Calls won't use that much bandwidth.

 

[dpham00]

What Almeuit said makes sense. Though, most people on old plans don't have unlimited minutes as it is very expensive.

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[Almeuit]

What Almeuit said makes sense. Though, most people on old plans don't have unlimited minutes as it is very expensive.

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True.. Same goes even for limited though . If you paid for 450 minutes... They owe you that since they don't have anything saying phone calls can be throttled.

 

[dpham00]

True.. Same goes even for limited though . If you paid for 450 minutes... They owe you that since they don't have anything saying phone calls can be throttled.

I am almost certain that they would give priority to voice for verizon post paid, regardless of data plan.

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[Almeuit]

Nothing I said had anything at all to do with double dipping. Not sure why you interpreted my post that way *shrugs*

Because it would be counting against your data and minutes if they throttled you.

Either way... They won't throttle voice. I can promise that... They can't charge you for minutes then make it not work since they decided to roll out VoLTE.

 

[Almeuit]

No, I didn't say anything like that. For some reason you are misinterpreting my posts. There is no point in continuing to discuss this.

Okay sorry then.. I just read it as you said they'd throttle the data since VoLTE does use data... I was simply saying even if throttled they will white list that data (call data) and not throttle it. Mainly because they don't count the data to begin with for other users (tiered) so they'll do the same for unlimited.. Leave that part unthrottled and use your minutes .

 

[sierrajinx9]

I see what he means... If your REGULAR Data usage is throttled because your a high user... will the quality of the call Deteriorate... The Answer is no... The Network will know its a Voice Call and allow for the quality, it doesn't use that much anyway... Video Calls also will be Unthrottled... As said above

 

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

True.. Same goes even for limited though . If you paid for 450 minutes... They owe you that since they don't have anything saying phone calls can be throttled.

They also sold us unlimited data, so why aren't unlimited data subscribers getting what they paid for.

They didn't have anything saying data would be throttled when they sold it to customers. What's to stop Verizon from saying 2000 minutes is excessive usage for the 5% customers, so they will throttle or charge extra over 2000 minutes. This is why the government needs to wake up and force these carriers to honor what they sold. Unlimited data was sold as unlimited data with no limits with no stipulation you can't get subsidized phones.

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[Almeuit]

They also sold us unlimited data, so why aren't unlimited data subscribers getting what they paid for.

They didn't have anything saying data would be throttled when they sold it to customers. What's to stop Verizon from saying 2000 minutes is excessive usage for the 5% customers, so they will throttle or charge extra over 2000 minutes. This is why the government needs to wake up and force these carriers to honor what they sold. Unlimited data was sold as unlimited data with no limits with no stipulation you can't get subsidized phones.

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Technically they did. When you agreed to the terms and conditions for Verizon you agreed they can do whatever they want to your data speeds since they do not guarantee speeds ever. All carriers do this... Even T-Mobile can throttle me on unlimited if they see fit... And they never told me that... I've just read my terms and it says if they feel they need to throttle me whenever for the better of the network.. Then so be it.

Trust me it's there... This is why AT&T did it as well. I had AT&T unlimited along time ago and when they started the whole thing everyone went into an uproar that they're violating contracts and all that... Then once you find that in the terms... You can't really do much... That's why AT&T didn't let anyone out of contracts no matter what they said.

It sucks.. But sadly.. It's just how it goes.

 

[Almeuit]

Also technically it's still unlimited amounts.. But as stated above the speeds are just slowed. At least it isn't a hard cap like AT&T where 5 GB instantly throttles you. Verizon is at least saying if you're over that and in a congested area.

 

[Almeuit]

It really is irrelevant what TMobile and ATT do when talking about what Verizon can do on its 4G LTE network, which runs on the block C spectrum and has different and more strict terms in its licenses.

Verizon can only throttle for network optimization, not profit optimization. If the issue is how much data a particular user is using, then that user should be throttled regardless of how much they pay per gigabyte. However, Verizon is only throttling those who are in the top 5% of data users and are paying the lowest rate per gigabyte. That is not network optimization; it is profit optimization.

If it were network optimization all users in the top 5% of users would be throttled equally, not just those who pay the lowest amount per gigabyte.

They also are not throttling their government and large corporate customers, which of course has nothing at all to do with network optimization.

If you feel the same, email the FCC and let them know.

I was using them as examples... No need to quote only a tiny part and ignore the rest .

As I said in my previous post they are doing it different.. Whereas they throttle once you're over that limit and if that area is congested... Unlike AT&T with the hardlimit .

 

[Almeuit]

First, any examples that include ATT or TMobile are completely irrelevant to Verizon's 4G LTE network which runs on the block C spectrum as I said.

Second, It is completely irrelevant what Verizon puts in its contracts IF it conflicts with what is in the block C licenses. Verizon can put anything they want in their contracts and make any announcements they want but it does NOT override the licenses, which are not only contractual, but are codified in the law.

Thus, ALL of what you wrote was irrelevant.


And as I said in my previous post, that is completely irrelevant. Did you not get that point from my post? The only thing that matters when discussing what Verizon can and cannot do on their 4G LTE network is what the block C licenses say. It is not relevant what they say they can do - nor are their contracts relevant if they conflict with the terms of the licenses.

I gotta put you on ignore, too, you are spouting off about this stuff without understanding it and you aren't even a verizon customer.

I understand the whole c block thing and the rules... We will see if the FCC enforces it. Wheeler already wrote a letter about it as well... So... We will have to see.

My main thing is some don't realize the wording in the terms they hit "I agree" to.. And don't realize what they've been sold on.. Hence my examples. .

 

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

So lesson learned here is trust nothing any cellular carrier tells you, which most on here know.

I personally hope the government slaps Verizon hands and says if you have to throttle for network optimization, you will for all, not just unlimited. Then Verizon has a problem, because if I'm a customer on the tiered plan paying for 20 gigs of data I better not be hearing the words throttled period. Otherwise might as well just get 4 gig data plan, use Wi-Fi everywhere and shut cell data off at 4 gigs.

I for one find it hard to believe that 4.7 gb of usage is the top 5% Verizon is just trying to capitalize on unlimited data plans. I use around 5 to 6 gigs a month, pay $60 month for data and tethering, I don't think that should be considered high usage.

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