Verizon is changing the game

[Maikai.Guy]

I feel like I've been watching Fox News for the last five minutes. Somehow you asked a series of questions with no basis to support it, and made it sound as if it's going to happen.

I usually use "I feel like I've been watching Rachel Maddow" to convey that sentiment. ;-)

But I don't agree. You seem to be the one taking things out of context. The OP was very clear it was just speculation.

This is all theory and speculation, so take it for what it is... a grain of salt to irritate our wounds.

While we're on the subject... IMHO, statements announcing our opinions as "just oppinions" or speculation are unnecessary. Just about every post on any forum is just that... opinions and speculation. It should be taken as such as a matter of course.

 

[altimax98]

While we're on the subject... IMHO, statements announcing our opinions as "just oppinions" or speculation are unnecessary. Just about every post on any forum is just that... opinions and speculation. It should be taken as such as a matter of course.

I only said that so people wouldn't take it as gospel.. especially about the bootloader. Everyone is so up tight around here that any post is taken as a source

 

[robrecht]

But by delaying it it can lead some to just import an international version and switch to at&t or tmo.

As long as Verizon believes they are retaining or gaining more customers with the RAZR & Rezound than the few they might lose to people importing very expensive phones (and perhaps paying ETFs) they still have the leverage in this decision.

Thanks, Robrecht

 

[Premium1]

As long as Verizon believes they are retaining or gaining more customers with the RAZR & Rezound than the few they might lose to people importing very expensive phones (and perhaps paying ETFs) they still have the leverage in this decision.

Thanks, Robrecht

If they were selling so many razr and rezound they wouldn't keep pushing the nexus back. @P3Droid P3Droid
WTF, Nexus is not delayed due to MyVerizon.apk or BackupAssistant, the phone is drop dead ready !!!

Looks like it is the issue they are waiting for and not the 2 apps that were supposedly not working right. Poor razr&rezound sales make them wait longer since they want to try and sell more of those.

 

[robrecht]

If they were selling so many razr and rezound they wouldn't keep pushing the nexus back. @P3Droid P3Droid
WTF, Nexus is not delayed due to MyVerizon.apk or BackupAssistant, the phone is drop dead ready !!!

Looks like it is the issue they are waiting for and not the 2 apps that were supposedly not working right. Poor razr&rezound sales make them wait longer since they want to try and sell more of those.

They are trying to maximize overall sales with the best combination of all three phones and they are in the driver's seat in determining what they feel is their best strategy to accomplish this. If RAZR & Rezound sales (and bloat value) were really that poor Verizon would have no reason to delay the Nexus, but I doubt they are that poor.

Thanks, Robrecht

 

[thebrain73]

Sad to say, but Google needs/wants Verizon more than Verizon needs/wants Nexus so in every practical sense Google didn't really have the power that everyone here would like them to exercise.

Thanks, Robrecht

So you are saying the dominant mobile operating system, a system that hold a 50%+ market share world wide needs Verizon? I don't think so, Google could have released the GN as an HSPA only phone an done just fine.

 

[robrecht]

So you are saying the dominant mobile operating system, a system that hold a 50%+ market share world wide needs Verizon? I don't think so, Google could have released the GN as an HSPA only phone an done just fine.

They need and want Verizon Nexus customers if they want to maximize market share in that sector. Just basic marketing principles at play here.

Thanks, Robrecht

 

[thebrain73]

There are no Verizon Nexus customers. Everyone one on Verizon who wants an Android based phone has one. Everyone who wants a nexus has one on some other network. Selling the nexus on Verizon is not going to make it an iPhone. Killer. IPhone is proof that Verizon and its network are not prerequisite for sales success.

 

[robrecht]

There are no Verizon Nexus customers. Everyone one on Verizon who wants an Android based phone has one. Everyone who wants a nexus has one on some other network. Selling the nexus on Verizon is not going to make it an iPhone. Killer. IPhone is proof that Verizon and its network are not prerequisite for sales success.

Not yet but that is the market segment that is in play with this deal. There is no overriding reason for Samsung and Google to settle for fewer sales than they could have by making the deal. That the Nexus alone is not an iPhone killer is actually a reason for Google to accept this compromise on the Verizon Nexus.

Thanks, Robrecht

 

[Deltaechoe]

There are no Verizon Nexus customers. Everyone one on Verizon who wants an Android based phone has one. Everyone who wants a nexus has one on some other network. Selling the nexus on Verizon is not going to make it an iPhone. Killer. IPhone is proof that Verizon and its network are not prerequisite for sales success.

Um, Idk where you get your information but there are plenty of people who are on Verizon already who want a nexus over the phone they already have like myself for instance. Also, of course this won't be the iphone killer, apple's fanbase is so well established that it would take a completely huge screw up on apple's part to dislodge that entirely.

 

[Scottish]

I only said that so people wouldn't take it as gospel.. especially about the bootloader. Everyone is so up tight around here that any post is taken as a source

I think the point is that it's poor speculation. History has shown that Samsung's phones (to this point) never have locked bootloaders, even on Verizon. Why would you speculate that it's possible? It IS possible, but the likelihood, given what we know, is that it will not be locked.

 

[Maikai.Guy]

So you are saying the dominant mobile operating system, a system that hold a 50%+ market share world wide needs Verizon? I don't think so, Google could have released the GN as an HSPA only phone an done just fine.

The Galaxy Nexus is not Google's property... not Google's phone. It is Samsung's property... Samsung's phone.

It is simply a licencing deal by Google to allow Samsung to make and market a Nexus phone. Google has very little say in what Samsung and Verizon agree to do with the phone.

In fact, the RAZR is much more of a "Google Phone", in sales and marketing terms, than the Galaxy Nexus... since Google is acquiring Motorola.

 

[bplewis24]

The OP was very clear it was just speculation.

Then you clearly don't get it. And that's not surprising at all.

Brandon

 

[TBolt2011]

Sad to say, but Google needs/wants Verizon more than Verizon needs/wants Nexus so in every practical sense Google didn't really have the power that everyone here would like them to exercise.

Thanks, Robrecht

If Android left Verizon, they'd have like 9 phones left. 2 or 3 being feature phones.


But as far as the OP, I wouldn't be too worried. Everything you're saying is stuff that has been speculated before (ie Thunderbolt launch). Remember that we, the people that pay attention to launch dates and information, are the HUGE minority, and even if Verizon is just doing this to boost sales of two other phones, no one "knows" it but the people who read it online in forums like these. The average customer doesn't care. They want the phone, yeah. But they already have one too, so it doesn't matter when it comes out (pr what's one it, for that matter) to them.

To that very last point, what's on it, I realize this is considered a Developer phone. But it is also HEAVY on the Google brand, and EVERYONE knows what Google is. They can trust the name and everything, so they don't know what Nexus is, but they sure as hell know what Google is and that's why they want the phone. Not for the word "Nexus" like we all do.

 

[altimax98]

They can trust the name and everything, so they don't know what Nexus is, but they sure as hell know what Google is and that's why they want the phone. Not for the word "Nexus" like we all do.

I agree.. everyone else will see the Nexus as another 'brand', whereas we know it as more of a symbol of openness and developing.

As for the bootloader thing, both HTC and Motorola have opened up about it and have released ways to unlock the bootloader..... for everyone but Verizon. The Rezound built by HTC (all new phones have the unlockability) does NOT have a htcdev unlockable bootloader. Even though HTC stated all phones would.
Motorola has much the same thing except they use the fastboot tech and they still locked it on Verizon...

I know its pure speculation but it wouldn't be a huge surprise.

 

[ultravisitor]

Wait... what was the point of this?

FUD

 

[Akuma]

This is a public forum and the OP wanted to make a post. He is allowed to make a new thread and talk about whatever is on his mind, staying on topic of course.

You have a problem with putting down people's posts in the forum. You need to stop doing that because 95% of all of your posts are negative and bring down morale. I know I do not appreciate it and I doubt I am alone.

To the OP: I agree with many of your points. I doubt the bootloader is locked, though. The situation isn't THAT bad! But, as I've been saying since early November, Google needs to grow a pair.

I basically said exactly this about 2 Weeks ago.


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[Gekko]

i'd love to see Google buy Sprint and put an end to all of this nonsense. Sprint's market cap is about $8B. Google bought Mototola for $12.5B. buying Sprint would give Google an end to end mobile solution offering while also allowing them to continue to partner up with other carriers and hardware manufacturers. some concerns with this strategy would be - would it get by government regulators(FCC) ? what about Sprint's debt? what about Sprint's 4G and international position (or lack thereof)? how would partners feel? how would shareholders and management feel? i would just love to see Google do an end-around and have a 100% Google option for customers that want it. Google would be in full control of their mobile destiny controlling OS, software, ecosystem, hardware, and carrier. imagine what Google could do with Sprint with the cash and resources that Google has - they could really expand the footprint and 4G and beyond technology. Sprint would give them a solid foundation at a relative bargain to do this.

i would love to see GOOGLE change the game. what do you think?

 

[TBolt2011]

i'd love to see Google buy Sprint and put an end to all of this nonsense. Sprint's market cap is about $8B. Google bought Mototola for $12.5B. buying Sprint would give Google an end to end mobile solution offering while also allowing them to continue to partner up with other carriers and hardware manufacturers. some concerns with this strategy would be - would it get by government regulators(FCC) ? what about Sprint's debt? what about Sprint's 4G and international position (or lack thereof)? how would partners feel? how would shareholders and management feel? i would just love to see Google do an end-around and have a 100% Google option for customers that want it. Google would be in full control of their mobile destiny controlling OS, software, ecosystem, hardware, and carrier. imagine what Google could do with Sprint with the cash and resources that Google has - they could really expand the footprint and 4G and beyond technology. Sprint would give them a solid foundation at a relative bargain to do this.

i would love to see GOOGLE change the game. what do you think?

Someone just gave me hope for the future of Google Wireless.

 

[qnet]

The Galaxy Nexus is not Google's property... not Google's phone. It is Samsung's property... Samsung's phone.

It is simply a licencing deal by Google to allow Samsung to make and market a Nexus phone. Google has very little say in what Samsung and Verizon agree to do with the phone.

In fact, the RAZR is much more of a "Google Phone", in sales and marketing terms, than the Galaxy Nexus... since Google is acquiring Motorola.

It may not be Googles property but, without ICS I wouldn't even want this phone.