What did you guys think about the HTC One (M8) compared to the Nexus 5?

[yfan]

Do put everything in prospective, just like you don't care about samsung's app, there are people love it. There are also alot of people care about removable battery, longer battery life, vivid color, expandable storage, etc, etc.

Sure. I'm not trying to argue that these don't add value for some. I am saying that the overall core hardware configuration isn't much better than the Nexus 5. Also, I'm not talking about differences that have existed between the Nexus and the Galaxy S brands for years - like removable battery, expandable storage, etc. I'm talking about the differences between the current versions of the two brands shrinking.

Actually, it's not that much better than the S4, which also had a removable battery, etc. etc.

I'm merely saying that compared to past years, this isn't as much of a leap. Like you said, let's put things into perspective. Compare the Galaxy Nexus and GS3 core hardware configurations. Then compare the Nexus 4 and the GS4 hardware configurations. Then compare the N5 vs. the GS5. The difference is getting smaller and smaller each year. That's my point. I'm saying that now the leaps in hardware that we have seen in the past years are gone. Now we're tinkering around the edges. Not that the edges can't be important, but they're still the edges.

 

[Scott7217]

The difference is getting smaller and smaller each year. That's my point. I'm saying that now the leaps in hardware that we have seen in the past years are gone. Now we're tinkering around the edges. Not that the edges can't be important, but they're still the edges.

Would you consider the Oppo Find 7 to be a big leap in hardware?

Oppo Find 7 Specifications (website)

5.5-inch Quad HD screen (2560 x 1440 pixels), 538 PPI
2.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 Quad Core (MSM8974AC)
32 GB internal storage
MicroSD card (expandable up to 128GB)
3 GB RAM
13 MP rear camera (capable of 50 MP photos using enhanced software)
4K video recording
3000 mAh battery with fast charge (75% charge in 30 minutes)

Honestly, it looks too good to be true. However, if some of these feature turn out well, I'd like to see the Nexus line incorporate them in a future device. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough because the Oppo Find 7 pre-order is April 7th.

 

[yfan]

Would you consider the Oppo Find 7 to be a big leap in hardware?

Oppo Find 7 Specifications (website)

5.5-inch Quad HD screen (2560 x 1440 pixels), 538 PPI
2.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 Quad Core (MSM8974AC)
32 GB internal storage
MicroSD card (expandable up to 128GB)
3 GB RAM
13 MP rear camera (capable of 50 MP photos using enhanced software)
4K video recording
3000 mAh battery with fast charge (75% charge in 30 minutes)

Honestly, it looks too good to be true. However, if some of these feature turn out well, I'd like to see the Nexus line incorporate them in a future device. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough because the Oppo Find 7 pre-order is April 7th.

It looks damn good, and it's certainly more advancement in hardware than other devices. But I am not sure I'd call it a leap. In this sort of time frame a year or two ago processor speed, RAM and screen resolutions would double - not so here.

But damn I like the device.

 

[dkhmwilliams]

It looks damn good, and it's certainly more advancement in hardware than other devices. But I am not sure I'd call it a leap. In this sort of time frame a year or two ago processor speed, RAM and screen resolutions would double - not so here.

But damn I like the device.

I would agree with you. I also believe we are getting to the point where we don't need such leaps in processing power because software is being optimized better.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

[yfan]

I would agree with you. I also believe we are getting to the point where we don't need such leaps in processing power because software is being optimized better.

Sent from my Nexus 5

Agreed.

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[LeoRex]

I would agree with you. I also believe we are getting to the point where we don't need such leaps in processing power because software is being optimized better.

Well... it is also about perceived performance. Who cares about benchmarks when the actual difference isn't all that great. That Quad HD display is utterly useless on a 5.5" display. The PERCEIVED difference in performance between the 805 and the 800 isn't going to be huge... granted, I am sure the benchmarks will show a marked increase in processing power, but in real world performance, not so much.

The 8xx crew out there now... the Nexus 5, M8, Note 3, G2... these are blazing fast phones... you click on an app and it launches right quick... if the 805 is 5 or 10% faster, is anyone going to notice? It isn't like a couple of years ago when the new generation of phone launched an app in 2 seconds where it was 4 or 5 seconds before....

The future is cameras and battery life.... Cameras still have a ways to go, but progress there will be hard because they are all still limited by those tiny little lenses... at the end of the day, that will always be the limiting factor. And second... most important..... Power.... Its clear that battery technology evolves at a snail's pace.... so unless there is some revolutionary new tech that dramatically increases the amount of power they can store in a certain form factor, it is up to the hardware guys to figure out how to be more efficient with their power consumption.

So they can stuff their 4K displays and new processors... if someone gives hands me a phone that peforms like my Nexus 5 and they say "Oh, yeah, you can get like 3 days out of a charge where you now only get 1"

THAT would be big leap.

 

[dkhmwilliams]

I don't mind the battery performance of my smartphone now and there are other devices that are markedly better in that department. I feel the same way about my phone's camera. Before camera phones, I took pictures on a Kodak disposable camera. The pictures I get from my phone are a million times better. So I'm a happy camper right now.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

[Scott7217]

That Quad HD display is utterly useless on a 5.5" display.

So, if the HTC One M8 came with quad HD instead of a 1080p display, would you consider that to be a poor design choice? What if the next Nexus phone had quad HD? Would you refuse to buy a Nexus phone that had it?

 

[Scott7217]

The 8xx crew out there now... the Nexus 5, M8, Note 3, G2... these are blazing fast phones... you click on an app and it launches right quick... if the 805 is 5 or 10% faster, is anyone going to notice? It isn't like a couple of years ago when the new generation of phone launched an app in 2 seconds where it was 4 or 5 seconds before....

I suppose most people would buy their phones on a 2-year contract, so their phones have to deal with apps that may need greater processing power down the line. Things may run smoothly at the start of the contract, but we have no guarantee that it will always be that way near the end of a contract. In that case, it's better to have the best processor you can possibly get.

 

[LeoRex]

So, if the HTC One M8 came with quad HD instead of a 1080p display, would you consider that to be a poor design choice?

I would... it wouldn't deter me from buying a quad hd phone, but I fear that once one releases one, they all will. And I think their efforts would be better served focusing on another area. We don't need 4k displays on phones.



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[rrballer11]

Hopefully the next nexus is as great as this one and also stays in the same price range

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[Shilohcane]

Do put everything in prospective, just like you don't care about samsung's app, there are people love it. There are also alot of people care about removable battery, longer battery life, vivid color, expandable storage, etc, etc.

"Marginally better than Nexus 5", right, do speak for yourself.

Anyone with a guitar pick can replace a Nexus 5 battery in under 10 minutes. I even found a local store that will do it for you on cell phones.

 

[Scott7217]

I would... it wouldn't deter me from buying a quad hd phone, but I fear that once one releases one, they all will. And I think their efforts would be better served focusing on another area. We don't need 4k displays on phones.

I think the best solution is to offer more than one choice and let the customers decide what they want. If HTC offered a phone with a 4K display, they should also offer a 1080p version for people who don't want 4K. Google should do the same with the next Nexus phone. Who knows, maybe people will like 4K on a phone once they see it in person.

You mentioned camera and battery life in a previous post. Is there a way to stimulate more research and development in these areas so that the next phone that comes out has a better camera and longer battery life?

 

[JeffDenver]

Well... it is also about perceived performance. Who cares about benchmarks when the actual difference isn't all that great. That Quad HD display is utterly useless on a 5.5" display.

I don't think it is completely useless. While 400ppi+ is plenty IMO, the "real" threshold for not seeing pixels for the human eye is somewhere above 600 or 700ppi. So if you want a true pixelless display, it needs to be in that range or higher.

Not saying that a display that sharp is really necessary, but more is not a bad thing all else being equal.

 

[LeoRex]

I don't think it is completely useless. While 400ppi+ is plenty IMO, the "real" threshold for not seeing pixels for the human eye is somewhere above 600 or 700ppi. So if you want a true pixelless display, it needs to be in that range or higher.

That might be true (there's a suprising amount of debate on the subject), but the difference between a full HD, 'quad HD' and 4K display.... What's the gain? The 445 dpi on the Nexus 5 is EXTREMELY sharp. An full HD was good enough for Samsung to stick with that size for the S5, so good on them.

I know, I know... more is better... But are we gaining anything other an ability to win "My DPI is higher than YOURS, nyah nyah" arguements?

 

[JeffDenver]

I know, I know... more is better... But are we gaining anything other an ability to win "My DPI is higher than YOURS, nyah nyah" arguements?

If all else is equal, then yeah. I think so. If I had a choice between a very sharp display or a pixelless display, and everything else was equal, I would choose the latter.

 

[Scott7217]

The M8 is a great device. Premium finish, great software, amazing looks. But it has nothing to wow people into buying - especially not from the Nexus community.

Perhaps the Google Play edition of the M8 is something that would appeal to Nexus owners.

 

[dkhmwilliams]

Perhaps the Google Play edition of the M8 is something that would appeal to Nexus owners.

Similar experience for almost twice the cost. No thanks.


Sent from my Gold iPhone 5S. The "S" is for sexy.

 

[Scott7217]

Similar experience for almost twice the cost. No thanks.


Sent from my Gold iPhone 5S. The "S" is for sexy.

It's definitely not for everyone, but it is an option. Remember, not every phone can be a Google Play edition phone. Google selects only a few for that honor. As for the pricing, it is consistent with other phones in the market. High-end smartphones typically cost around $700 off-contract.

 

[LeoRex]

Perhaps the Google Play edition of the M8 is something that would appeal to Nexus owners.

Yeah... not sure about that... it'd be twice the cost and not a lot to show for it other than a fancy suit.