what legitimate defense does HTC have for putting MicroSD card slot in the One for just one country?

[BigDinCA]

You have yet to make the case for why I can't have what I want.

Because nobody makes it, apparently.

 

[Topgonzo]

...the Nexus isn't Android standard? Then what's the point of the Nexus line?
Android standard (as in, the recommended implementation) is on-screen buttons. The guidelines are the bare minimum, as you alluded to in discussing the menu button.

Edit: if we're quibbling about semantic meaning of "standard" that's pretty boring. But lord knows the internet loves playing gotcha.

Ok....the world is constantly changing...I'm the day people thought that the idea of having movies on vcr at home was crazy!
The future of technology is being redefined yearly, monthly, weekly, even daily. That's part of innovation and progress..
For some people like my father it's difficult to embrace change...you get used to something then it's taken away..we get used to a job then the operating system changes..
We need to move forward and learn that the future is about being paperless..consuming less..being more efficient.
The sd card was awesome in the day..I was there! I used tons and the bigger the better. I stored everything on it...I also remember bugs with phones...updating constantly. Things not running as smooth as they could..here we are evolving into a new generation of communications and we as individuals can either embrace change and educate our selves or we can stand in that small minority of a crowd that stomps their feet and says "I refuse to change so I'll be left behind!"
Learn things now and be open to new ideas because one day in the future you may not have a choice.

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[tekhna]

Ok....the world is constantly changing...I'm the day people thought that the idea of having movies on vcr at home was crazy!
The future of technology is being redefined yearly, monthly, weekly, even daily. That's part of innovation and progress..
For some people like my father it's difficult to embrace change...you get used to something then it's taken away..we get used to a job then the operating system changes..
We need to move forward and learn that the future is about being paperless..consuming less..being more efficient.
The sd card was awesome in the day..I was there! I used tons and the bigger the better. I stored everything on it...I also remember bugs with phones...updating constantly. Things not running as smooth as they could..here we are evolving into a new generation of communications and we as individuals can either embrace change and educate our selves or we can stand in that small minority of a crowd that stomps their feet and says "I refuse to change so I'll be left behind!"
Learn things now and be open to new ideas because one day in the future you may not have a choice.

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Holy what?

 

[JHBThree]

...the Nexus isn't Android standard? Then what's the point of the Nexus line?
Android standard (as in, the recommended implementation) is on-screen buttons. The guidelines are the bare minimum, as you alluded to in discussing the menu button.

Edit: if we're quibbling about semantic meaning of "standard" that's pretty boring. But lord knows the internet loves playing gotcha.

No, it isn't. The standard is home and back button as the absolute minimum, and they can be capacitive or on screen buttons.

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[sergeantandroid]

what legitimate defense does HTC have for putting MicroSD card slot in the One for just one country?
(while the rest of the world get HTC One phones without MicroSD slots)

(1) cost
(2) demand by Google
(3) kowtowing to the commies
(4) bloody doesn't care
(5) taking customers for granted
(6) want to have negative quarterly report in a few months
(7) lack of space on the phone
(8) don't want to make moeny by seling more One phones
(9) aesthetics
(10) all of the above

Maybe they're taking a page out of Google's book. Google said that they believed that including a micro-sd option was "too confusing" for many users because then your information is split into two places, your sd card and your internal memory. To translate, Google thinks people are stupid, so does HTC.

 

[GadgetGator]

You're trolling a forum using a topic that's been discussed ad nauseum for a phone you have no intention of buying. Move along.

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No intention of buying? Not even close to being true. I wouldn't be here if I wasn't considering this device. I just love how some people are so arrogant that they think they know what other people will or will not do and think they can bully other people around. Well, you can't.

 

[EverNap]

No, it isn't. The standard is home and back button as the absolute minimum, and they can be capacitive or on screen buttons.

Any source link for that? I've been googling around for that, but haven't found anything. Thanks

 

[Aquila]

What do you mean Android doesn't support it? You mean Google discouraging it? I don't know that I consider that a legitimate reason but I would love to hear what other ones that you think there are. As for Google, I don't know why that should be a concern to an end user who needs more storage. It's not like companies cannot still make devices with microSD cards in them. Including last year's best selling Android device. With that many sold, and the Note having one, and this year's S4, that's a WHOLE lot of devices. So your comment is puzzling. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for wanting more storage too. For us people on Sprint, cloud storage for movies, photos, music, whatever isn't a very good option as their network is very poor. I am hoping the switch to LTE fixes that issue, but that's going to take years to build out so who knows what things will end up looking like. In the here and now though, streaming things is NOT an option. Been there, tried it, didn't work. So that means either liimiting myself to a small subset of my collection, or use a device with additional storage. It really makes a difference.

Additionally, not all people in the world have unlimited data plans. So for those people, local storage is incredibly important. I honestly do not know why you would want to purposely limit your storage options. There could have been a nice little spring loaded slot which wouldn't have ruined the look at all. Instead we get limitations. Why?

The code to support SD Cards is not in Android. The OEM's that choose to include it have to add it themselves. TouchWiz is based on Android, but is modified.

 

[GadgetGator]

The code to support SD Cards is not in Android. The OEM's that choose to include it have to add it themselves. TouchWiz is based on Android, but is modified.

Got it. Thanks. To be clear, I am cool with SDcard tech being dumped ultimately, but I want decent sized (for me) storage options that aren't limited to a certin carrier either. Just like options on cars, I see no reason why there shouldn't be different options for people willing to pay for them. A low end, middle, and high end...small, med, large if you prefer. One size doesn't fit all in most things in life. So it's strange that people think everyone should fit in one box when it comes to phones.

 

[Aquila]

Got it. Thanks. To be clear, I am cool with SDcard tech being dumped ultimately, but I want decent sized (for me) storage options that aren't limited to a certin carrier either. Just like options on cars, I see no reason why there shouldn't be different options for people willing to pay for them. A low end, middle, and high end...small, med, large if you prefer. One size doesn't fit all in most things in life. So it's strange that people think everyone should fit in one box when it comes to phones.

With as cheap as internal storage is, I'm not sure why we're not seeing 128 or 256GB internal storage devices.

 

[zkSharks]

Source, please.

Yes, the button layout on the HTC One sucks. But IIRC, it meets the recommended guidelines (which are only not to use a menu button)

...the Nexus isn't Android standard? Then what's the point of the Nexus line?
Android standard (as in, the recommended implementation) is on-screen buttons. The guidelines are the bare minimum, as you alluded to in discussing the menu button.

Edit: if we're quibbling about semantic meaning of "standard" that's pretty boring. But lord knows the internet loves playing gotcha.

Yeah, it is curious. I did some quick googling and I don't see anything clearly spelled out.

In any case, yeah, MicroSD sucks. Selling the 64gb model as an exclusive sucks even more.

There is a lack of information about Google's stance on traditional hardware navigation elements, though they do state the following on the Compatibility page in the Android Design Guidelines:

Significant changes in Android 3.0 included:

• Deprecation of navigation hardware keys (Back, Menu, Search, Home) in favor of handling navigation via virtual controls (Back, Home, Recents).
• Robust pattern for the use of menus in action bars.

Android 4.0 brings these changes for tablets to the phone platform.

As a developer and UI/UX designer, I've interpreted the Action Bar UX, switch to on-screen buttons, and the above statement to mean more or less the following: having three on-display buttons for the 'home', 'back', and 'multitasking' functions is the recommended manufacturing/build decision officially supported by the Android documentation, but traditional hardware navigation elements remain supported to appease users/developers/manufacturers concerned with compatibility as well as manufacturers who wish to use hardware navigation elements as a design element (as HTC has done) or for other reasons.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

With as cheap as internal storage is, I'm not sure why we're not seeing 128 or 256GB internal storage devices.

The appropriate NAND has just recently been developed. 64gb is the largest capacity available on a single chip. So basically, physical size is the limiting factor right now.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Follow the link. Go to the Compatibility Definition Document section. The very last line in that section is a link to the hardware guidelines.

https://source.android.com/compatibility/overview.html

 

[zkSharks]

Follow the link. Go to the Compatibility Definition Document section. The very last line in that section is a link to the hardware guidelines.

https://source.android.com/compatibility/overview.html

That's what I was looking for earlier and couldn't find, thanks.

 

[Aquila]

The appropriate NAND has just recently been developed. 64gb is the largest capacity available on a single chip. So basically, physical size is the limiting factor right now.

I am not looking for excuses, just get it done!

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

That's what I was looking for earlier and couldn't find, thanks.

Was just talking to Jerry about this earlier. I had it handy.

We were looking for proof that HTC broke the guidelines with the button arrangement on the One. It appears that with the way it's worded currently that they didn't, but they did choose an ugly solution (the black bar is the way they decided to handle "menu").


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[zkSharks]

Was just talking to Jerry about this earlier. I had it handy.

We were looking for proof that HTC broke the guidelines with the button arrangement on the One. It appears that with the way it's worded currently that they didn't, but they did choose an ugly solution (the black bar is the way they decided to handle "menu").

The big problem with the 'menu' functionality remains developers who aren't practicing good development habits or haven't updated their apps, and it frustrates me. Manufacturers who include some sort of fixed menu button are worse at this point in my opinion. I know Dylan agrees; I remember him and I talking about it with the S3 (S4? can't remember) extensively.

I don't buy hardware that is partially built around deprecated software practices. That's just my take on it, though.

Edit: I like the rather minimalistic button style HTC developed for its capacitive buttons, and I wouldn't mind seeing it stick around if it includes all three (home/back/multi).

 

[Led Zappa]

Got it. Thanks. To be clear, I am cool with SDcard tech being dumped ultimately, but I want decent sized (for me) storage options that aren't limited to a certin carrier either. Just like options on cars, I see no reason why there shouldn't be different options for people willing to pay for them. A low end, middle, and high end...small, med, large if you prefer. One size doesn't fit all in most things in life. So it's strange that people think everyone should fit in one box when it comes to phones.

You can get many options on cars. What you can't get is a V8 that gets 40 miles to the gallon. You need to compromise one or the other. Right now HTC fit what it could into a form factor they believe is ideal. I for one agree with their decisions.

 

[zkSharks]

You can get many options on cars. What you can't get is a V8 that gets 40 miles to the gallon. You need to compromise one or the other. Right now HTC fit what it could into a form factor they believe is ideal. I for one agree with their decisions.

That reminds me of the whole build-your-own-Motorola-X-phone rumor. If done right, it's awesome. If done poorly, it would be the spawn of untold fragmentation. I would agree with you though, that in this case not having external storage options is just fine. That's the direction things are heading, and eventually streaming will be a viable replacement for local media without the time delays, battery hit, and data cap usage that we deal with right now (to varying extents).

 

[GadgetGator]

That reminds me of the whole build-your-own-Motorola-X-phone rumor. If done right, it's awesome. If done poorly, it would be the spawn of untold fragmentation. I would agree with you though, that in this case not having external storage options is just fine. That's the direction things are heading, and eventually streaming will be a viable replacement for local media without the time delays, battery hit, and data cap usage that we deal with right now (to varying extents).

That's all great...for the future. But as you just pointed out, we are not there yet. And that's what bugs me. I feel that manufactures are putting the cart before the horse and dropping external storage before larger expanded internal storage is viable or before we have networks without the congestion and data cap nightmares that our cell system has become in the United States. We are in a growing pains phase that is very frustrating for the consumer. And it could (and should) be better then that.