What, no removable battery on the Note 8?

[gpatrick15]

The Note 4 was released in 2014. People complaining about the non removable battery are operating under the false notion that battery tech hasn't improved since 2014.

 

[Isaiah Peterson]

There is more reason to desire a removable battery than to just easily replace worn out batteries. If you are using the phone heavily and don't have time to charge, being able to quickly swap in a second, fully charged battery is very useful. There may be other ways to extend battery life, but they are not as convenient.

 

[chanchan05]

Per Samsung, after 2 years of daily charging the battery in the S8, S8+ and Note 8 should maintain 95% of its original capacity. That's 5% degradation over 2 years. I think a non-removable battery will be fine.

That's for a charge cycle of 85% discharge depth, from 100% down to probably 15% (when charge battery warning notification comes up). But did you know that using a discharge depth cycle of only 50% triples the cycles?

If a discharge depth of 85% gives you say 700 cycles for 700 days or almost two years to reach 5% deterioration, then a discharge depth of 50% should give you about 2100 cycles over 1050 days (since you charge twice a day) or almost 3 years before it deteriorates by 5%.

Lesson, plug your phone in when it hits 50%.

 

[toenail_flicker]

No removable battery = no go.

Apparently not learned the lessons of Galaxy 7.

yeah. surprised here too.

 

[jlost]

Every heard of ZeroLemon? they provide replacement batteries, an alternative to OEM. Mugen and others also.

Ever heard of concept of having a backup battery? I wouldn't send anything anywhere, but wait for an upgraded battery to arrive while using an aftermarket one.

Galaxy 7, that was an expensive lesson.

How much bulk does it add?

 

[Dark Pixels ll]

There is more reason to desire a removable battery than to just easily replace worn out batteries. If you are using the phone heavily and don't have time to charge, being able to quickly swap in a second, fully charged battery is very useful. There may be other ways to extend battery life, but they are not as convenient.

Agreed. But those day unfortunately, are over.

 

[svtcobra]

I still use both of my Note 4's. I bought them on day one. I have had ZERO battery problems. Yes, they still have the original batteries! My S7E is an OK phone. No battery problems. The 2 Note 7's were awesomeness. I never had a battery problem with either.. I did keep them to the last second of the recall. I traded 1 for the V20. OK phone, zero problems except for battery life. OMG

 

[ajb1965]

I still use both of my Note 4's. I bought them on day one. I have had ZERO battery problems. Yes, they still have the original batteries! My S7E is an OK phone. No battery problems. The 2 Note 7's were awesomeness. I never had a battery problem with either.. I did keep them to the last second of the recall. I traded 1 for the V20. OK phone, zero problems except for battery life. OMG

My wife is still trucking along with her Note 4, barely. It was a GREAT phone back in 2014 when it came out, but it's past its prime now. We've gone through about 10 batteries over the last 4 years as well.

I get why people lament the loss of removable batteries, but all the griping in the world isn't going to bring them back. With quick charging and battery packs and consumer demand for water resistance, it's just not economical for companies to continue down that road. Besides, why have to go through the "Let me call you back in five minutes, I need to swap out my battery" when you can just plug in your battery pack and keep on??

 

[svtcobra]

Nice logical post (for a change) That's a lot of batteries! Were they all original Samsung? I did breathe some new life into my Note 4's. I was going trade for the Note 5, and decided I didn't want that phone. By chance, I unwittingly I decided that before I ever traded or sold one, that I would TOTALLY destroy every shred of my info and data. (bad people can still access a lot of that even after a factory reset) Step 1. Encrypt the Phone! Memory card doesn't matter if you take it out before you sell/trade it. Step 2. Reboot, and then enter the WRONG unlock code 10 to 14 times. I don't remember how many. It will let you know. You are now guaranteed that everything that was, isn't anymore. No chance of recovery! Restore a backup if you decided to make one. I started fresh, and Zooommm it flys like new! Now there's no corrupt or buggy data leftover to mess you up!

 

[L0n3N1nja]

There is more reason to desire a removable battery than to just easily replace worn out batteries. If you are using the phone heavily and don't have time to charge, being able to quickly swap in a second, fully charged battery is very useful. There may be other ways to extend battery life, but they are not as convenient.

I find spare batteries inconvenient, I never remember to carry it with me, need to go to another room to grab it, and deal with removing the phone case. Much easier to just set my phone on a wireless charging pad, or when in a hurry a fast charger. My phone isn't glued to my hands, very simple to keep it charged during the day.

But to each their own.

 

[Iva_LadyDiCaprio98]

The days of removable batteries are long over. I carry a Samsung external battery pack when I'm out of the house and would end up needing to charge. Besides, the past phones that had removable batteries looked cheap and tacky. They didn't look premium at all. Now, they make the phones look sleek and more like the flagship phones that they are. There is no reason for any phone manufacturing company to go back to removable batteries. That era has long since ended. It's like them bringing back VHS tapes and cassette tapes instead of offering digital versions. Same concept. Times are different now and it's only gonna move forward, not backward.

 

[dlgus]

The thing about fixed, non-user replaceable batteries that is the phone is planned obsolescence. The Li-ion cell can only take so many charges. Maybe 1000-1500 cycles. but its performance begins to degrade whether you use it or not, even just sitting there, charged. So after a year of charging and discharging, x number of cycles, it won't work at an optimum level like new. It won't fail but will have reduced capacity versus a new Li-ion.

So you buy this nice expensive phone that retails like a laptop for $900 or something and then you have to upgrade to Galaxy Note 10 in a few years when it comes out. Instead of just installing a newer battery.

No reason why a phone cannot last for 5 years, for those who refuse the buy-new - throw away cycle.

I don't disagree with you...I bought a new battery for my N4, while in the middle of the N7 debacle. It runs like the superstar it is.
That said, here is my take on it...I plan to keep my N8 for at least 3 yrs, which puts me in N11 territory. The phone will be paid off and out of warranty, so if it needs a battery, I will get one...go to one of the stores, pay someone to open and replace.

 

[Golfdriver97]

This has been a growing trend. Is it planned obsolescence? Yes. But this has been the case since nearly day one. You can't replace most of the other hardware components like the SoC, and RAM, so why should the battery really be any different?

The only device that I knew of that truly countered this was Project Ara.

 

[LegalAmerican]

Note 4. I got a new Note last year and it runs just fine. There are tons of NIB, cheap Note 4 models.

It's time for me to move past the Samsung idea. LG V20, here I come. Maybe V30.

Never understood why people need to jump into a forum to tell everyone that they're not buying the phone and are going to buy something else. No one here cares and it changes nothing. Enjoy your V30, I'm sure it'll be a great option.

 

[LegalAmerican]

The thing about fixed, non-user replaceable batteries that is the phone is planned obsolescence. The Li-ion cell can only take so many charges. Maybe 1000-1500 cycles. but its performance begins to degrade whether you use it or not, even just sitting there, charged. So after a year of charging and discharging, x number of cycles, it won't work at an optimum level like new. It won't fail but will have reduced capacity versus a new Li-ion.

So you buy this nice expensive phone that retails like a laptop for $900 or something and then you have to upgrade to Galaxy Note 10 in a few years when it comes out. Instead of just installing a newer battery.

No reason why a phone cannot last for 5 years, for those who refuse the buy-new - throw away cycle.

Just a heads up, I own the Note 4 and I have a total of 3 batteries for it. Each battery is showing signs of failure because my device shuts off at 30-40% left. One of the batteries is only about 8 months old, too. So you can't just buy a new battery and solve the problem. Those batteries are only manufactured for so long, and then the last of them on the shelves will still be old batteries that aren't quite like new. Also, my screen has developed dead spots where it can't register the finger input. So don't act like removable batteries solve the problem of planned obsolescence. It may help, but in about 3 years any device manufactured these days will be failing.

 

[Deke218]

The thing about fixed, non-user replaceable batteries that is the phone is planned obsolescence. The Li-ion cell can only take so many charges. Maybe 1000-1500 cycles. but its performance begins to degrade whether you use it or not, even just sitting there, charged. So after a year of charging and discharging, x number of cycles, it won't work at an optimum level like new. It won't fail but will have reduced capacity versus a new Li-ion.

So you buy this nice expensive phone that retails like a laptop for $900 or something and then you have to upgrade to Galaxy Note 10 in a few years when it comes out. Instead of just installing a newer battery.

No reason why a phone cannot last for 5 years, for those who refuse the buy-new - throw away cycle.

They have the places - you can Google it - that can replace the battery in just about any device.

 

[Deke218]

Never understood why people need to jump into a forum to tell everyone that they're not buying the phone and are going to buy something else. No one here cares and it changes nothing. Enjoy your V30, I'm sure it'll be a great option.

Misery loves company.

 

[eshropshire]

Note 4. I got a new Note last year and it runs just fine. There are tons of NIB, cheap Note 4 models.

It's time for me to move past the Samsung idea. LG V20, here I come. Maybe V30.

The LG V30 has a sealed battery just like the G6.

 

[Doug Moffat]

I loved the Note 4. Gosh, I loved the Note 3. I think the Note 5 is a fabulous phone and use it every nite when I cast my S8+ to the TV. However I believe the Note 5 was the beginning of the end of Note line as a Workhorse.

Battery ain't coming back to my eternal sorrow. I blame Apple and their obsession with style. So be it.

 

[shanghaichica]

What are we in 2014?

Anyway how dare they? And there's no iris scanner too. What are they playing at?