Where is the proof?

[zedorda]

What evidence is there that Verizon will not be getting another Nexus device? Other than consumer opinion I find nothing to that effect. In all business sense the Galaxy Nexus still made huge profits and was able to expose more people to the Nexus family of devices. There was less than 15% of owners that actually complained about the device and even less that actually switched it for another device.

In this case I think the money talks. Business follows profit. There will be more Nexi on Verizon IMO unless someone can somehow show some proof to back up these claims.

Source:
http://www22.verizon.com/investor/quartelyearnings.htm
http://www.samsungsecurities.com/investor/quarter_result.do?cmd=list&MenuCode=M040302
http://investor.google.com/earnings.html

 

[craigrn16]

Verizon lack of support, advertising and painfully slow update when Google has it ready a while ago. Why would Google give them another Nexus.

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[zedorda]

Verizon lack of support, advertising and painfully slow update when Google has it ready a while ago. Why would Google give them another Nexus.

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Because they are in business to make money and they made millions.

 

[Ry]

What evidence is there that Verizon will not be getting another Nexus device? Other than consumer opinion I find nothing to that effect. In all business sense the Galaxy Nexus still made huge profits and was able to expose more people to the Nexus family of devices. There was less than 15% of owners that actually complained about the device and even less that actually switched it for another device.

In this case I think the money talks. Business follows profit. There will be more Nexi on Verizon IMO unless someone can somehow show some proof to back up these claims.

Until the next Nexus comes out, we won't know. Everyone speculating is doing just that - speculating.

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[ultravisitor]

Why would Google give them another Nexus.

Because they have the best network. People complained and waited for years for the iPhone to come to Verizon. Like it or not, the network matters.

And lack of updates despite the fact that the updates have been ready? Please point out examples of other Verizon Android phones whose updates have NOT been delayed.

I'm not saying I have proof that the next Nexus will be on Verizon. I'm just saying that I think it's ridiculous for regular consumers to assume that they know one way or the other.

 

[biggbrother2]

Because they are in business to make money and they made millions.

Where is the proof that "they made millions"? I haven't even seen a reputable source indicating how many Verizon Galaxy Nexus were even sold...

 

[pool_shark]

Where is the evidence that only <15% of users complained?

 

[zedorda]

Where is the evidence that only <15% of users complained?

It is a commonly held statistical threshold of product success. No respectable publication has ever stated this product a failure. So in the business sense it is as safe to say as the sky is blue.

 

[ragnarokx]

If Sprint can get two Nexus phones (Nexus S4G/Galaxy Nexus), I have an doubt Verizon will as well.

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[E.T.]

With all due respect, this seems like a pretty silly, argument-inducing thread. Zedorda, did you know that I put a teapot into orbit somewhere between the Earth and Mars? Don't believe me? Too bad! Show me proof that there isn't a teapot floating out there in space! I demand proof now!

People are obviously stating their opinion that the next Nexus phone may not come to Verizon. And they should be entitled to that opinion.

If we are going on facts, I'm not aware that Verizon has released any information about their "millions of sales" or that there were "less than 15% of customers complaining." So that's a pretty weak rationale.

What we do know is that there have been 3 nexus phones released so far. 1 has come to Verizon. Does this mean anything? Not necessarily. But people are entitled to go with the odds if they want to - no reason to get mad or shift the burden to others to prove something for you.

 

[CA1NE]

I don't care who gets the next nexus. If it's way way way better than my galaxy nexus I'll go wherever it is.

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[jroc]

Where is the evidence that only <15% of users complained?

Maybe he means forum polls?

Where is the proof that "they made millions"? I haven't even seen a reputable source indicating how many Verizon Galaxy Nexus were even sold...

Exactly..and even tho this is one persons, firms stats....it was 3rd behind the iPhone and Maxx...

Just which smartphone is the top seller at Verizon?

I'm not doubting they made millions....but at least 1 firm has it in 3rd place for sales on Verizon. And 2nd for Android phones. I'm sorry.....but pure Google experience...vs massive stock battery? Guess which one is easier to push to the masses....

At the same time.....thats good for the G Nex considering the Rezound was also released around the same time.

 

[ultravisitor]

People are obviously stating their opinion that the next Nexus phone may not come to Verizon.

Actually, no. Just looking at the posts in existing threads should make it clear that to some people it is NOT obvious that some people are only expressing an opinion.

I don't think there's anything wrong with having an opinion -- so long as it's clear that it is, indeed, an opinion. But as soon as people start acting like what they're saying is a fact and other people start believing it, I get really annoyed.

 

[zedorda]

With all due respect, this seems like a pretty silly, argument-inducing thread. Zedorda, did you know that I put a teapot into orbit somewhere between the Earth and Mars? Don't believe me? Too bad! Show me proof that there isn't a teapot floating out there in space! I demand proof now!

People are obviously stating their opinion that the next Nexus phone may not come to Verizon. And they should be entitled to that opinion.

If we are going on facts, I'm not aware that Verizon has released any information about their "millions of sales" or that there were "less than 15% of customers complaining." So that's a pretty weak rationale.

What we do know is that there have been 3 nexus phones released so far. 1 has come to Verizon. Does this mean anything? Not necessarily. But people are entitled to go with the odds if they want to - no reason to get mad or shift the burden to others to prove something for you.

I think you completely miss what I was hoping this thread might clear up. I was hoping the thread might help people notice that the only thing that is going to effect if Verizon gets another Nexus is profit not customer opinion. I do statistical analysis in my job and you would be shocked how accurate non-fact based statics can be as long as you use the right formulas.

But saying "Verizon will never get another Nexus device" is not an opinion. Saying "I don't think Verizon will ever get another Nexus device" is an opinion. This thread is not meant for the latter. This thread is meant for those that actually believe their opinion is a fact and say the former.

I was hoping someone had that opinion because of something outside their own opinion and would be able to point it out. Like a public survey or maybe Forbes did a page about how Verizon made a huge business blunder with the Galaxy Nexus.

 

[E.T.]

Actually, no. Just looking at the posts in existing threads should make it clear that to some people it is NOT obvious that some people are only expressing an opinion.

I don't think there's anything wrong with having an opinion -- so long as it's clear that it is, indeed, an opinion. But as soon as people start acting like what they're saying is a fact and other people start believing it, I get really annoyed.

I cant speak for everyone, but you may very well be right - maybe a few knuckleheads think that they KNOW what's going to happen. I havent read every thread, I just visit here occasionally. But I think my point still stands - from the threads I have read, the majority of people are simply stating their opinions.

Basically - I think you and I are on the same page - we agree regardless of what your opinion is, having the OPINION is fine, claiming it as the truth when we have no real idea is not cool. Fair statement?

 

[E.T.]

I think you completely miss what I was hoping this thread might clear up. I was hoping the thread might help people notice that the only thing that is going to effect if Verizon gets another Nexus is profit not customer opinion. I do statistical analysis in my job and you would be shocked how accurate non-fact based statics can be as long as you use the right formulas.

I think it is silly to claim to know what Verizon's strategic objectives are. It might be money. But I dont think VZ makes much profit from phone sales, because they are highly subsidized - instead, they make big money on the contract. VZ could want to bring in a phone for different purposes - for instance, because of their "Droid" branding license with LucasArts, VZ could want a phone from Motorola, to continue pushing the Droid-Verizon brand. Or it could have ordered the original Thunderbolt from HTC to begin pushing people to its LTE network.

Similarly, VZ might NOT want another nexus phone because of any sort reason, money or not. The Nexus may not fit in with Verizon's strategic objectives, and if so, they may not sell it. After all, they originally were going to sell the original Nexus One, only to eventually drop out of that. Why? We have no idea - but clearly Google's strategic objectives at the time (get rid of carrier contracts by selling contract-free Nexi from its Google Store) conflicted with Verizon's.

I was hoping someone had that opinion because of something outside their own opinion and would be able to point it out. Like a public survey or maybe Forbes did a page about how Verizon made a huge business blunder with the Galaxy Nexus.

See above. JRoc posted you a link to an outside document, citing high sales for the Razr.

 

[zedorda]

See above. JRoc posted you a link to an outside document, citing high sales for the Razr.

It cites high sales for all 3 IPhone, Razr, and Nexus. So because it is the 3rd best selling phone on Verizon supports the opinion that Verizon will never get another Nexus?

Nice how you bloated that post with so many points that are profit based. There is not a single choice any business makes that is not tied to profit directly or indirectly. Any choice made that does not consider profit first is a bad choice by any means for a company and more so if there are shareholders involved.

I will not reply to your posts any longer within this thread because all your posts have been pushing to inflame the subject(everyone else has been able to control themselves) and haven't offered anything to the subject of value.

Thanks for proving the pointless behavior of speculation.

I think my Activity Meter should point to how much of this place I have read.

Source now included with OP.

 

[E.T.]

It cites high sales for all 3 IPhone, Razr, and Nexus. So because it is the 3rd best selling phone on Verizon supports the opinion that Verizon will never get another Nexus?

You asked for someone to provide an article "outside their own opinion." Jroc did that. You may not like it or agree with it, but that's not really the point. The question was, is there evidence out there to support a certain point of view about the nexus. Jroc here pointed to some evidence out there for people to believe that yes, the nexus may not come to Verizon again. Im sorry you dont like this.

Nice how you bloated that post with so many points that are profit based. There is not a single choice any business makes that is not tied to profit directly or indirectly. Any choice made that does not consider profit first is a bad choice by any means for a company and more so if there are shareholders involved.

You are right. Of course, in the end, all corporations are designed for one end goal, and that is to make profit. I agree with you 100% on this point. What I was trying to say, though, is that corporations have different strategies to make those profits. So, for example, if Verizon feels that the Nexus line somehow undercuts its ability to make profits in the future (for example, google promoting non-contract Nexi), it is possible that VZ may decide not to offer the phone. We simply dont know. We dont know what goes on up in those board rooms.

all your posts have been pushing to inflame the subject(everyone else has been able to control themselves) and haven't offered anything to the subject of value.

I do not mean to inflame at all. My posts have all been directly on point - you created a thread asking for people to provide you "proof." People then send you articles and facts. But you havent answered any of the questions posed by others:

1. Why should the burden be on people who dont believe Verizon will carry the next Nexus? This thread is the equivalent of me saying: I have a teapot in space. Prove me wrong, or otherwise it must be true!

2. Do you agree or disagree that Verizon doesn't make much profit on phones due to subsidies?

3. Do you agree or disagree that Verizon's profit-making may involve other strategies besides just selling phones? (for instance, 2 year contracts, movement from 3g to LTE).

4. Where is your source for your statement "There was less than 15% of owners that actually complained about the device" ?

5. Where is your source for "they made millions"?

Seems to me you are using some weak logic. For example, you state, "No respectable publication has ever stated this product a failure. So in the business sense it is as safe to say as the sky is blue." Uh....really? Really?

 

[vivek615]

It cites high sales for all 3 IPhone, Razr, and Nexus. So because it is the 3rd best selling phone on Verizon supports the opinion that Verizon will never get another Nexus?

Nice how you bloated that post with so many points that are profit based. There is not a single choice any business makes that is not tied to profit directly or indirectly. Any choice made that does not consider profit first is a bad choice by any means for a company and more so if there are shareholders involved.

I will not reply to your posts any longer within this thread because all your posts have been pushing to inflame the subject(everyone else has been able to control themselves) and haven't offered anything to the subject of value.

Thanks for proving the pointless behavior of speculation.

I think my Activity Meter should point to how much of this place I have read.

Source now included with OP.

It's not that simple... overall profits are the goal.... if google fears that having nexus on Verizon could hurt the nexus line they won't.

That being said.. anyone who is paying attention will notice Google is clearly expanding the nexus line... it's likely there will be Google Play stores opening.

Googles own employees may openly express frustration for Verizon but Google has signalled far more nexus devices will be released so it would seem logical to see some on vzn.



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[Cory Streater]

I think Verizon hates the idea of an open handset being on their network, particularly one that's easily rooted and capable of circumventing their hotspot application.

I also think they see tons of money going down the toilet when they can't stuff their phones full of bloatware.

I'm guessing they don't like the idea of their customers being able to open a Developer settings screen and start tweaking settings that could ultimately lead to more support calls and/or returns.

From an outsiders point of view, it doesn't appear that Google and Verizon mix well.

I saw several statistics when I viewed the financial presentation, but customer satisfaction was not one of them. Perhaps they interpret higher revenue and increased sales as high customer satisfaction. What I do know, is that ARPU is one (if not the most important) measurement from an investor standpoint. The handset itself isn't what makes Verizon profitable, it's the revenue that's generated when it's in use. That's why tiered pricing and pay for use services are so important to them. If the Nexus stands out as being advantageous, from an ARPU standpoint, then we will absolutely see another GN on Verizon, but if Sales are any indication, they can continue pumping out devices like the Maxx and the SGIII without compromising on any of the things I mentioned above.

Zedorda, I'm glad you started this thread. The things I said are based on intuition vs. statistics, but they are also based on past experience as a Verizon customer. If history repeats itself, I too would be surprised if they sold another Nexus device. Since I became a customer in 1937, they have made one mind boggling decision after another when it comes to device releases.

On the other hand, the consumer side of me says they would be crazy not to. This is the Android phone I've always wanted from Verizon, but I don't think they care much about that.