Why do people hate the Galaxy S5?

[Ry]

Re: Why do people hate the S5?

Then why buy a SAMSUNG device? I mean yeah you could flash a ROM, but it makes zero sense when people praise samsung, say all this good stuff, but have a stock rom flashed.

Boom.

If you don't want the Samsung "experience", don't buy a Samsung. It's easy.

 

[Haalcyon]

Please tell me how the HTC One, LG G2, LG G Pro 2, and Nexus 5 were "innovative".

The most overused word when these arguments pop up.

The G2's button placement was indeed innovative as it focused on ergonomics. I think the HTC One's focus on build materials was innovative for the Android world too. The Nexus 5 is not innovative just good bang for the buck. The G Pro 2 is just a great spec'd great looking piece of kit, IMO.


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[Haalcyon]

Re: Why do people hate the S5?

Boom.

If you don't want the Samsung "experience", don't buy a Samsung. It's easy.

Exactly.


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[Almeuit]

So you haven't had reception issues, therefore metal doesn't affect reception at all? Apparently we're going with logical fallacies first.

Just saying it isn't that bad... Do you have examples? You seem to want us to provide examples to support our claims but you aren't doing the same for your claims .

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[garublador]

I didn't go more into it because it's a tired debate. So tired that I'm more than willing to say, "You're right." just to end this than respond much further to you're statement that the premium feel argument is BS.

So because you have no evidence that the technical reasons I gave are incorrect, you're the "bigger person" by conceding defeat? Even your admission of defeat is a logical fallacy.

You clearly don't understand what I wrote. I gave reasons why metal is functionally worse than the plastics they use for phones. You're saying those reasons aren't true because some people like the way metal looks and feels. The value people place on "premium feel" has nothing to do with the actual quality of the device. It's a non sequitur. That's why all you're giving are logical fallacies, you aren't even addressing the argument you claim is wrong.

 

[garublador]

Just saying it isn't that bad... Do you have examples? You seem to want us to provide examples to support our claims but you aren't doing the same for your claims .

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You want examples of how metal shields electromagnetic fields (something presented in every physics book and class that addresses electromagnetic waves), but expect your claim that your phone has the exact same signal with and without a metal case to be accepted with no evidence? Am I going to have to prove that gravity exists to support my drop claims as well?

Here's a book on electromagnetics that's been around since the 50's:

Electromagnetics - John Daniel Kraus - Google Books

Benjamin Franklin did experiments that showed this back in the mid 1700's and Michael Faraday did his famous ice pail experiment in 1843. This is a phenomenon that has been proven and is used in electromagnetic shielding in nearly every electronic product on the planet.

So, now where is your proof that adding a metal case around an antenna has no effect on its performance? Has there been some recent scientific discovery that disproves what I wrote?

 

[Haalcyon]

So because you have no evidence that the technical reasons I gave are incorrect, you're the "bigger person" by conceding defeat? Even your admission of defeat is a logical fallacy.

You clearly don't understand what I wrote. I gave reasons why metal is functionally worse than the plastics they use for phones. You're saying those reasons aren't true because some people like the way metal looks and feels. The value people place on "premium feel" has nothing to do with the actual quality of the device. It's a non sequitur. That's why all you're giving are logical fallacies, you aren't even addressing the argument you claim is wrong.

It's not that I'm the bigger person. Defeat? Were we fighting? Is this a video game? The whole reason I didn't engage further is because of that mentality. It's not worth my effort. I'm ONLY speaking to your statement that the "argument of premium feel is BS" I'm not speaking to anything you may have written before then because, honestly, it wasn't worth my time to read it. All this other stuff you're speaking of is clearly aimed at someone else as it has little to do with "the argument of premium feel is BS". All I'm saying is that the "argument of premium feel is BS" to YOU, but YOU don't represent everyone. I'm not talking about any of this other stuff you're spun yourself into.

Look, I'm not a teenager and this isn't a video game nor a battle, at least not for me. I'm sorry that's what you'd like it to be, but its not, I'm sorry. My point about "You're right." was simply that it seems to be important to you to "win" some sort of make believe argument. If so, fine, "You're right". Not because I'm the bigger person. I don't know you, nor do I have the remotest desire or need to, but because it is simply what you're writing about is not important enough to be worth my time to refute. Whether or not you think that is valid or relevant is inconsequential. Am I gonna get paid for debating with you or something? No, so why would I bother? That is why I didn't give you more of an answer initially.

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I don't need to disprove points you've made that are irrelevant to anything I'm writing about to entertain you simply because my only point is that you're not in a position to speak for "everyone", nothing more, nothing less. That should be self-evident.

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Now, back on topic. Let's give this other BS a rest. It's not my style.

You can make a premium feeling phone without using metal. The LG G2, Optimus G Pro, heck, even the iPhone 3G/GS. The important point to take though is that its is subjective, what is premium feeling. Some may even think the Motorola X, G, or S4 are "premium feeling".

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[garublador]

It's not that I'm the bigger person. Defeat? Were we fighting? Is this a video game? The whole reason I didn't engage further is because of that mentality. It's not worth my effort.

So it's not worth your effort, but you're doing it anyway?

I'm ONLY speaking to your statement that the "argument of premium feel is BS"

So you're picking out part of my argument applying it to something different (subjectdive taste rather than objective functionality). That's called a straw man argument, and it's, again, a logical fallacy. My argument is that people are choosing subjective feel over functional improvements, but you're ignoring half my argument. If you wanted to have some sort of intelligent discussion about it you would do that, but you haven't.

I'm not speaking to anything you may have written before then because, honestly, it wasn't worth my time to read it. All this other stuff you're speaking of is clearly aimed at someone else as it has little to do with "the argument of premium feel is BS". All I'm saying is that the "argument of premium feel is BS" to YOU, but YOU don't represent everyone. I'm not talking about any of this other stuff you're spun yourself into.

Again, you're arguing against something I quoted, not something I said. Rather than trying to read and understand my argument you're just saying "No because no."

Look, I'm not a teenager and this isn't a video game nor a battle, at least not for me. I'm sorry that's what you'd like it to be, but its not, I'm sorry. My point about "You're right." was simply that it seems to be important to you to "win" some sort of make believe argument. If so, fine, "You're right". Not because I'm the bigger person. I don't know you, nor do I have the remotest desire or need to, but because it is simply what you're writing about is not important enough to be worth my time. Whether or not you think that is valid or relevant is inconsequential. Am I gonna get paid for debating with you or something? No, so why would I bother? That is why I didn't give you more of an answer.

But you claimed you had more of an answer. You said you'd give me more of an answer in a snarky post, remember?

Let us know if you need further explanation as to why.

And I said that I only expected technical inaccuracies, and logical fallacies. So you either have evidence that metal doesn't shield electromagnetic waves and that added weight doesn't cause more damage in a drop, or you're using logical fallacies about how subjective taste somehow applies to this. So which is it, can you supply more than technical inaccuracies or logical fallacies, or are you actually admitting I'm right because you are unable to supply anything but those two things? Saying you won't supply me with the information you offered above because it isn't worth your time to back up your claims is just admitting the latter.

 

[Almeuit]

You want examples of how metal shields electromagnetic fields (something presented in every physics book and class that addresses electromagnetic waves), but expect your claim that your phone has the exact same signal with and without a metal case to be accepted with no evidence? Am I going to have to prove that gravity exists to support my drop claims as well?

Here's a book on electromagnetics that's been around since the 50's:

Electromagnetics - John Daniel Kraus - Google Books

Benjamin Franklin did experiments that showed this back in the mid 1700's and Michael Faraday did his famous ice pail experiment in 1843. This is a phenomenon that has been proven and is used in electromagnetic shielding in nearly every electronic product on the planet.

So, now where is your proof that adding a metal case around an antenna has no effect on its performance? Has there been some recent scientific discovery that disproves what I wrote?

Okay so you've proven what we knew.. Metal messes with it.. Now.. Prove where it does so bad that it makes making a phone out of it not work...

Remember this is a phone discussion not a science discussion on if it may effect things or not.. So if it barley messes with reception on the phone (like my HTC One) how is it so bad? Please provide evidence proving it destroys the phone and therefore is bad to make it out of metal.

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[Haalcyon]

I did respond. The argument that premium feel is BS is invalid because it's subjective. It's your opinion and cannot be anything else. Then you followed that up with, I believe, that it was BS to everyone who was objective. Do you believe that or did I read what I thought you wrote incorrectly? If I'm mistaken then okay. I'm driving but will look at what you wrote later.

I've already told you're right did I not? I mean, you win. Why is this not sufficient when it seems to be what's desired?


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[eggantom]

Many factors. My oppinion is that people expected more innovations, but Samsung didn't provide them with their new top smartphone.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Re: Why do people hate the S5?

And everyone else who's looked at it objectively.

"Feel" and "looks" to some, perhaps, but it does not show in function. Metal is not only heavier (bad for drops), but it also blocks stuff like WiFi, Bluetooth and phone radio.

So the reason to use metal is because people prefer a crappier phone that they believe looks and feels better.

I'm going to start with this statement and skip the rest of the thread, since this seems to be the beginning of the "argument".

You can't look at design or "how premium" something feels objectively. It's just not possible. Design and feel are, by their very nature, a subjective thing. It's opinion, plain and simple. To say that it's objectively bad is just wrong.

Metal does block RF signals. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. HTC has people that know this. They're called engineers. They took that into account when designing the One and made sure to allow an area for signal to pass through the metal. That's what those lines are on the back of the One. I can use my Nexus 5 (plastic) and HTC One (metal) next to each other and have no performance difference as far as wifi, BT, or network speeds are concerned. I guess those RF engineers HTC hired do know what they're doing.

As for "heavier (bad for drops)" sure....kinda. What if the material itself, while being heavier, also adds some structural rigidity and, because of its inherent strength, actually makes the phone more resistant to drops because of that? In other words, the added strength might actually outweigh the added weight in this area. Heavier != worse for drops 100% of the time.

And now I'll correct your last sentence:

"So the reason to use metal is because people prefer phones that they believe looks and feels better."

My corrected version is more accurate also, because there have been studies done both by manufacturers and marketing companies in many different industries that have determined that looks, style, and how something feels will have the biggest impact on whether people like it.

 

[dpham00]

Re: Why do people hate the S5?

I'm going to start with this statement and skip the rest of the thread, since this seems to be the beginning of the "argument".

You can't look at design or "how premium" something feels objectively. It's just not possible. Design and feel are, by their very nature, a subjective thing. It's opinion, plain and simple. To say that it's objectively bad is just wrong.

Metal does block RF signals. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. HTC has people that know this. They're called engineers. They took that into account when designing the One and made sure to allow an area for signal to pass through the metal. That's what those lines are on the back of the One. I can use my Nexus 5 (plastic) and HTC One (metal) next to each other and have no performance difference as far as wifi, BT, or network speeds are concerned. I guess those RF engineers HTC hired do know what they're doing.

As for "heavier (bad for drops)" sure....kinda. What if the material itself, while being heavier, also adds some structural rigidity and, because of its inherent strength, actually makes the phone more resistant to drops because of that? In other words, the added strength might actually outweigh the added weight in this area. Heavier != worse for drops 100% of the time.

And now I'll correct your last sentence:

"So the reason to use metal is because people prefer phones that they believe looks and feels better."

My corrected version is more accurate also, because there have been studies done both by manufacturers and marketing companies in many different industries that have determined that looks, style, and how something feels will have the biggest impact on whether people like it.

I thought that I read about while ago that the antenna was the metal strips at the top and bottom of the one? I also remember reading that the one has full diversity at top and bottom antennas.

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[xchange]

Re: Why do people hate the S5?

I prefer the TW sms, phone, contacts, and notifications panel apps - BY A MILE - over the stock android versions. YMMV

No argument from me, I'm not a big fan of Google's version of those apps either. I find them pretty bare bones compared to the added functionality the OEM's have added to theirs. I just couldn't stand the look and feel of the outdated Gingerbread elements that Samsung had left in the design of theirs for so long

 

[Savaii]

To answer the OP, people hate the S5 because Samsung is popular. There's no big mystery there.

This'd be my vote for the answer to the OP. Most of the people who hate are doing it as fanboys/fangirls would.

 

[Haalcyon]

This'd be my vote for the answer to the OP. Most of the people who hate are doing it as fanboys/fangirls would.

I don't think there's anything to hate really. Samsung may not be your preference in smartphones but with products like the Note 3 they can certainly make a solid-performing and even attractive product.


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[dmmarck]

I don't hate it, it just elicits nothing from me other than indifference. I don't like (subjective) Samsung's designs (hardware and software) and I don't see anything in the S5 that I desire. It just exists.

 

[Premium1]

Now I haven't exactly looked much into it, as I'm not a big fan of Samsung, but whats with all the hate?
1) Its not premium!!
Well it has metal sides doesn't it? Thats better then nothing, but to be honest I actually prefer that, don't like Apple or HTC One because of the all metal.
2) Ugly back?
Didn't the N7 '12 have a textured back? It was pretty well received, and they did it to reduce slippage, which is a good thing. Plus its exchangable, so what?
3) Same old, Same Old.
Not really. Samsung is refining its Touchwiz Software, not as much as we expected but its a start. The Galaxies have held the same design ish, not as close as iPhones, but its pretty much always been the same, even for the windows phones. The HTC M8 is relatively the same, and I hope the Moto X2 is the same-ish design.
4) Lack of features.
Yes I know Samsung is known for its feature packed phones. But really after all they added with the S4, I'm glad their not doing another S4. Plus if Samsung really fixed up its HR sensor, fitness apps, it would be a dream!
5) I don't know what to put here, but I felt like it needs a 5th.

Because it is samsung and now it is the cool thing to do to hate on samsung. Funny the HTC one is going to most likely have the same specs yet everyone will praise it simply because it is metal. I am not sure why everyone has such a love for aluminum for a phone but that seems to be what people like these days because it is so called *premium*

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I don't think there's anything to hate really. Samsung may not be your preference in smartphones but with products like the Note 3 they can certainly make a solid-performing and even attractive product.


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Their new tablets are pretty sweet as well.

 

[Premium1]

I don't think there's anything to hate really. Samsung may not be your preference in smartphones but with products like the Note 3 they can certainly make a solid-performing and even attractive product.


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Their new tablets are pretty sweet as well.

 

[dmmarck]

Because it is samsung and now it is the cool thing to do to hate on samsung. Funny the HTC one is going to most likely have the same specs yet everyone will praise it simply because it is metal. I am not sure why everyone has such a love for aluminum for a phone but that seems to be what people like these days because it is so called *premium*

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Their new tablets are pretty sweet as well.

Because people are subjective and certain things elicit different opinions and emotional responses. The feel of the One (and presumably M8) being one of those things.