Why does samsung screw the US market?

[return_0]

Oh funny because i see no lag on my note 2. But i sure did on phils s4 review.

Yeah, because that was a finalized product an not a pre-production unit...

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[smooth3006]

Yeah, because that was a finalized product an not a pre-production unit...

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Im betting the lag will still be there.

 

[anon5664829]

Running together would defeat the purpose behind the chip to save battery life. Besides there's plenty of things we don't need on a phone but every OEM does it because they can.


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So they shouldn't market it as a 8 core phone.

 

[spawndoodling]

Not an expert on this by any means, but does it have to do with the structure of the US market?

I have a ton of family overseas and they say the international market is a far different ballgame: phones are not subsidized, they're offered for full price, and carriers have less power in negotiating with manufacturers. International consumers are going to pay the full price for phones, somewhere near $650 I'm guessing for the 8-core version.

But here in the US, it appears to be much different. I have an inkling bigwig carriers like AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint are not so hot about subsidizing an even more expensive device, especially one they've consistently discounted to drive in more customers (e.g. Sprint selling GS3s for $50 over the Thanksgiving holiday, etc.). While the model of downgrading specs for international and domestic versions isn't the business model of everyone, I can see how Samsung may use it to its advantage.

Carriers can't subsidize the iPhone but can subsidize its biggest competitor, which also happens to be cheaper, driving in tons of customers who are tied to monthly fees for two years - where carriers really make their money (all without taking as big of a hit as they would with more expensive options). Samsung thus establishes a better working relationship with carriers, bringing their phones to more customers than before and getting even more prime marketing attention versus the iPhone (exemplary in the influx of marketing and promos Sprint did for the GS3).

Again, this depends on a ton of stuff well beyond my knowledge, but it's how I've seen it so far...

 

[The Real X Dawg]

So they shouldn't market it as a 8 core phone.

While technically it's 4+4 but Octa-Core sounds much better and still accurate because there are a total of 8 cores. Last I checked it was outright stated that one Quad core chip is for power and the other is for common tasks that doesn't need extra power. So they can market it as an 8 core phone since it has 8 cores. Nothing said Samsung has to have all 8 on 1 chip or use all 8 just for power to call it an Octa-Core.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

Oh funny because i see no lag on my note 2. But i sure did on phils s4 review.

S4 review? What exactly are you referring to? Also, if you're not running identical software with all other things being equal besides the SoC you can't call it a fair comparison. Compare a US and International version of the S3 or One X to see the difference the SoC can make.

I didn't say anything about lag, anyway, I said the Exynos 4 Quad is slower than the Octa or S600. Because it IS. Lag will have much more to do with software than hardware, honestly. I've seen lag on my Nexus 4. Not very often, but it happens on occasion. I've also seen it on a US Galaxy S3, and my AT&T One X. And the iPhone 4/4S/5 also have lag on occasion. Noticing a trend yet?

I guarantee your Note 2 has also lagged on occasion. You either haven't noticed or choose to ignore it. Lag happens because software isn't perfect.

 

[anon5664829]

While technically it's 4+4 but Octa-Core sounds much better and still accurate because there are a total of 8 cores. Last I checked it was outright stated that one Quad core chip is for power and the other is for common tasks that doesn't need extra power. So they can market it as an 8 core phone since it has 8 cores. Nothing said Samsung has to have all 8 on 1 chip or use all 8 just for power to call it an Octa-Core.

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Still misleading.

 

[TheLibertarian]

It's too funny how many people bash the 600 and crave the Octa when they've not used a device powered by either technology yet; funnier still is how poorly people understand how the Octa big.LITTLE runs (hint: you wouldn't really have an 8 core phone).

 

[The Real X Dawg]

Still misleading.

Still a total of 8 cores with their functions explained to you. Anyone mislead or can't understand that is probably the kind of person that doesn't care about the nerd stuff like spec sheets.


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[anon5664829]

It's too funny how many people bash the 600 and crave the Octa when they've not used a device powered by either technology yet; funnier still is how poorly people understand how the Octa big.LITTLE runs (hint: you wouldn't really have an 8 core phone).

That's exactly what I've been trying to say!

 

[anon5664829]

Still a total of 8 cores with their functions explained to you. Anyone mislead or can't understand that is probably the kind of person that doesn't care about the nerd stuff like spec sheets.


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Dude I said it myself it uses ARM's big.LITTLE tech it is NOT and I will repeat again for everyone's benefit NOT REALLY 8 CORES.

 

[The Real X Dawg]

Dude I said it myself it uses ARM's big.LITTLE tech it is NOT and I will repeat again for everyone's benefit NOT REALLY 8 CORES.

Are you just interested in raging over a phone's stat sheet than actually reading anything I posted?

No where did I say it was an 8 core chip and I even linked Jerry's article I read back in January about the chip so I know about the big.LITTLE tech. Samsung is free to market it as an Octa-core by adding both quads together and you're free to think it's misleading. Marketing is just marketing got to build up hype and get people talking not that big of a deal.

Now if picking the right bracket to enter my group's pool was only this easy. Third place share of the pot is more than enough to buy S4 or the One off contract. XD

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[anon5664829]

Not an expert on this by any means, but does it have to do with the structure of the US market?

I have a ton of family overseas and they say the international market is a far different ballgame: phones are not subsidized, they're offered for full price, and carriers have less power in negotiating with manufacturers. International consumers are going to pay the full price for phones, somewhere near $650 I'm guessing for the 8-core version.

But here in the US, it appears to be much different. I have an inkling bigwig carriers like AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint are not so hot about subsidizing an even more expensive device, especially one they've consistently discounted to drive in more customers (e.g. Sprint selling GS3s for $50 over the Thanksgiving holiday, etc.). While the model of downgrading specs for international and domestic versions isn't the business model of everyone, I can see how Samsung may use it to its advantage.

Carriers can't subsidize the iPhone but can subsidize its biggest competitor, which also happens to be cheaper, driving in tons of customers who are tied to monthly fees for two years - where carriers really make their money (all without taking as big of a hit as they would with more expensive options). Samsung thus establishes a better working relationship with carriers, bringing their phones to more customers than before and getting even more prime marketing attention versus the iPhone (exemplary in the influx of marketing and promos Sprint did for the GS3).

Again, this depends on a ton of stuff well beyond my knowledge, but it's how I've seen it so far...

You are correct, no carriers "subsidize" you buy the phone fully unlocked(all our carriers are GSM) or you can if you want pay a certain amount of money(depending on which plan you choose) and get it cheaper up front. Btw our carriers release an update roughly a month after the manufacturer pushes it( I have a a nexus 4 so i get updates straight from google) no carrier puts blood on our phone either and no ugly branding. The US people really need to boycott their telecommunications companies.

 

[anon5664829]

Are you just interested in raging over a phone's stat sheet than actually reading anything I posted?

No where did I say it was an 8 core chip and I even linked Jerry's article I read back in January about the chip so I know about the big.LITTLE tech. Samsung is free to market it as an Octa-core by adding both quads together and you're free to think it's misleading. Marketing is just marketing got to build up hype and get people talking not that big of a deal.

Now if picking the right bracket to enter my group's pool was only this easy. Third place share of the pot is more than enough to buy S4 or the One off contract. XD

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Fair enough, I may have not read your initial post well enough.

 

[CaneToad]

Its my understanding that the USA insists on marching to its opwn drum as always and uses a strange bastard LTE version and only the Qualcomm radios support it.

 

[JRDroid]

Does anyone care that the dual core snap dragon in the US gs3 was a much better chip than the quad core exynos, so the US didn't really get screwed last year? What if (as I highly suspect) that turns out to be the case again this year? Since the octa doesn't actually use 8 cores at once, you now have a quad core snapdragon vs. A quad core exynos. Last years exynos couldn't beat a snapdragon with half the cores. Did Samsung hire all new chip engineers, and if not why are we suddenly expecting the exynos chips to best the chips from qualcomm? [/logic&reason]

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Does anyone care that the dual core snap dragon in the US gs3 was a much better chip than the quad core exynos, so the US didn't really get screwed last year? What if (as I highly suspect) that turns out to be the case again this year? Since the octa doesn't actually use 8 cores at once, you now have a quad core snapdragon vs. A quad core exynos. Last years exynos couldn't beat a snapdragon with half the cores. Did Samsung hire all new chip engineers, and if not why are we suddenly expecting the exynos chips to best the chips from qualcomm? [/logic&reason]

Taking it one step further...we know NOTHING about how the Octa actually performs in the really world, how power consumption is, if it has any "quirks", or anything else for that matter. Everybody is guessing based on marketing tactics and a spec sheet. big.LITTLE as a whole actually falls under this catagory, too.

The S600, on the other hand, is based on a proven architecture that has proven to have excellent performance and battery life. Many, MANY Snapdragons based on the Krait architecture have found their way to devices since last year. We know what we're getting. We know what they're capable of.

I'll take the one that I KNOW will work the way it's supposed to.

 

[anon5664829]

Taking it one step further...we know NOTHING about how the Octa actually performs in the really world, how power consumption is, if it has any "quirks", or anything else for that matter. Everybody is guessing based on marketing tactics and a spec sheet. big.LITTLE as a whole actually falls under this catagory, too.

The S600, on the other hand, is based on a proven architecture that has proven to have excellent performance and battery life. Many, MANY Snapdragons based on the Krait architecture have found their way to devices since last year. We know what we're getting. We know what they're capable of.

I'll take the one that I KNOW will work the way it's supposed to.

LOGIC omg is this really happening?

 

[bdog421]

Does anyone care that the dual core snap dragon in the US gs3 was a much better chip than the quad core exynos, so the US didn't really get screwed last year? What if (as I highly suspect) that turns out to be the case again this year? Since the octa doesn't actually use 8 cores at once, you now have a quad core snapdragon vs. A quad core exynos. Last years exynos couldn't beat a snapdragon with half the cores. Did Samsung hire all new chip engineers, and if not why are we suddenly expecting the exynos chips to best the chips from qualcomm? [/logic&reason]

Face palm to you sir, just go find any U.S. note2 and any s4 krait equipped dual core phone...compare the two and you'll be saying the opposite. The exyos4 quad in any form wasn't bested till late 2012 when s4 pro chips hit the market and they still pull more juice for that extra bit of power than the exynos4 quad. In fact the exyos4 quads beat the dual core kraits on battery life as well as processing power.

And to others, the note2 is proof enough, lte on a U.S. equipped exynos4 quad is not an issue. The demand for the note2 and sgs3 is the reason one got exynos and the other didn't. Likely this is the same thing playing out allover again with sgs4. I'd be willing to bet the note3 will have exynos5 octa with lte for america. It's the demand and release dates, nothing more.

 

[xlDeMoNiClx]

Honestly who really cares? It's not like your gonna notice with everyday use anyway.