Why I took back my AT&T One X

[mgfjd12]

HTC One X issue breaks Android multi-tasking

 

[icebike]

HTC One X issue breaks Android multi-tasking

Same old lame video that started this whole issue.

Once again its demonstrated to be simply a browser issue. Pulse is a browser wrapper.

Yet people who have zero knowledge another computer operating systems jump in and insist multi tasking is broken and apps are flushed from memory as soon as you leave them.

Any casual use of built in system tools would revealed the apps are still retained as cached background processes.

Nobody has demonstrated there is an issue with anything other than the browser.

Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

 

[sniffs]

When I load up facebook, I see the Facebook intro logo and then it loads my page.

If I exit, and use the button to switch back, it again, loads the facebook intro logo and loads my page.

When I'm playing Tripple Town and I exit.. if I go back in, it loads the game back up showing the intro logos.. it only resumes the game because TT is set to save the state when you exit and reopen it. It's not a quick resume like it should be.

It does this for every single app. It does not resume the app, it reloads the app.

the One X does multi-task, but it does not save state/quick resume..

 

[icebike]

Facebook book app is nothing but wrapper around the webkit browser core.

Next!

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[icebike]

Nope. I was wrong. It might not be just the Stock Browser. Anything else that uses the stock browser seems to trigger reloads of what ever is the next app you run.

To test this, I just installed firebox from the market, (whole different engine) then I cleared all caching with es file Explorer and started over, and i can very occasionally see apps reloading as i switch from app to app.

Not nearly as often. Most of the time i can switch between 4 or 5 different apps with no reloading.

This Proves its still multitasking, and multitasking is NOT broken.


My latest theory is that if you use NOTHING that uses the stock browser, you can switch between many many apps.
The tricky bit is knowing what apps use the stock browser core. The play store uses the stock browser for instance, and so does
anything that is essentially a screen scrape of a web site.

If I use only firefox, and an office suite, and ES File Explorer, Wifi Analyser, GPS Status, (essentially anything that doesn't use any web data)
I can multitask all I want without a reload in any of the apps.

My current theory is that the stock browser is poisoning the cache of any other running app (not just those that
are using the webkit core), or somehow setting a flag for all other apps that they must restart.
Avoid Webkit, it works as you expect. Switching to any other app leaves you exactly at the same place with no
reload.

Eventually, if you use enough large apps, ICS will be forced to page something out, and you will see a refresh when
you switch back to it.

Multitasking is not broken. Memory management is a little suspect.

 

[Newtoandroid99]

Nope. I was wrong. It can't be just the webkit browser core.

I just installed firebox, (whole different engine) then cleared all caching with es file Explorer and started over, and i can see apps reloading as i switch from app to app.

Not nearly as often. Most of the time i can switch between 4 different apps with no reloading. Proving its still multitasking.

But there will occasionally be an app reload when switching.



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I thought the same thing, but the longer i waited to switch back to the app the more often it reloaded. If I switched back within a few minutes it seemed to work great, but when i went back later it clearly reloaded the app or web page.

 

[anon(153966)]

...so it doesn't ALWAYS reload apps that are selected from the 'multitask' window?

Maybe, that's why I have an issue with IM (GTalk). Hmm...

Nope. I was wrong. It can't be just the webkit browser core.

I just installed firebox, (whole different engine) then cleared all caching with es file Explorer and started over, and i can see apps reloading as i switch from app to app.

Not nearly as often. Most of the time i can switch between 4 different apps with no reloading. Proving its still multitasking.

But there will occasionally be an app reload when switching.



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[icebike]

...so it doesn't ALWAYS reload apps that are selected from the 'multitask' window?

Maybe, that's why I have an issue with IM (GTalk). Hmm...

Navi, see the revised version of the post you quoted. I was busy changing it and got on a long phone call, so the thread got out of sync.

 

[sniffs]

Navi, see the revised version of the post you quoted. I was busy changing it and got on a long phone call, so the thread got out of sync.

It can't possibly be limited to the webkit core, video games reload also.

I just now loaded up Tripple Town, went into a game. Clicked a few things, pressed home.. clicked the recent apps, loaded up gtalk, pressed home.. clicked recent apps and loaded Tripple Town and it re-launched the game, loaded the level again. It did bring my back to where I was because the game itself is designed to save state on home presses but it didn't resume.. it re-loaded the game into memory.

 

[icebike]

It can't possibly be limited to the webkit core, video games reload also.

I just now loaded up Tripple Town, went into a game. Clicked a few things, pressed home.. clicked the recent apps, loaded up gtalk, pressed home.. clicked recent apps and loaded Tripple Town and it re-launched the game, loaded the level again. It did bring my back to where I was because the game itself is designed to save state on home presses but it didn't resume.. it re-loaded the game into memory.

Ok, but how big is Tripple Town? And what does that little Leaf Icon in the App store mean?
In my experience it means HUGE MEMORY Footprint?

Sooner or later running big apps you are going to have to page something out.

I also wonder if Google Talk uses webkit?
The problem is, its hard to avoid webkit, and if HTC hozed webkit somehow, there are going to be a lot of Gatchas in this system.

Look, guys, I'm NOT saying there isn't a problem. All I am saying is the perception that MultiTasking is broken is just true. Its somehow webkit related, (even chrome uses webkit).
I suspect HTC messed up webkit somehow.

 

[sniffs]

The leaf icon means it uses OpenFeint.. it's a social network for games.. and an added layer to the game. I supposed it would use extra ram to load the API's for it.

 

[icebike]

The leaf icon means it uses OpenFeint.. it's a social network for games.. and an added layer to the game. I supposed it would use extra ram to load the API's for it.

A boat load of extra ram, to do very little of actual use.

 

[Jonneh]

It is not a major issue, its just different. It works exactly the same way on ICS on the galaxy nexus.

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Completely untrue. At least, the Google-sold Galaxy Nexus that I have does not treat multi-tasking the way shown in his video.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Memory management has been changed by HTC. This has been proven by myself and Jerry Hildenbrand using his unlocked Galaxy Nexus. The minfree settings have been changed to kick things out much more aggressively.

 

[Droid800]

Memory management has been changed by HTC. This has been proven by myself and Jerry Hildenbrand using his unlocked Galaxy Nexus. The minfree settings have been changed to kick things out much more aggressively.

While the values are lower, the apps in which it manifests are the same. That points to an ICS issue.

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[sniffs]

Theoretically, if HTC wanted to, they could increase the #'s to match that of the GN on ICS and we'd see an improvement, correct?

If we root, could we modify these #'s ourselves?

 

[Jonneh]

Theoretically, if HTC wanted to, they could increase the #'s to match that of the GN on ICS and we'd see an improvement, correct?

If we root, could we modify these #'s ourselves?

Yeah. Jerry already posted that he is going to be working on getting their "in-house developers" to fix this, so hang tight. Not sure how we still have a couple people in this thread acting like either the issue doesn't exist or it's not the right answer, even after Jerry and Kevin figured it out, but, hey, sometimes stubbornness runs too deep. HTC made a mistake, whether it was intentional or not, and even if they don't fix it themselves, it will be fixed very soon by someone else and we can all breathe again and finally enjoy the phone. Regardless of what others are saying, it is not specific to stock ICS, as has already been confirmed by the AC team and I can tell you right now by holding my stock ICS Galaxy Nexus in my hand. Anyway, just keep an eye out for a fix.

 

[mooechili]

As for push gmail notifications, I tried something..sent an email to me NS4G and her HOX. My desktop picks up gmail in 10 seconds or less. First test 4G 9 seconds, HOX 36 seconds; 2nd: 4G 9 seconds, HOX 3 minutes and I gave up; 3rd: 4G 27 seconds, HOX 31 seconds; 4th: both at 1:50; and last, both at 2:29. Don't know why the extremes, usually my 4G is really quick, I usually average around 10 seconds.

 

[mflava#AC]

Galaxy Nexus all the way, problem solved.

 

[jdk2]

Galaxy Nexus all the way, problem solved.

Yep. That'll work You'll have multi-tasking with no signal.