Why is the Thunderbolt any better than any other droid?

[WrlsFanatic]

That's hillarious, instead of making the service meet the specs they change the specs to meet the service.

It was really dumb, but honestly their brandings mean nothing. When 1xRTT came out everyone called it 3G even though it wasn't really close. Wimax/HSPA+/LTE is now a HEAVY jump ahead of 3G, I think it's fair to say that they're 4G. Still, I think their goals were met: they want to advance wireless speeds and push innovation, and LTE-Advanced and WiMax2 do that.

 

[dkoss]

Gorilla glass is actually Corning's thing.. and you can see a list of devices that use it here.

Thanks for the clarification on the manufacturer of the Gorilla Glass.

My only point with Samsung is they have really embraced the technology. I guess I was mistaken on the Samsung TV, it must have been the Sony that I had seen with the Gorilla Glass.

 

[WrlsFanatic]

I thought it was cheaper (just going of my memory here). I'm fairly certain LTE is even cheaper to run than Verizon's current 3g and that they were planning to migrate everything over to LTE. As far as price to the consumer, LTE data cards cost the same as current 3g. Wimax can't make that claim. If I'm wrong, let me know so I don't keep spouting incorrect information.

LTE is cheaper for carriers with existing networks to build out (since initial build dollars are so important to total cost), but Wimax is cheaper to build if you're starting from scratch. I don't know their spectral efficiency off-hand, but that doesn't really matter if a) their target "real-world speeds" are met, and b) capacity is properly built at the sites. If the capacity (ie. peak bits per MHz, or more technically Erlangs) is very different then that might matter, but I don't believe they're very different. In other words if I have a Wimax site with 5 carriers and an LTE site with 5 carriers, I believe both can deliver their designed throughput to roughly the same number of users.

As for connection cards, the price of the cards is the same, but I'm pretty sure Clear has plans cheaper than what Verizon offers. Plus, if you talk about smartphones, Sprint and T-Mobile's pricing on "4G" data is far better than Verizon's or AT&T's. Since smartphones are more prevalent, and hotspot functionality is making data cards nearly irrelevant, I'd say that matters more.

 

[Forgetful]

And this proves you're an idiot. Verizon's LTE is no more "true" 4G than anyone else's. Also notice that the ITU - the official governing body - said that it's reasonable to call HSPA+, Wimax and LTE (none of which fit official specifications for 4G) 4G technologies.

What's 4g defined as? What's vzw`s lte network capable of?

 

[lament]

What's 4g defined as? What's vzw`s lte network capable of?

Data rate comparison.. more info in that article.

 

[zshazz]

Seriously bro, you're pissing me off, because everyone else in here are having a good discussion about the Thunderbolt and you have to be a D0uche about everything. And have nothing against the thunderbolt, im thinking about getting it myself, just dont know yet.

Honestly, he has a point. You're the only one here having a fit. What he is describing (taking his words out of context) is true and what you did was hurtful to his original meaning.

What he amounted to saying was "It's disrespectful for you to come in here asking questions and shooting us down when your mind is made up" (at the time he said that, he had a point). The way you quoted him made it sound like he was saying "How DARE you ask questions!" Hence, taking his quotation out of context.

Now, please calm down. Maybe if you take a few deep breaths you'll see what he was originally trying to say and see his current point about you taking what he said out of context.

 

[realitydigg]

That's a good point



And i am thinking about getting an iPhone, and the thunderbolt is also just frustrating because every week there is some sort of reason as to why it is not being released, or it's release date being announced.

That is really a different issue. If the Thunderbolt situation is frustrating you it has nothing to do with whether or not the phone has benefits over the iPhone. The specs IMHO are better in many areas. If you end up with an iPhone because this situation is making you bang your head against the wall then so be it. My tolerance for pain hasn't been reached yet. though it doesnt make it any fun!

 

[WrlsFanatic]

Data rate comparison.. more info in that article.

Yep, and here are the most important specs where current versions of LTE/Wimax/HSPA+ miss the mark:

* Peak data rates of up to approximately 100 Mbit/s for high mobility such as mobile access and up to approximately 1 Gbit/s for low mobility such as nomadic/local wireless access, according to the ITU requirements.

We're NOWHERE NEAR that right now.

 

[drdeath91]

Not to get off topic (considering this thread hasn't then even come close to answering the original question)...but isn't the thunderbolt nothing more than an evo with a different "4g" radio? Not that that is a bad thing. Imho, the evo has been the best device released to date, but if it's the same, why all the hype?

 

[dkoss]

Not to get off topic (considering this thread hasn't then even come close to answering the original question)...but isn't the thunderbolt nothing more than an evo with a different "4g" radio? Not that that is a bad thing. Imho, the evo has been the best device released to date, but if it's the same, why all the hype?

The TBolt is similar to the EVO with upgraded hardware. It has 40GB memory (8 onboard with a 32GB microSD) out of the box as opposed to 9GB (1 onboard and 8GB microSD). 50% more RAM and a newer processor.

HTC Thunderbolt vs. HTC EVO 4G | Wirefly Learn

I think a lot of the hype is due in part to VZW being silent on the phone and the fact that it is one of the best HTC phones that will be on VZW since the DInc came out. HTC is known for outstanding phones and dev support.

 

[WrlsFanatic]

I agree completely. The Thunderbolt is a big deal because HTC is the best handset manufacturer out there, period, and Verizon is missing a really great HTC handset. The DInc is nice, but it's not 4"+ with a 1GHz+ proc.

 

[AllanManangan]

Yep, and here are the most important specs where current versions of LTE/Wimax/HSPA+ miss the mark:

* Peak data rates of up to approximately 100 Mbit/s for high mobility such as mobile access and up to approximately 1 Gbit/s for low mobility such as nomadic/local wireless access, according to the ITU requirements.

We're NOWHERE NEAR that right now.

That makes this all the more disappointing. If the current versions of LTE, WiMax, and HSPA+ do not match true 4G specifications, ideally the governing body should not have approved them to be branded as 4G.

I suppose this is yet another case where marketing and money bend the rules and trump the truth and integrity, eh?

 

[Johnly]

Read the forums, brah. Tons of comparisons already out there.

Sorry! I began to read this thread, then seen the word brah....had to laugh, thought I was watching blue crush.

 

[916ninja]

Money makes a good point. And I dont think he needs to be flamed. Think about it. There are so many different droids(yes i call it a droid sometimes. I also call it soda, not pop, not coke, but soda. A coke is a coke and a pepsi is a pepsi.... call it what you want, because we all know what I am talking about) out there to choose from. Telling him to read forums isn't going to help him. Could he? Yes, absolutely. But he didn't, so move on. As far as him coming in and saying he is leaning more towards an iPhone 4 doesn't mean he is insulting people. He is unsure and I think he's making excuses to get a android. He wants to know more and learn and justify why he should break the mold and avoid an iPhone 4. And yes any operating system can become confusing if there is too many options. If you ever work with SAP, you will know what I mean.Technically not an operating system, but it can be turned into an all inclusive package and become the only program you use in a company. And I do recall HTC having a phone in the DROID line, Moto has a DROID moniker. And last time I checked, no matter if its an HTC thunderbolt or a droid incredible, they both still run android. If you want to be technical about it, you can call it a droid or android OS. C-3PO is a droid, and he also can be classified as an android. Hence droid is short for android. LMFAO


The fact is, even with the specs and everything else, we all know it will be outclassed within 8 months. Unless you have some of the blackberries. They were outclassed before they went gold. Ie storm. Those of you that posted pros and cons, thanks. I asked myself the same question. I came from a storm I and II. Droid X has been good to me. But I would want to know why I shouldn't hold off for the samsung stealth or moto bio. And now that im done ranting.....

The big killers in my opinion is simultaneous voice and data. Att owners have gloated about that forever and now with this phone it comes to an end. Also, if you're in the market with LTE, even better. I dont like the kickstand idea but it may work for others. I think it looks and feels gimmicky. Not quite as gimmicky as 3d in a phone but you get the idea.

My personal opinion is to wait it out for either the bio or stealth in my case. I figure a dual core is a little more future proofed. Also, the possibility of an unlocked bootloader is nice. They did it for the xoom, so if people raise enough stink, maybe they will give a little like they did this time. I already grabbed a xoom, so tegra games or apps is not a concern and I want to see the super amoled plus for myself. All personal preference. No LTE in sacramento so it will take more than that to sell me on it. Then again, if the phone is a better build, perhaps I will go with the Thunderbolt until next year.

 

[moneymike47]

Money makes a good point. And I dont think he needs to be flamed. Think about it. There are so many different droids(yes i call it a droid sometimes. I also call it soda, not pop, not coke, but soda. A coke is a coke and a pepsi is a pepsi.... call it what you want, because we all know what I am talking about) out there to choose from. Telling him to read forums isn't going to help him. Could he? Yes, absolutely. But he didn't, so move on. As far as him coming in and saying he is leaning more towards an iPhone 4 doesn't mean he is insulting people. He is unsure and I think he's making excuses to get a android. He wants to know more and learn and justify why he should break the mold and avoid an iPhone 4. And yes any operating system can become confusing if there is too many options. If you ever work with SAP, you will know what I mean.Technically not an operating system, but it can be turned into an all inclusive package and become the only program you use in a company. And I do recall HTC having a phone in the DROID line, Moto has a DROID moniker. And last time I checked, no matter if its an HTC thunderbolt or a droid incredible, they both still run android. If you want to be technical about it, you can call it a droid or android OS. C-3PO is a droid, and he also can be classified as an android. Hence droid is short for android. LMFAO


The fact is, even with the specs and everything else, we all know it will be outclassed within 8 months. Unless you have some of the blackberries. They were outclassed before they went gold. Ie storm. Those of you that posted pros and cons, thanks. I asked myself the same question. I came from a storm I and II. Droid X has been good to me. But I would want to know why I shouldn't hold off for the samsung stealth or moto bio. And now that im done ranting.....

The big killers in my opinion is simultaneous voice and data. Att owners have gloated about that forever and now with this phone it comes to an end. Also, if you're in the market with LTE, even better. I dont like the kickstand idea but it may work for others. I think it looks and feels gimmicky. Not quite as gimmicky as 3d in a phone but you get the idea.

My personal opinion is to wait it out for either the bio or stealth in my case. I figure a dual core is a little more future proofed. Also, the possibility of an unlocked bootloader is nice. They did it for the xoom, so if people raise enough stink, maybe they will give a little like they did this time. I already grabbed a xoom, so tegra games or apps is not a concern and I want to see the super amoled plus for myself. All personal preference. No LTE in sacramento so it will take more than that to sell me on it. Then again, if the phone is a better build, perhaps I will go with the Thunderbolt until next year.

Thank you, here is someone who understands. and I do like the simultaneous voice and data, but i asked my sister, who has a Droid Incredible, and i asked her if her phone can do simultaneous voice and data (I ONLY asked because i know the phone doesnt, but if i straight up asked her, then i may have not gotten an accurate response since she likes to gloat about her phone) and she didn't know, and before i told her that the phone doesn't do it, i pointed out that she doesn't know cause she has never tried, which means that it's not a huge deal; for her at least.

 

[Joelist]

That's hillarious, instead of making the service meet the specs they change the specs to meet the service.

That's okay. I cited the actual ITU release instead of a "tech site" nobody has heard of. And reading the release as written shows that they are not calling WiMax or HSPA+ true 4g. They are called forerunner technologies and the release notes that they have been called "4g" - it does not say that the ITU calls them 4g. In fact, it pretty strongly hints that the final IMT-Advanced spec will not include HSPA+ or WiMax.

As to LTE/LTE-Advanced, the jump to LTE-Advanced is not that big to perform, as it is a software enhancement. The hardware is the same for both. VZW is simply waiting for their hardware to be in place and the specification to be finalized to upgrade it. This is one of the advantages to LTE - it has a future roadmap that does not involve new towers/hardware.

 

[Joelist]

As to the advantages of the T-Bolt, there are both hardware and software advantages. It looks like both have been covered pretty well in the thread, but I do want to add the TB sports the latest version of Sense.

 

[whiteshadow001]

Idk if anybody has put this up yet, but instead of the standard lcd display, the Bolt comes with a Super Lcd panel that has more vivid colors too.

 

[916ninja]

But Money, if you know her's doesn't, that doesn't mean the TBolt may or may not. Unless your sister is a androidcentral whore, she probably wouldn't know. Not many people do. Many won't need that capability, and plenty of people just came to understand that's a vzw vs att thing. Asking your sister truly doesn't prove a point, considering the fact you already know.
Look at it this way, ATT and vzw have iPhones now. Then compare the two carriers, then compare the phones.mATT and VZW has its pros and cons. VZW, usually better nationwide service. ATT, where it does have good coverage, can be great. Then look at what phones you will actually see yourself using to YOUR fullest potential. If LTE is where you are, awesome. If not, oh well. If you have horrible ATT coverage, VZW might be what you want. Can you do more with an android? Yes, in my opinion. Does it have a huge regulated app store? No. Is it a huge deal Steve Snobs wants to tell you what you can do with your phone? Is the bootloader locked on the android phone you're looking to pick up? Can you still bypass these things? For the most part, yes. You will have to read the forums to get a better understand of the android platform, we can only express opinions. I love my droid x. would I ever go to apple, hells no. But thats me. Break the zombified mass hysteria that people get caught up in. Our opinions are like aholes. we all have one. Even if you sew it shut, you still have one. Do some research and decide for yourself. As a future IT guy, you should know just as well as many of us here, that technology advance at a double rate. The iPhone 4 is already obsolete, as is the android line of phones. You might not read it, but that doesn't mean it's not already there. Like the RIM Playbook. No one knew it existed. Then they hit us with it. Then they tease us for months on end. But the fact remains that the tech sometimes advances without our knowledge before we know it has. Go forth young padawn, read the forums. Educate yourself in the ways of the phones, only then can you make a decision you can live with and be happy. Unless you have a storm I or II. either is an upgrade.


PS i have been drinking at this point.

 

[greydarrah]

OP, you should just get an iPhone. I think you'll love it.

Although you may be able to read the definition of a Forum, you don't really understand how they are best used. It wouldn't surprise me to discover that you also started a thread (probably your 1st thread) in apples forum asking, "So what's so great about an iPhone?" You seem like one of those guys that makes friends wherever you go.