Why people don't like the fact that Apple is using Android features in iOS 7

[Aquila]

While I agree with the sentiment that we never want to see mobile, or consumer technologies in general, become a single player game, I don't think I agree that any existent company necessarily needs to be a part of the future. I think we all would agree that we want to see the maximum amount of fair competition, but depending on which news sources one reads, the perception of which companies are being "fair" and which are not seems to change wildly. This sounds familiar.. like it happens on a different subject as well.

 

[nj1266]

This is why is dislike Apple for being a hypocrite. Hopefully they're not around for too long.

WOW. You wish an American company that employes a lot is American people in R&D and retail to go out of business. You are wishing more pain and unemployment for Americans over a silly handheld device that you happen to dislike. Shame on you.




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[Aquila]

WOW. You wish an American company that employes a lot is American people in R&D and retail to go out of business. You are wishing more pain and unemployment for Americans over a silly handheld device that you happen to dislike. Shame on you.




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While some people being required to find new jobs (relatively easy at their level of expertise, compared to the bulk of the unemployed) is a natural consequence of a company going out of business, disliking that business is not the same as conveying hatred for those employees.

Also, being an American company is a benefit, but not a justification in its own right for existence, nor does it by default imply excellence. Some of the worst companies on the Earth can make that same claim.

While I understand the sentiment, I don't think I read that user specifically dislikes Apple for the purposes of denying employment to anyone, but rather because of their perception of that company's practices. Also, it should be noted that user is not an American and thus is not likely to share your defensiveness in the form of patriotism any more than you would typically be inclined to argue for the right to exist of an Australian, North Korean or Narnian company for the sole sake of the nationality of some of their employees.

 

[Fairclough]

First of all I stated about R&D that many companies buy patents but yet don't do the R&D are mear patent trolls hence should have their patents revoked.
As for saying they should go out of business, having them at a reduced market share would allow a more monopolistic competitive market - which would promote further R&D and employment it would just mean a reduced profit margin which benefits the shareholders how in the long run allows great choice for consumers, lower prices & less of a market deadweight loss.

 

[Fairclough]

Except every single shred of any 'bias' raised against the foreman was proven to me untrue. He never worked for Samsung. He never had any dealings with Samsung. He never used his experience to somehow bias the jury against Samsung.

Actually I was wrong with the employment but "Hogan failed to bring up the fact that he had a legal spat with Seagate in 1993 (of which Samsung owns a piece)". Wouldn't that be something you would tell? I would think so.. he said it wasn't relievant to mention if they ever had any association. Particularly as the "legal spat" caused him to go bankrupt, personally if a company made me bankrupt i would be bias as hell.

 

[return_0]

No. Apple complains about people using their PATENTED features/technology and PATENTED design identity. There is a difference.


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And their unpatented technology.

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[return_0]

WOW. You wish an American company that employes a lot is American people in R&D and retail to go out of business. You are wishing more pain and unemployment for Americans over a silly handheld device that you happen to dislike. Shame on you.




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Lol, he isn't from America. Why should it affect him?

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[sting7k]

Why people don't like the fact that Apple is using Android features in iOS 7

Here's my opinion on what all the controversy is for.

There are various arguments on how many features Apple borrowed from competitors and which competitors it borrowed them from (Android, WebOS, etc). But one thing must be agreed on: Apple used some amount of features that originated in Android.

Now, while the fact that Apple borrowed features from Android on its own is not a problem, the real issue lies within the bigger picture.

I'm sure we all remember Apple's famous lawsuit spree against various manufacturers, primarily Samsung, that began last year and is still going on. Again, there may be various opinions on the validity of these lawsuits, but one thing is sure: Apple's problem was that, according to them, Samsung was copying their patented features and thus infringing on their patents.

So, while Apple may not be stealing features or infringing on patents with iOS 7, it is still sure, as mentioned earlier in this post, that they borrowed features from Android. So the main controversy concerns the fact that:

-Apple sued companies for using their features.
-Apple is now using the features of said companies.

This behavior can be rightly viewed as hypocritical, and the importance of this hypocrisy is amplified by the fact that Apple has issued lawsuits against other companies in the process of said hypocrisy and that said lawsuits cost said companies upwards of a billion dollars total.

The bottom line:
Apple is not doing anything illegal or patent-infringing with iOS 7, but they are acting hypocritically with what they are doing with the new OS, and that is what is making many people so upset.

There's a difference. Apple was awarded patents on various elements. Elements they deemed to be important aspects of their OS that set it apart from the rest. Are any of the "features" Apple is "borrowing" protected by a patent? I don't know, but if anyone can find them for me I'd love to see them.

What we have here is really a difference of business strategy and business practices. Apple's business is selling stuff. To protect that "stuff" they patent parts of it they feel are important to set their "stuff" apart from the rest. That is not Google's business model. That is also not Samsung's business model but they are on similar paths. Thus; Google and Samsung patenting aspects of devices like that are not really worth it to either of them. What has Google done with Motorola's patents?...nothing.

Suing Apple doesn't make sense in the business model for either Google or Samsung. Samsung's counter suits with FRAND patents have gotten them no where. Apple has the right to declare technology they were awarded patents on as non-FRAND and instead proprietary. That's business.

If you want to be upset with anyone it should be Microsoft. They make money from the sale of just about every Android device sold. Microsoft only had to take one company to court; Motorola. The Android OEMs all lined up to license Microsoft's patents. They clearly know Android is infringing Microsoft patents. Why give Microsoft the free pass? Apple gets nothing from any Android device sales. Google also gets nothing as they give Android away for free.

I'm not seeing anything hypocritical here. I'm just looking at businesses doing business. As well as many many people having a fundamental misunderstanding of each of these companies business models. If you understand the real business of each you can see the reason for these suits. Google and Samsung simply do not care about these things because they are not important their business models. Where as they are quite important to the business model's of both Apple and especially Microsoft.

 

[Andyvalver]

For me it because they claim innovation yet each year they bring nothing new to the table. Only things that have already been in use for a while elsewhere. Then they come across like they invented the features. I mean jesus, you can't even bluetooth a song from an iPhone to another phone. Something you could do 10 years ago in a Nokia.

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[phonejunky]

Apple grandfathered the whole touch screen epidemic. Maybe they weren't the but they gave it mass appeal. They were clearly robbed by android in many ways so to now be using things android and windows 8 as well as blackberry have used oh well everyone's doing it so who cares. Pick the phone you like and move along with your day.

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[Andyvalver]

Yes I agree. I nearly wrote that in my post. Apple created the first decent touch screen phone. But they never built on it much. I think they got caught up in their own hype. Nokia was the world's biggest and best but failed to compete when touch screen arrived. They are only now getting back into it cuz of windows. Apple could fail if they don't move with the times.

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[gollum18]

Well you know Steve Jobs quoted picasso right and he basically lived by his mantra, "Good artist innovate, great artist steal."

That is a horrible business model, it screams that, "Hi were apple and we don't come up with our own ideas, we are to lazy to, instead we steal our competitors, then sue the crap out of them and say we innovated."

To me Steve Jobs and people like him don't deserve any kind of praise, they are thieves straight and simple, and don't deserve any kind of honor or high place in our society.

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[phonejunky]

I hate when I see post like this ^^^^^ about Steve Jobs. The guys was brilliant. He was an amazing business man and used his cunning and smarts to build the most profitable tech company in the world. He does deserve the praise he got.

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[JHBThree]

Actually I was wrong with the employment but "Hogan failed to bring up the fact that he had a legal spat with Seagate in 1993 (of which Samsung owns a piece)". Wouldn't that be something you would tell? I would think so.. he said it wasn't relievant to mention if they ever had any association. Particularly as the "legal spat" caused him to go bankrupt, personally if a company made me bankrupt i would be bias as hell.

Samsung did not purchase a stake in seagate until 18 years after that suit. There could be no possible bias against Samsung as a result. He never had any relationship with Samsung.

Further, Samsung's legal team knew that he worked for seagate, yet they did not research his background to see how that relationship ended and why. Yes, he should have given that information. No, the presence of that background does not somehow make him biased. One of the reasons the judge dismissed Samsungs motion on the matter is because Samsung had the opportunity to research the juror, did not do so, and then wanted to claim after the fact that he lied to them and they should get a whole new trial because of it.

 

[JHBThree]

And their unpatented technology.

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Apple has not once complained about people using technology they DON'T have patents on. Hell, they haven't even complained about technology they DO own patents for. (See: Nortel patents)

Edit: Forgot an important word.

 

[JHBThree]

Well you know Steve Jobs quoted picasso right and he basically lived by his mantra, "Good artist innovate, great artist steal."

That is a horrible business model, it screams that, "Hi were apple and we don't come up with our own ideas, we are to lazy to, instead we steal our competitors, then sue the crap out of them and say we innovated."

To me Steve Jobs and people like him don't deserve any kind of praise, they are thieves straight and simple, and don't deserve any kind of honor or high place in our society.

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Okay, well going by your way of thinking, android wouldn't exist, the pc wouldn't exist, and we'd all be living in a technological Stone Age.

(Not to mention that there wasn't any actual 'stealing')

 

[return_0]

Apple has not once complained about people using technology they have patents on. Hell, they haven't even complained about technology they DO own patents for. (See: Nortel patents)

Apple patented the Galaxy Tab design?

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[JHBThree]

Apple patented the Galaxy Tab design?

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Explain. I think a wire got crossed in our discussion and we're talking about different things.

 

[gollum18]

Okay, well going by your way of thinking, android wouldn't exist, the pc wouldn't exist, and we'd all be living in a technological Stone Age.

(Not to mention that there wasn't any actual 'stealing')

Actually the smartphone was invented before Steve Jobs came around, he was just the first to receive credit. And as far as the stealing goes, the foundation of apple os is a fork of bsd Unix, which was a fork of att bell Unix. Steve Jobs contrary to popular belief did not invent modern computing.

And all I was doing was contemplating on his own words.

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[JHBThree]

Actually the smartphone was invented before Steve Jobs came around, he was just the first to receive credit. And as far as the stealing goes, the foundation of apple os is a fork of bsd Unix, which was a fork of att bell Unix. Steve Jobs contrary to popular belief did not invent modern computing.

The point I was making went right over your head. Everything that we use today is a product of borrowing or theft, or whatever you want to call it. Your ridiculous statement, if translated into reality, would mean we wouldn't have any of the technology we have today.

And all I was doing was contemplating on his own words.

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No, you weren't, because those weren't his own words. There was much more to that quote, but the rest of it undermines what fandroids use it for.