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Dude, he was clearly kidding around lol don't take it so personally.
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Wireless charging... What in the world happened to that?!
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Dude, he was clearly kidding around lol don't take it so personally.
Sent from my Red GS3
To modify a Sprint phone to use the Verizon back, check out the step-by-step instructions at this thread.
Advantages: Uses Qi technology (not Palm Pre Touchstone), keeps NFC, adds inductive wireless charging.
Slightly thicker, so some cases might not work, but mine does. It's about a 10 minute modification and very clean..
Advantages: Uses Qi technology (not Palm Pre Touchstone), keeps NFC, adds inductive wireless charging.
Slightly thicker, so some cases might not work, but mine does. It's about a 10 minute modification and very clean..
Everything you say about Web OS is correct, except for the statement that it's "the only one that had multi-tasking." Android multi-tasks quite well, it just doesn't switch between apps nearly as elegantly. But apps can and do run in the background, which is the definition of multi-tasking, not the UI.
WebOS was just too little, too late. Palm pissed away a decade of lead time making tiny changes to PalmOS, while the rest of the world moved rapidly past it. Heck, the Treo smartphone wasn't even invented by Palm, but by a company called Handspring, which Palm later bought.
Yes, I had a number of Treos and a Pre. For all the things the Pre did well, there were too many things it did poorly. They would likely have been fixed over time, if Palm hadn't waited so long to abandon Palm OS.
No they do not always run in the Background. If you are working in a App etc and you want to go to another App, what way do you do this? You either hit home button and then choose an App to work in or you hit back until you are on Home screen. Either way is and/or can be considered by most Apps, as Exiting the App.
Web OS, you simple shrink the window of the App you are working on and open another and another, they are always listed on the Home screen in a Card forum.
When you are done with that App, you simply touch the Card and swipe it up and off the screen and it closes/exits/ends that App.
Android Does Not have this built into it and if he can be done, only done if App included an Exit App option in their programming of the App.
By pushing and Holding the Home button til a list of Tasks that you did previously, hardly compares to a True Multi-Tasking
Do you know who designed the Pre? And you do know that the Pre was Before 4G was in the picture and any phone had the Ram it does now,(reason the Ram is needed is because of all that may keep running without knowledge, as Pre ended that App as soon as you swiped it off the Phone.
Web OS, you simple shrink the window of the App you are working on and open another and another, they are always listed on the Home screen in a Card forum.
When you are done with that App, you simply touch the Card and swipe it up and off the screen and it closes/exits/ends that App.
Android Does Not have this built into it and if he can be done, only done if App included an Exit App option in their programming of the App.
By pushing and Holding the Home button til a list of Tasks that you did previously, hardly compares to a True Multi-Tasking
Do you know who designed the Pre? And you do know that the Pre was Before 4G was in the picture and any phone had the Ram it does now,(reason the Ram is needed is because of all that may keep running without knowledge, as Pre ended that App as soon as you swiped it off the Phone.
HP screwed up Palm, bought them and then decided to concentrate on what it wanted to do more of and that was Software and didn't put anything into Palm phones....
Hmmm, split screen on the Note series, Ubuntu style task switching, pop-up video play while doing another task. Yep, Android can't do sh!t compared to my old Touchpad and its 'amazing' multitasking cards.
And in case I was too subtle, that was all sarcasm.
Oh and I tore the innards out of a Palm Pixi+, found the perfect place to put that stuff into my S3's battery cover and now wireless charging and placement on the Touchstone is perfect every time. That is the one feature I missed most about my Touchpad.
And in case I was too subtle, that was all sarcasm.
Oh and I tore the innards out of a Palm Pixi+, found the perfect place to put that stuff into my S3's battery cover and now wireless charging and placement on the Touchstone is perfect every time. That is the one feature I missed most about my Touchpad.
So Test your Multi-tasking and report with Video to show that you can use 3 Apps that use Real time updating, not require you to refresh the App, and do another task and show that those 3 Apps are up to Real time Data. Multi-tasking is being used in many forms today. Multi-Tasking as computers users are use to, like windows OS, That is the type of Multi-tasking Palm Pre was working with, not too bad for that old tech.
But show me how Android OS can do this type of Multi-Tasking, (like Windows OS, Minimize a window with a program running and open another etc etc, all while the min. windows are still real time updating.....
But show me how Android OS can do this type of Multi-Tasking, (like Windows OS, Minimize a window with a program running and open another etc etc, all while the min. windows are still real time updating.....
Sorry, but you clearly don't understand what multi-tasking means. You are, once again, confusing the interface by which multiple apps are accessed with the OS approach to multi-tasking. Those are two different things. Android does, in fact, provide the capability to multi-task applications. If you think it doesn't, you're simply wrong. The fact that some apps are poorly coded and stop running when they're in the background doesn't change the fact that Android support multi-tasking.
And it's not too surprising that exiting an app (by clicking the back button until it's gone) will stop it from running. Exiting an app in WebOS (as opposed to switching to a different card) also closed it. The Pre ended an app when you swipe it off the phone? Android lets you do that, too. But, again, that has nothing to do with whether the OS supports multi-tasking or not.
What do the designer of the Pre and 4G have to do with multi-tasking? Nothing at all.
I suggest you do a little research and learn something about the subject (multi-tasking) before making any more inaccurate posts.
Sadly, Palm screwed up Palm, long before HP bought them. Their sale to HP was a last ditch effort to survive. They would have been bankrupt within months had HP not bought them. By the time the Pre was released, no one cared any more. And by the time the fixed most of the bugs, and some of the lack of features, of WebOS, no one wanted tiny little phones with physical keyboards any more.
Definition
multitasking
Multitasking, in an operating system, is allowing a user to perform more than one computer task (such as the operation of an application program) at a time. The operating system is able to keep track of where you are in these tasks and go from one to the other without losing information. Microsoft Windows 2000, IBM's OS/390, and Linux are examples of operating systems that can do multitasking (almost all of today's operating systems can). When you open your Web browser and then open Word at the same time, you are causing the operating system to do multitasking.
Being able to do multitasking doesn't mean that an unlimited number of tasks can be juggled at the same time. Each task consumes system storage and other resources. As more tasks are started, the system may slow down or begin to run out of shared storage.
It is easy to confuse multitasking with multithreading, a somewhat different idea.
multitasking
Multitasking, in an operating system, is allowing a user to perform more than one computer task (such as the operation of an application program) at a time. The operating system is able to keep track of where you are in these tasks and go from one to the other without losing information. Microsoft Windows 2000, IBM's OS/390, and Linux are examples of operating systems that can do multitasking (almost all of today's operating systems can). When you open your Web browser and then open Word at the same time, you are causing the operating system to do multitasking.
Being able to do multitasking doesn't mean that an unlimited number of tasks can be juggled at the same time. Each task consumes system storage and other resources. As more tasks are started, the system may slow down or begin to run out of shared storage.
It is easy to confuse multitasking with multithreading, a somewhat different idea.
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(Exiting an app in WebOS (as opposed to switching to a different card) also closed it)
Not sure what you are saying here, unless rewording what I have already said.
WebOS, App doesn't close until you closed the App(swipe it off the screen)
Backing out of App is Different.
Android has no action to close App Immediately. You can say you can do it, but go into Running apps and there it is (Unless the App Dev, designed it to do this Action.
Not sure what you are saying here, unless rewording what I have already said.
WebOS, App doesn't close until you closed the App(swipe it off the screen)
Backing out of App is Different.
Android has no action to close App Immediately. You can say you can do it, but go into Running apps and there it is (Unless the App Dev, designed it to do this Action.
LOL...HP, the Largest Manufacturing of Hardware, didn't have a Clue to what they were buying when they Bought Palm???? Seriously? And I guess that means you knew more about the Company then HP did???
So maybe you should call another Multi-Million Dollar Company and tell them you think you know better on making the Millions...lol...Look at who is gonna use that BAD WebOS that's worthless...lol
Press Release: February 25, 2013
Topics: Financial, webOS
LG Electronics Acquires webOS from HP to Enhance Smart TV
LG to License HP IP, Integrate webOS Technology into Next-Generation Devices
SEOUL, Korea, and PALO ALTO, Calif. -- LG Electronics Inc. has acquired the webOS operating system technology from HP, the companies announced today.
To support its next-generation Smart TV technology, LG has entered into a definitive agreement with HP to acquire the source code, associated documentation, engineering talent and related websites associated with webOS. As part of the transaction, LG also will receive licenses under HP?s intellectual property (IP) for use with its webOS products, including patents acquired from Palm covering fundamental operating system and user interface technologies now in broad use across the industry.
Today?s announcement paves the way for continued innovation on the webOS platform and on LG?s roadmap of innovative solutions for many years to come, while allowing HP to focus its resources on strategic business opportunities such as cloud computing.
?This groundbreaking development demonstrates LG?s commitment to investing in talent and research in Silicon Valley, one of the world?s innovation hotbeds. It creates a new path for LG to offer an intuitive user experience and Internet services across a range of consumer electronics devices,? said Skott Ahn, president and chief technology officer, LG Electronics Inc. ?The open and transparent webOS technology offers a compelling user experience that, when combined with our own technology, will pave the way for future innovations using the latest Web technologies.?
Ahn explained that LG Electronics? investment in webOS technology and its acquisition of the innovation team?s R&D capabilities are expected to extend LG?s leadership in bringing Internet services directly to consumer electronics devices. ?Integrated with LG, this team will be the heart and soul of the new LG Silicon Valley Lab, focused on bringing innovative technology solutions to market through the most popular platforms for sharing and consuming content and experiences,? he said. With the transaction, LG will add the Sunnyvale and San Francisco sites to its global R&D locations, in addition to its existing U.S. sites in San Jose and Chicago.
Also under the agreement:
LG will assume stewardship of the open source projects of Open WebOS and Enyo.
HP will retain ownership of all of Palm?s cloud computing assets, including source code, talent, infrastructure and contracts.
HP will continue to support Palm users.
?WebOS and its associated community deliver market leading platforms for the next generation of connected devices. We are constantly looking for opportunities to accelerate the delivery of this platform from the community,? said Bill Veghte, HP?s chief operating officer. ?LG?s track record of innovation and broad distribution provides this opportunity, while enabling HP to accelerate our Cloud efforts. In particular, with the cloud assets that will remain with HP, we will focus on delivering innovative solutions that will enable our enterprise customers to mobilize their workforce.?
HP and LG do not expect this transaction to have a material impact on either company?s financial statements. Terms were not disclosed.
Press Release: February 25, 2013
Topics: Financial, webOS
LG Electronics Acquires webOS from HP to Enhance Smart TV
LG to License HP IP, Integrate webOS Technology into Next-Generation Devices
SEOUL, Korea, and PALO ALTO, Calif. -- LG Electronics Inc. has acquired the webOS operating system technology from HP, the companies announced today.
To support its next-generation Smart TV technology, LG has entered into a definitive agreement with HP to acquire the source code, associated documentation, engineering talent and related websites associated with webOS. As part of the transaction, LG also will receive licenses under HP?s intellectual property (IP) for use with its webOS products, including patents acquired from Palm covering fundamental operating system and user interface technologies now in broad use across the industry.
Today?s announcement paves the way for continued innovation on the webOS platform and on LG?s roadmap of innovative solutions for many years to come, while allowing HP to focus its resources on strategic business opportunities such as cloud computing.
?This groundbreaking development demonstrates LG?s commitment to investing in talent and research in Silicon Valley, one of the world?s innovation hotbeds. It creates a new path for LG to offer an intuitive user experience and Internet services across a range of consumer electronics devices,? said Skott Ahn, president and chief technology officer, LG Electronics Inc. ?The open and transparent webOS technology offers a compelling user experience that, when combined with our own technology, will pave the way for future innovations using the latest Web technologies.?
Ahn explained that LG Electronics? investment in webOS technology and its acquisition of the innovation team?s R&D capabilities are expected to extend LG?s leadership in bringing Internet services directly to consumer electronics devices. ?Integrated with LG, this team will be the heart and soul of the new LG Silicon Valley Lab, focused on bringing innovative technology solutions to market through the most popular platforms for sharing and consuming content and experiences,? he said. With the transaction, LG will add the Sunnyvale and San Francisco sites to its global R&D locations, in addition to its existing U.S. sites in San Jose and Chicago.
Also under the agreement:
LG will assume stewardship of the open source projects of Open WebOS and Enyo.
HP will retain ownership of all of Palm?s cloud computing assets, including source code, talent, infrastructure and contracts.
HP will continue to support Palm users.
?WebOS and its associated community deliver market leading platforms for the next generation of connected devices. We are constantly looking for opportunities to accelerate the delivery of this platform from the community,? said Bill Veghte, HP?s chief operating officer. ?LG?s track record of innovation and broad distribution provides this opportunity, while enabling HP to accelerate our Cloud efforts. In particular, with the cloud assets that will remain with HP, we will focus on delivering innovative solutions that will enable our enterprise customers to mobilize their workforce.?
HP and LG do not expect this transaction to have a material impact on either company?s financial statements. Terms were not disclosed.
My Bad, last years sales where over $45 BILLION Dollars....LOL...they didn't get to those sales with opinions or knowledge like you have....
About LG Electronics USA
LG Electronics USA, Inc., based in Englewood Cliffs, N.J., is the North American subsidiary of LG Electronics, Inc., a $45 billion global force and technology leader in consumer electronics, home appliances and mobile communications. In the United States, LG sells a range of stylish and innovative home entertainment products, mobile phones, home appliances, commercial displays, air conditioning systems and solar energy solutions, all under LG?s ?Life?s Good? marketing theme. LG is a 2012 ENERGY STAR? Partner of the Year. For more information, please visit LG Electronics: Consumer Electronics & Appliances from LG | LG USA.
About LG Electronics, Inc.
LG Electronics Inc. (KSE: 066570.KS) is a global leader and technology innovator in consumer electronics, mobile communications and home appliances, employing more than 93,000 people working in over 120 operations around the world. With 2012 global sales of $45 billion, LG comprises four business units ? Home Entertainment, Mobile Communications, Home Appliances, and Air Conditioning & Energy Solutions. LG is one of the world?s leading producers of flat panel TVs, mobile devices, air conditioners, washing machines and refrigerators. For more information, please visit www.LGnewsroom.com.
About LG Electronics USA
LG Electronics USA, Inc., based in Englewood Cliffs, N.J., is the North American subsidiary of LG Electronics, Inc., a $45 billion global force and technology leader in consumer electronics, home appliances and mobile communications. In the United States, LG sells a range of stylish and innovative home entertainment products, mobile phones, home appliances, commercial displays, air conditioning systems and solar energy solutions, all under LG?s ?Life?s Good? marketing theme. LG is a 2012 ENERGY STAR? Partner of the Year. For more information, please visit LG Electronics: Consumer Electronics & Appliances from LG | LG USA.
About LG Electronics, Inc.
LG Electronics Inc. (KSE: 066570.KS) is a global leader and technology innovator in consumer electronics, mobile communications and home appliances, employing more than 93,000 people working in over 120 operations around the world. With 2012 global sales of $45 billion, LG comprises four business units ? Home Entertainment, Mobile Communications, Home Appliances, and Air Conditioning & Energy Solutions. LG is one of the world?s leading producers of flat panel TVs, mobile devices, air conditioners, washing machines and refrigerators. For more information, please visit www.LGnewsroom.com.
Hitting the home key DOES NOT exit the app unless the app catches the event and takes action. Otherwise the app continues to run and receives control often enough to be considered multitasking. Easy to test. Start a music program. Hit home. Music continues. Start a stopwatch app. Hit home. Start a download or two. Hit home. Reenter the stopwatch either via holding home or reselecting the app--you'll see that the stopwatch has been running in the background and will continue as long as you don't exit or back out. As will the music and downloads. That is multitasking and is a big change from earlier OS. I'm from the mainframe world who's had multitasking decades longer than PCs and phones and I can assure you multitasking has nothing to do with the USER--it's the ability of two or more programs (apps) to be running (completing work) at the same time via the OS pausing one (arbitrarily ie not waiting for the program to voluntarily give up control) and pass control to another. Yes there are pauses but they are milliseconds long--still multitasking. Multithreading and multiprocessors came along much later. I agree that Android could do a better job on the user end. The hold home method is a start but should distinguish between apps actually running vrs those that are just in memory. I'd like it to get rid of the vertical scrolling and list icons only horizontally first and then vertical with running apps first then a separator then show the non-active apps above (or not at all--they confuse people and will resume the exact same way via their main shortcut). In any case Android is definitely multitasking which is a lot better than older OS that either ran one program at a time or pseudo-multitasking that depended on the programmer to issue a wait command ie I'm finished for now you can give someone else time
LOL...
Here is Android's idea of what their Multitasking is....it plainly says seconds not minutes or hours, SECONDS that an app should run in the Background..
Apps are only allowed to remain Background tasks and run code for longer than a few seconds in specific circumstances. A series of tightly controlled APIs allow indefinite backgrounding for things like VoIP, location tracking, and audio playback. None of this has any bearing on what is in the multitasking bar.
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Here is Android's idea of what their Multitasking is....it plainly says seconds not minutes or hours, SECONDS that an app should run in the Background..
Apps are only allowed to remain Background tasks and run code for longer than a few seconds in specific circumstances. A series of tightly controlled APIs allow indefinite backgrounding for things like VoIP, location tracking, and audio playback. None of this has any bearing on what is in the multitasking bar.
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http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
A multitasking operating system is any type of system that is capable of running more than one program at a time. Most modern operating systems are configured to handle multiple programs simultaneously, with the exception of some privately developed systems that are designed for use in specific business settings. As with most types of communications technology, the multitasking operating system has evolved over time, and is likely to continue evolving as communication demands keep growing in many cultures.
With older examples of the multitasking operating system, managing two or more tasks normally involved switching system resources back and forth between the two running processes. The system would execute tasks for one, freeze that program for a few seconds, and then execute tasks for the other program. While this approach did create a short time lag for the operator, this lag was usually no more than a few seconds, and still offered considerable more efficiency than the older single-task operating system.
Over time, popular incarnations of the multitasking operating system were developed that used a different approach to allocating resources for each active program. This created a situation where virtually no time lag occurred at all, assuming that the equipment driving the system had adequate resources. For the end user, this meant the ability to perform several tasks simultaneously without any waiting for the system to release or redirect resources as each task completed in turn.
With older examples of the multitasking operating system, managing two or more tasks normally involved switching system resources back and forth between the two running processes. The system would execute tasks for one, freeze that program for a few seconds, and then execute tasks for the other program. While this approach did create a short time lag for the operator, this lag was usually no more than a few seconds, and still offered considerable more efficiency than the older single-task operating system.
Over time, popular incarnations of the multitasking operating system were developed that used a different approach to allocating resources for each active program. This created a situation where virtually no time lag occurred at all, assuming that the equipment driving the system had adequate resources. For the end user, this meant the ability to perform several tasks simultaneously without any waiting for the system to release or redirect resources as each task completed in turn.
Dang, I come here to read about wireless charging and get a face full of dictionary cut and pastes. What happened to loosely staying on topic?
Forget is. SirCody is a Palm Fanboy, and WebOS can (or could) apparently do no wrong, and Android little right. We'll never convince him that Android DOES do multi-tasking, or that cards isn't the only interface that allows multi-tasking. If WebOS had really worked as well as he believes it to, it, and Palm, would still be around kicking everyone's butt.
The more objective reality is that while WebOS introduced a few great ideas, primarily the card interface, it didn't work nearly as well in the real world as Cody would have us believe, the OS lacked may basic capabilities that iPhone, and even Android 2.x, users took for granted, and few people found it a compelling purchase. Which is why few developers (including the vast majority of those who made their living on PalmOS) bothered to support it. And, I suspect, when HP actually got it and looked under the covers they discovered an even bigger mess than they envisioned. WebOS was coded in a rush, to try to salvage Palm's very existence, and released well before it was feature complete. I've spent most of my long career in the software side of IT, and I know what happens when complex code is delivered in a hurry. It isn't pretty.
I hope LG can make something of WebOS. The more competition we have in the market the better for consumers. But the fact that HP essentially gave WebOS away for free tell you what they thought it would be worth if they actually tried to sell it off, and this statement: HP and LG do not expect this transaction to have a material impact on either company?s financial statements. says volumes. Don't read too much into a press release. The writers of those things could make buying a BLT for lunch sound like the most important acquisition a company has ever made.
LG is hedging its bets, as Samsung is doing with Tizen. I wouldn't expect either OS to supplant Android or iOS any time soon.
I do expect Android to continue to improve. As you may know, they hired the WebOS interface designer away from Palm before the HP deal took place.
The more objective reality is that while WebOS introduced a few great ideas, primarily the card interface, it didn't work nearly as well in the real world as Cody would have us believe, the OS lacked may basic capabilities that iPhone, and even Android 2.x, users took for granted, and few people found it a compelling purchase. Which is why few developers (including the vast majority of those who made their living on PalmOS) bothered to support it. And, I suspect, when HP actually got it and looked under the covers they discovered an even bigger mess than they envisioned. WebOS was coded in a rush, to try to salvage Palm's very existence, and released well before it was feature complete. I've spent most of my long career in the software side of IT, and I know what happens when complex code is delivered in a hurry. It isn't pretty.
I hope LG can make something of WebOS. The more competition we have in the market the better for consumers. But the fact that HP essentially gave WebOS away for free tell you what they thought it would be worth if they actually tried to sell it off, and this statement: HP and LG do not expect this transaction to have a material impact on either company?s financial statements. says volumes. Don't read too much into a press release. The writers of those things could make buying a BLT for lunch sound like the most important acquisition a company has ever made.
LG is hedging its bets, as Samsung is doing with Tizen. I wouldn't expect either OS to supplant Android or iOS any time soon.I do expect Android to continue to improve. As you may know, they hired the WebOS interface designer away from Palm before the HP deal took place.
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I looked briefly at a charging pad, and when I saw that it would cost me over $100 of a Qi, ($30 for the back, and $80 some odd for the pad) I was immediately turned off. And looking at the fact that while I found several charging pads for phones, most hardly included any Android devices (I own a Galaxy S3) but heaven forbid there wasn't a manufacturer that did not include Apple.
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