YA Killin Yourself..sprint

[miamithrice]

It has been well documented that Best buy lists FALSE msrp on Sprint phones. MSRP on Treo Pro was $600. BB listed MSRP on Treo Pro at $700 when all others listed it as $600. They did not do this for a few days but the entire lenght of the phones selling life.

I cited RS, not BB. BB hasn't even posted the phone MSRP on their site. Just their $649.00 retail price.

 

[Aero]

I cited RS, not BB. BB hasn't even posted the phone MSRP on their site. Just their $649.00 retail price.

My point stills stands. you claimed that the BB does post actual MSRP, and the evidence is that id doesn't. Look at their own language. msrp does even have to be a number from manufacturer.

 

[marisdaman]

How's this for common sense? Sprint won't sell you an Epic off-contract, period. No cold handsets, meaning you must either already be under contract, be a new subscriber or renew your contract. The money they lose will be recouped one way or the other.

$249.99 is for new customers and/or upgraders.
$499.99 is for existing sprint customers that are either not eligible for an upgrade at the time or don't want to renew their contract.
No deal for those not under contract.


Edit: I never implied that a consumer could buy the phone directly from Samsung either.

1. you will be able to buy off contract after 1-2 months and sprint msrp will be the same. They wont let you do it now to stop people from buying newly released phones off contact and then selling the phone on ebay for $700
2. you stated samsung msrp as if they were selling it and that is the reason i checked samsung website because they would only put a sale price up if they were going to sell it. And you did not answer where did you see SAMSUNGS msrp it sure wasnt on their site

3. the pre is $549 msrp FROM SPRINT and it was sold on release day @199 and now is going for $149 and verizon has had the upgraded pre for less time and the msrp is $599 and giving it to you for $29 which proves my point again they dont make money off the phone they make money of the 2yr contact they tie you into.

and in a final note let say they actually pay $300 - $400 a phone. If they subsidize it @ $199 and loose at most $200 it wouldn't matter because they are making like $2,000 off the two yr contact and thats why you have the cancellation fees. to recover things like phone subsidies but if you buy the phone out-right you dont have to sign a 2yr contract

 

[jamex]

Verizon can subsidize their phones more because they charge more for everything. Sprint phone prices generally do not change much because the plan prices are low and would be foolish to lose more money on the phones. Look at Sprint financial report and they are continuously losing money. You are acting as if Sprint is making a ton of money when they are not. I mean if $50.00 extra bothers so much why bother with the phone? Their are many other phones that cost less.

 

[miamithrice]

My point stills stands. you claimed that the BB does post actual MSRP, and the evidence is that id doesn't. Look at their own language. msrp does even have to be a number from manufacturer.

Where?

 

[miamithrice]

1. you will be able to buy off contract after 1-2 months and sprint msrp will be the same. They wont let you do it now to stop people from buying newly released phones off contact and then selling the phone on ebay for $700
2. you stated samsung msrp as if they were selling it and that is the reason i checked samsung website because they would only put a sale price up if they were going to sell it. And you did not answer where did you see SAMSUNGS msrp it sure wasnt on their site

3. the pre is $549 msrp FROM SPRINT and it was sold on release day @199 and now is going for $149 and verizon has had the upgraded pre for less time and the msrp is $599 and giving it to you for $29 which proves my point again they dont make money off the phone they make money of the 2yr contact they tie you into.

and in a final note let say they actually pay $300 - $400 a phone. If they subsidize it @ $199 and loose at most $200 it wouldn't matter because they are making like $2,000 off the two yr contact and thats why you have the cancellation fees. to recover things like phone subsidies but if you buy the phone out-right you dont have to sign a 2yr contract

I will make two simple points. Even at the "unsubsidized" price they are taking a loss. I don't know why you assume that carriers sell their phones at cost. Secondly, I never disagreed that carriers make their money from contracts. That is why they can sell it at a loss, subsidized pricing or not.

 

[marisdaman]

I will make two simple points. Even at the "unsubsidized" price they are taking a loss. I don't know why you assume that carriers sell their phones at cost. Secondly, I never disagreed that carriers make their money from contracts. That is why they can sell it at a loss, subsidized pricing or not.

Here is my simple point, why would they sell a unsubsidized no contract phone to take a lost... to gain nothing? There is no logic in that in the cell phone biz. what business would buy a product @ (lets say) $700 and sell it for $500 with no strings attached. no business would last 6 months doing this

 

[Darth Pooh#CB]

Here is my simple point, why would they sell a unsubsidized no contract phone to take a lost... to gain nothing? There is no logic in that in the cell phone biz. what business would buy a product @ (lets say) $700 and sell it for $500 with no strings attached. no business would last 6 months doing this

Because it's carrier specific and they make money on the device when it's activated over a certain period of time.

It's okay that you don't understand the cellular business but it's also a good idea to get informed before calling people out online.

It should also give you an indication of how much companies still make even with 2 year agreements.

 

[Aero]

Because it's carrier specific and they make money on the device when it's activated over a certain period of time.

It's okay that you don't understand the cellular business but it's also a good idea to get informed before calling people out online.

It should also give you an indication of how much companies still make even with 2 year agreements.

thank you. There are rational informed voices like yours and on the other side a whole BUNCH of noise from people who:
a) are obviously are new to Sprint (hence the absurd claims Sprint hasn't sold smartphones recently for over $200!)
b) never read an article or trade media discussion about phone pricing and subsidy
c) have no idea that the e mare 10% ($50) increase in Epic of EVO is justified by objective improvements (GPU, Super AmoLED, keyboard, more costly high efficiency processor), ( which also incidentally increase battery life the big complaint on EV);
d) cant get their head around the 10% increase from other galaxies is easily rationalized by 4g and front facing camera
e) don't get Samung which has easily sold 10 times as many Galaxy as EVO in a shorter period of time maybe charging Sprint $50 or $100 more than HTC simply because they can
f) that Sprint may hav judge it a mistake to sell the Evo for $200 and now may have data saying they woudl have moved just as many units at $250
g) maybe looking at a price increase or a permanent or very long term shortage from HTC for evo

As far as you guys saying $250 is too high, hey I am buying THREE. I don't want to pay $150 more. But my purchase is RATIONAL, it is included the fact that I know I am really paying $500 a pop (and this is provable by my ability to simply sell any handset I want, keep my old ones and recover $200 to $250 easily).

I would rather pay 3% more over two years with sprint for the Epic than the Evo.

 

[marisdaman]

Because it's carrier specific and they make money on the device when it's activated over a certain period of time.

It's okay that you don't understand the cellular business but it's also a good idea to get informed before calling people out online.

It should also give you an indication of how much companies still make even with 2 year agreements.

umm before you quote me and scold me read the whole post your pretty much makeing my point..THANKS

 

[miamithrice]

Here is my simple point, why would they sell a unsubsidized no contract phone to take a lost... to gain nothing? There is no logic in that in the cell phone biz. what business would buy a product @ (lets say) $700 and sell it for $500 with no strings attached. no business would last 6 months doing this

What you are not understanding is that they will not sell the phone @ $499.99 (taking a loss) to a someone that is not under some type of contract with sprint. If they decide for whatever reason to sell the phone completely off of contract they would obviously need to sell it at cost (to not take a loss). $499.99 is a partially-subsidized on-contract price. The difference is that contract renewal is not mandatory to take advantage of it nor will it void an existing contract.