Any faith left for sprint

[Robbie317]

It's not a chore to support SPRINT! They have the best service and prices!

I went from $70 per month on Sprint to $30 per month on T-Mobile... Only difference is unlimited talk and data on Sprint and 100 minutes talk and unlimited data with the first 5 gig on 4G speeds with T-Mobile.... but before I made the switch I only averaged 80 - 90 talk minutes per month anyway....

Also looking back at six months worth of bills I averaged right at about 1 gig per month in Data use with Sprint.. 3 weeks into my first month on T-Mobile and I am on the way to between 4 - 5 Gig... I use to average less than 1 Mbps on Sprint at work and 1.5 Mbps at home.. Now I get 8 - 10 Mbps at work and 15 - 20 Mbps at home (Even though home I use my WiFi exclusively)

So at least for where I live in Dallas... T-Mobile is way cheaper and way better.....

 

[Robbie317]

I really give those who continue to support Sprint props. Myself as I said before in this thread I'm less than 2 months away from pulling the plug after about 9-10 years with Sprint. Maybe they will make a change but I can't wait around any longer hoping on some more pipe dreams that it will one day be a stable network.

While you guys talk Sprint Spark and all the goodness I sit south of Chicago and walk out my front door and struggle to even lock into 3g.

I can't believe I stuck with Sprint almost 17 years.... My contract finally ran out 3 weeks ago and I took my Nexus to T-Mobile and holy cow what a difference.... I can't believe I put up with that weak 3G.... I remember thinking just a month or two ago 3 - 4 Mbps on LTE was awesome while on Sprint... Then I switched to T-Mobile and in a bad area of Dallas 3 - 4 Mbps is 3G (or HSPA+) and 20, 30 and even 40 Mbps is typical on LTE...... AND IT'S CHEAPER!!!

 

[maverick7526]

I can't believe I stuck with Sprint almost 17 years.... My contract finally ran out 3 weeks ago and I took my Nexus to T-Mobile and holy cow what a difference.... I can't believe I put up with that weak 3G.... I remember thinking just a month or two ago 3 - 4 Mbps on LTE was awesome while on Sprint... Then I switched to T-Mobile and in a bad area of Dallas 3 - 4 Mbps is 3G (or HSPA+) and 20, 30 and even 40 Mbps is typical on LTE...... AND IT'S CHEAPER!!!

Well just don't plan to leave the Dallas area or you'll get dropped to edge or have no signal. All these companies have their caveats.

T-Mobile: Good network speed, cheap. However they have crap coverage once you leave a major city.

Sprint: good overall network coverage, moderately priced. BUT their network has been neglected for the last decade or so. So data is crap.

AT&T: great data speed and decent coverage. Just insanely expensive.

Verizon: amazing coverage, decent data speed. Costs and arm, leg, first born, etc.

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[Bigballer]

The backhaul is only one part of the network. A lot of the problem is the overloading of the tower. There is a set amount of limited frequencies total, and what the carrier is allowed to use, and X number of people it has to support within a given cell- all fighting for resources.



Blech



Landline bandwidth is unlimited but radio bandwidth is not. However, it can be managed some by adding more towers in a given area, but there is a practical limit on that, too (not to mention they are very expensive).

From what I can tell, sprint's problem isn't the radio bandwidth allocations but rather the backhaul. I was a Sprint customer and as many other sprint customers have noted that during peak hours, speeds were very sluggish. That points to problems in backhaul, not radio bandwidth really. Throughout the day with tmobile, my speeds are pretty much consistent. You have to admit, Sprint has a friggen boatload of spectrum (more than att+verizon combined.) It's not my fault they refuse to use all of it, but rather squat on it and whine that they need to merge with T-mobile to be successful.

I mean, far too often I have "signal" with Sprint, yet not network response. That's clearly signs of backhaul deterioration rather than bandwidth limitations. On top of that, most of Sprint's LTE is on a 5x5 network, whereas the other 3 carriers are using 10x10 mhz and upgrading to 20x20 mhz, more signs that "network congestion" cannot and can never be a "utility" in a sense. But I agree with you in a sense, with a pure fiber optic backhaul, the limitations are clearly the wireless spectrum, but when you're running a T1 line, I mean obviously that's the clear limitation, not the network spectrum. But as time goes on, networks are getting more and more efficient at utilizing spectrum....

If you want to charge by byte, then clearly the wireless industry needs to be regulated to ensure meters that actually work and the prices are reasonable, just like the water company, gas company, electric company, etc. etc. and of course that would eat away at the huge profits some of these wireless companies make.

 

[ttwiitch]

From what I can tell, sprint's problem isn't the radio bandwidth allocations but rather the backhaul. I was a Sprint customer and as many other sprint customers have noted that during peak hours, speeds were very sluggish. That points to problems in backhaul, not radio bandwidth really. Throughout the day with tmobile, my speeds are pretty much consistent. You have to admit, Sprint has a friggen boatload of spectrum (more than att+verizon combined.) It's not my fault they refuse to use all of it, but rather squat on it and whine that they need to merge with T-mobile to be successful.

I mean, far too often I have "signal" with Sprint, yet not network response. That's clearly signs of backhaul deterioration rather than bandwidth limitations. On top of that, most of Sprint's LTE is on a 5x5 network, whereas the other 3 carriers are using 10x10 mhz and upgrading to 20x20 mhz, more signs that "network congestion" cannot and can never be a "utility" in a sense. But I agree with you in a sense, with a pure fiber optic backhaul, the limitations are clearly the wireless spectrum, but when you're running a T1 line, I mean obviously that's the clear limitation, not the network spectrum. But as time goes on, networks are getting more and more efficient at utilizing spectrum....

If you want to charge by byte, then clearly the wireless industry needs to be regulated to ensure meters that actually work and the prices are reasonable, just like the water company, gas company, electric company, etc. etc. and of course that would eat away at the huge profits some of these wireless companies make.

The point of a Sprint merger with T-Mobile is to facilitate and speed up the NV and Spark upgrades, by having more towers and cell cites instead of building new ones from scrap. Yes, Sprint has the spectrum but it needs thousands of new towers and those cites.... It will be the only way to compete with the HUGE other two networks; Att and Verizon.

When the merger goes through, combined, they will have LESS customers still, than the other two.
Then it'll be a PRICE WAR between three REALLY GOOD networks.



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[Bigballer]

The point of a Sprint merger with T-Mobile is to facilitate and speed up the NV and Spark upgrades, by having more towers and cell cites instead of building new ones from scrap. Yes, Sprint has the spectrum but it needs thousands of new towers and those cites.... It will be the only way to compete with the HUGE other two networks; Att and Verizon.

When the merger goes through, combined, they will have LESS customers still, than the other two.
Then it'll be a PRICE WAR between three REALLY GOOD networks.



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so less competition = better news for consumers??

People need to wake up, none of this consolidation is good for consumers. ATT buying directtv, comcast buying time warner etc. etc. When has consolidation ever proved good for consumers just once?

Wireless industry is just synonymous to the ATT landline industry back int he 80s. Keep the baby bells separate!

 

[ttwiitch]

so less competition = better news for consumers??

People need to wake up, none of this consolidation is good for consumers. ATT buying directtv, comcast buying time warner etc. etc. When has consolidation ever proved good for consumers just once?

Wireless industry is just synonymous to the ATT landline industry back int he 80s. Keep the baby bells separate!

It depends on the matter at hand. For the most part, it never is. In the case of Att+Verizon owning almost the wireless space, yes. How many companies has Att gobbled up since the 80's?? Hundreds of hundreds. Why should Sprint+T-Mobile not be? There is no competition having two small networks VS two GIANT ones.

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[Bigballer]

It depends on the matter at hand. For the most part, it never is. In the case of Att+Verizon owning almost the wireless space, yes. How many companies has Att gobbled up since the 80's?? Hundreds of hundreds. Why should Sprint+T-Mobile not be? There is no competition having two small networks VS two GIANT ones.

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Because quite simply, Sprint can easily be as big as Verizon and ATT without tmobile.... Irrespective of amount of customers (who would probably flock from sprint if sprint bought tmobile), they have enough spectrum to make a huge dent in Verizon/ATT duopoly. Sprint bought Clear a year ago and what have we heard from the progress of all that spectrum that was purchased years ago. What about the nextel spectrum? THe whole reason Son wants to buy out tmobile is because tmobile is heating things up. Tmobile had ATTs buyout spectrum for a year and already used it....

But do they? No, they just gave their CEO a huge bonus after a dismal year with negative losses.....

 

[ttwiitch]

Because quite simply, Sprint can easily be as big as Verizon and ATT without tmobile.... Irrespective of amount of customers (who would probably flock from sprint if sprint bought tmobile), they have enough spectrum to make a huge dent in Verizon/ATT duopoly. Sprint bought Clear a year ago and what have we heard from the progress of all that spectrum that was purchased years ago. What about the nextel spectrum? THe whole reason Son wants to buy out tmobile is because tmobile is heating things up. Tmobile had ATTs buyout spectrum for a year and already used it....

But do they? No, they just gave their CEO a huge bonus after a dismal year with negative losses.....

What are youuuu talking about??!! Please refer to my previous posts to answer this question, as to why again...

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[ttwiitch]

Because quite simply, Sprint can easily be as big as Verizon and ATT without tmobile.... Irrespective of amount of customers (who would probably flock from sprint if sprint bought tmobile), they have enough spectrum to make a huge dent in Verizon/ATT duopoly. Sprint bought Clear a year ago and what have we heard from the progress of all that spectrum that was purchased years ago. What about the nextel spectrum? THe whole reason Son wants to buy out tmobile is because tmobile is heating things up. Tmobile had ATTs buyout spectrum for a year and already used it....

But do they? No, they just gave their CEO a huge bonus after a dismal year with negative losses.....

Also, I thought you might like this news lol, as well as others ;-)

T-Mobile merger with Sprint looks more likely as Softbank and Deutsche Telekom agree on sale

http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mob...kely-softbank-and-deutsche-telekom-agree-sale

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[Bigballer]

Also, I thought you might like this news lol, as well as others ;-)

T-Mobile merger with Sprint looks more likely as Softbank and Deutsche Telekom agree on sale

T-Mobile merger with Sprint looks more likely as Softbank and Deutsche Telekom agree on sale | Android Central

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Deustche Telekom and ATT agreed too, but DOJ still shot them down.

Considering the fact that Sprint has more spectrum than ATT and ATT got denied, what makes you think DOJ/FCC would approve of sprint buying them out?

I also do not understand why the price is so low. ATT offered 39 billion, and Softbank is offering 10 billion less? Yeah, ok....

I really hope Tmobile really added the break-up fee. It would do wonders into speeding up the buildup of their EDGE to LTE network and the frequency recently acquired by Verizon.
Last, considering that most of tmobiles newer customers are former sprint customers, you really think they would want to go back to sprint? Hell, I won't ATT/Verizon here i come if god forbid this goes thorugh

 

[maxq54]

I too finally gave up on Sprint after 11 years of patience on my part. Customer Service was always good, I had a 25% corporate discount, and I had no device issues, but the lack of a decent signal at home or work on 3G then 4G then LTE/Spark finally got to me--Sprint's coverage maps always show I'm in the strongest signal area on all, but I have yet to ever connect to 4G or LTE/Spark at home or at work--iPhones, Nexus devices, HTC phones. They finally sent me an AirRave to boost the signal for calls, but it never really helped. The worst thing was when on the very edge of a signal, our phones would switch to roaming (I assume on Verizon towers), then quickly drop that to re-connect to the weak or non-existent Sprint signal, then ultimately drop the call. Switched to AIO (now Cricket) a couple of months ago--amazing difference, always a strong cell signal, faster speeds than we ever saw on Sprint--and AIO/Cricket is throttled! I'm saving $30 a month on each line, with no guessing what the Sprint bogus fee of the month would be, no cramming of unrequested services, and a connection where I can actually call a company and be placed on hold without the call being dropped every few minutes. Every carrier has strengths and weaknesses, but I'm happy so far to no longer be a Sprint customer.

 

[ttwiitch]

Deustche Telekom and ATT agreed too, but DOJ still shot them down.

Considering the fact that Sprint has more spectrum than ATT and ATT got denied, what makes you think DOJ/FCC would approve of sprint buying them out?

I also do not understand why the price is so low. ATT offered 39 billion, and Softbank is offering 10 billion less? Yeah, ok....

I really hope Tmobile really added the break-up fee. It would do wonders into speeding up the buildup of their EDGE to LTE network and the frequency recently acquired by Verizon.
Last, considering that most of tmobiles newer customers are former sprint customers, you really think they would want to go back to sprint? Hell, I won't ATT/Verizon here i come if god forbid this goes thorugh

Hahaha, well too bad brah, all signs point to YES. Att and T-Mobile would have been overkill. Yet Sprint and T-Mobile together don't even add up to how big Att is, and that's yet another reason why it will go through.

I don't understand why ppl don't realize that this will first of all; benefit both company's consumers by one Network providing better data and the other better coverage. Second of all, combined they will be able to offer more than the other big two, thus creating a massive price war!

Bigger is better ppl! .....get used to it lol.

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[Robbie317]

Well just don't plan to leave the Dallas area or you'll get dropped to edge or have no signal. All these companies have their caveats.

T-Mobile: Good network speed, cheap. However they have crap coverage once you leave a major city.

Sprint: good overall network coverage, moderately priced. BUT their network has been neglected for the last decade or so. So data is crap.

AT&T: great data speed and decent coverage. Just insanely expensive.

Verizon: amazing coverage, decent data speed. Costs and arm, leg, first born, etc.

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Oh I posted about that before and I am aware of it... When I pulled up the T-Mobile coverage map I noticed once you get out of the DFW and surrounding areas your in trouble.... I drove up to Oklahoma two weekends ago and noticed my signal going in and out of 3G and Edge once I got about 10 miles north of Denton TX.... At the Texas/Oklahoma boarder where the Casino is I actually had LTE in the parking lot but edge once you got inside the doors and NOTHING in the poker room...

but I don't travel outside of the Dallas Fort Worth area so dollar for dollar and coverage for coverage T-Mobile is awesome... I had Verizon when I traveled for work (Company phone) and amazingly Verizon was spotty in Dallas but great as you traveled across the country... AT&T is really good in Dallas and T-Mobile is right there with AT&T.... Sprint was just horrible.... I mean horrible except in a few select places....

Deustche Telekom and ATT agreed too, but DOJ still shot them down.

Considering the fact that Sprint has more spectrum than ATT and ATT got denied, what makes you think DOJ/FCC would approve of sprint buying them out?

I think there is a decent chance it gets rejected and a decent chance it gets approved... The difference is AT&T is a powerhouse and letting them add T-Mobile was a major disadvantage across the board.... Sprint has been a struggling company for years.... They could argue that they need T-Mobile to survive and T-Mobile could argue the same.... AT&T was going to survive with or without T-Mobile....

 

[ttwiitch]

Oh I posted about that before and I am aware of it... When I pulled up the T-Mobile coverage map I noticed once you get out of the DFW and surrounding areas your in trouble.... I drove up to Oklahoma two weekends ago and noticed my signal going in and out of 3G and Edge once I got about 10 miles north of Denton TX.... At the Texas/Oklahoma boarder where the Casino is I actually had LTE in the parking lot but edge once you got inside the doors and NOTHING in the poker room...

but I don't travel outside of the Dallas Fort Worth area so dollar for dollar and coverage for coverage T-Mobile is awesome... I had Verizon when I traveled for work (Company phone) and amazingly Verizon was spotty in Dallas but great as you traveled across the country... AT&T is really good in Dallas and T-Mobile is right there with AT&T.... Sprint was just horrible.... I mean horrible except in a few select places....


I think there is a decent chance it gets rejected and a decent chance it gets approved... The difference is AT&T is a powerhouse and letting them add T-Mobile was a major disadvantage across the board.... Sprint has been a struggling company for years.... They could argue that they need T-Mobile to survive and T-Mobile could argue the same.... AT&T was going to survive with or without T-Mobile....

Good points. Btw, its not about either company dying on its own. The bigger picture is 3 giants battling it out, is better competition then 2 big ones, 2 small ones, vs each other.

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[Bigballer]

Hahaha, well too bad brah, all signs point to YES. Att and T-Mobile would have been overkill. Yet Sprint and T-Mobile together don't even add up to how big Att is, and that's yet another reason why it will go through.

I don't understand why ppl don't realize that this will first of all; benefit both company's consumers by one Network providing better data and the other better coverage. Second of all, combined they will be able to offer more than the other big two, thus creating a massive price war!

Bigger is better ppl! .....get used to it lol.

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ATT/Tmobile would have been overkill but SPrint/tmobile isn't overkill considering that Sprint has more bandwidth than verizon/Att combined? Yeah, ok. try telling the FCC/DOJ that....

 

[crxssi]

I don't understand why ppl don't realize that this will first of all; benefit both company's consumers by one Network providing better data and the other better coverage. Second of all, combined they will be able to offer more than the other big two, thus creating a massive price war!

I will tell you why, because many people (including me) are worried that such a merger would derail all the great stuff that T-Mobile has been doing over the last couple of years. There is no doubt that T-Mobile could certainly use the better rural coverage of what Sprint has. But the two networks are very different and it could screw up T-Mobile's operations for years to come. A lot of us WERE on Sprint and left them for T-Mobile for very good reasons.

If both companies were doing poorly, then a merger would make more sense than what we do have now- which is Sprint still hemorrhaging and T-Mobile doing quite well. Now, if they wanted to enter into some killer roaming agreements and start making the networks and handsets more compatible with each other, I think that would be great.

 

[Almeuit]

Hahaha, well too bad brah, all signs point to YES. Att and T-Mobile would have been overkill. Yet Sprint and T-Mobile together don't even add up to how big Att is, and that's yet another reason why it will go through.

I don't understand why ppl don't realize that this will first of all; benefit both company's consumers by one Network providing better data and the other better coverage. Second of all, combined they will be able to offer more than the other big two, thus creating a massive price war!

Bigger is better ppl! .....get used to it lol.

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For someone who hated me talking about T-Mobile you sure seem awfully excited for the merger lol.

 

[Bigballer]

I will tell you why, because many people (including me) are worried that such a merger would derail all the great stuff that T-Mobile has been doing over the last couple of years. There is no doubt that T-Mobile could certainly use the better rural coverage of what Sprint has. But the two networks are very different and it could screw up T-Mobile's operations for years to come. A lot of us WERE on Sprint and left them for T-Mobile for very good reasons.

If both companies were doing poorly, then a merger would make more sense than what we do have now- which is Sprint still hemorrhaging and T-Mobile doing quite well. Now, if they wanted to enter into some killer roaming agreements and start making the networks and handsets more compatible with each other, I think that would be great.

Sprint's bleeding customers left and right and hasn't returned a profit in years.

Tmobile's Q1 results were on steroids.

 

[Bigballer]

For someone who hated me talking about T-Mobile you sure seem awfully excited for the merger lol.

What I don't understand is why do people think the merger would bring good news to customers.
Sprint has all that spectrum. What do they really even need T-mobile for?
Or is it because Sprint's losing a huge chunk of customers to T-mobile and wants that to stop...

Even if they acquire Tmobile, which I'm doubtful DOJ/FCC would approve, do you seriously think Sprint can really consolidate the two networks? Look at Nextel. Sprint bleed Nextel dry for way too long. Do we really need another CDMA/iDen fiasco of the 2000s?? Now sprint wants to consolidate GSM and CDMA? uh, so if they even acquire tmobile. it still wont fix their network....