Apple: Get A Life!!!

So, in essence, Mac stopped innovating when Woz stopped caring? ;)

Woz got tired of working a grunt job because he got pushed out. Another reason why Steve Jobs is a huge jerk. He and Wozniak start Apple together. Woz basically invents the Apple 1. Woz gets in a plane crash and is mentally out of it for a year or 2. Woz tries to come back to work. Steve tells him he'll never be in management again. Woz works in engineering for a few years, until he gets sick of being a grunt for his traitorous ******* partner and quits Apple. It's a sad story.

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Woz got tired of working a grunt job because he got pushed out. Another reason why Steve Jobs is a huge jerk. He and Wozniak start Apple together. Woz basically invents the Apple 1. Woz gets in a plane crash and is mentally out of it for a year or 2. Woz tries to come back to work. Steve tells him he'll never be in management again. Woz works in engineering for a few years, until he gets sick of being a grunt for his traitorous ******* partner and quits Apple. It's a sad story.

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While I'm all for Woz and such, he still is "technically" an employee, and has made quite a load of money off of their stock.
 
I'm sorry but comments like this make we want to rage. I sound like someone who wants to use Apple products except for functionality? Well, you're half right. I don't want their software. But without software a Mac is exactly and I do mean EXACTLY the same hardware-wise as a PC. So, no, I don't want to use macs, I like my 8-core beast with 24 gigs of ram and an AMD 7990, a machine more powerful than any mac by light-years.

And when you "LOOK AT COMMERCIALS"?! I mean come on! You do understand what a commercial is right? It's something somebody (Apple) pays to have on TV to make people want their stuff, which in your case apparently worked. And I don't think they are the most admired, or they would have more than 7 percent of the computer market.



I disagree completely, the Blackberry Bold 9000 had a beautiful, amazing screen when the Iphone was still ugly and pixelated. You had to really look to see pixels. But in the phone market I would say they innovate more hardware wise than software wise, it's focus more on making them "hip" that I don't like. It's the PC market, and Mac OS that really riles me. Macs are 2 year old PC hardware being sold as if they were from 2 years in the future.



Or you could buy a PC and run Mac on it. Or one of the numerous Mac Clones available that update just fine and have zero driver problems. The Mac is going to cost way more, for inferior PC hardware. How can macs have a higher build quality? They use exactly the same hardware mid-to-high end PCs did 2 years ago. Intel and Nvidia don't make better quality components just for Apple. The only difference is Apple fuses it all together, with proprietary plugs making it a huge mess to upgrade your system components without buying a whole new machine.

I don't know, I think the reason I dislike Mac so much is that back in the 80's, I used to love Apple. They truly innovated. My first Mac was an Apple 2, followed by a Mac Classic. There was no argument that at that point in time, microsoft robbed intellectual property from them on a massive scale, because at that time, they had THE BEST software and it was worth stealing. They were cutting edge, putting out machines that had software that allowed you to experiment with everything software could do at the time. But many years ago they sold the soul of their company to survive. I think it was around the time Macs stopped running PowerPC CPUs and became PCs (literally) with a terribly crippled OS. When's the last time you heard of cutting edge software being designed on a mac? The answer is a long time ago.

And sorry Kevin, if this is a little out of range, I know I should probably be focusing more on Apple's mobile side, as this is a mobile site.

The Bold 9000 was a great phone, but neither that or the iPhone of the time was high resolution. The iphone 4 ushered in that era. With the rare exception of the droid it's screen has been the benchmark until recently.

I give the iPhone the credit because it is what made all other manufacturers take notice and step up the display quality.

Mac build quality isn't great because of the individual components. It's the unibody case, the good screen, the keyboard that's pleasant to type on, and the trackpad that works exactly the way it's supposed to each and every time you use it. It's the overall package that makes the hardware truly great, not any individual component.

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While I'm all for Woz and such, he still is "technically" an employee, and has made quite a load of money off of their stock.

Woz gets a token 120k paycheck. He should own half the company.

The Bold 9000 was a great phone, but neither that or the iPhone of the time was high resolution. The iphone 4 ushered in that era. I give the iPhone the credit because it is what made all other manufacturers take notice and step up the display quality.

I never owned a Bold, I had a curve 8900. It came out way back in 2008 and had a 264 ppi screen. I consider that high res, as you could barely see pixels at all, and the colors were amazing and better than most 2010 and 2011 phones. For 2008, it was mind-blowing. In comparison, the Iphone 3G of 2008 had a measly 165 ppi. If anything I would say that Blackberry pioneered high-res screens, not Apple.

Mac build quality isn't great because of the individual components. It's the unibody case, the good screen, the keyboard that's pleasant to type on, and the trackpad that works exactly the way it's supposed to each and every time you use it. It's the overall package that makes the hardware truly great, not any individual component.

The case and the keyboard huh. Well take a look at my 300 dollar case. I've seen a million and one macs, and I guarantee mine has better build quality. the build is all steel, hybrid glass and aluminum and is fantastic. BTW you can buy the newest and best Mac wireless keyboard for 60 bucks and it works with a PC.

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If you subtract the price of the hardware in the mac (500-1000 dollars depending on the model) your case, monitor and keyboard cost 1000-2000+ dollars depending on whether it's an Imac or a mac pro. That had better be plated in gold for that price. I could build a complete top-of-the-line PC with all the accessories for that. And Honestly, there's nothing wrong with a cheap PC keyboard or case either if you go that route. When is the last time anyone you know had their PC's case fail to function? I never have in 20 years of computing.

And if you want to bring up viruses, or software issues and whatnot (you haven't yet, to your credit) I'd just like to say, my PC works exactly the way I expect it to, every time I use it. I've never had a virus on Windows 7, even though I don't have an anti-virus program, I just use AVG Boot to check every few months. I don't have software crashes or any of that garbage, that was more the windows XP era and previous. Now on the Mac side, since Apple never worried about viruses as their market-share was too low for virus designers to give it attention, they were totally unprepared when Mac superviruses appeared last year, now leaving a huge amount of Macs infected.

And here's a quick look at at the main specs of the 5000 dollar mac pro. Two 2.66ghz CPUs (31 total Ghz), 6gb RAM, A 1TB HD, and a Raden 5770.

Now lets see how much similar (or better) hardware would cost on a PC: 8-core AMD FX OC at 4.0 Ghz (32 total Ghz), 24 GB RAM (4 times the RAM of the mac), a 2TB HD, and and Radeon 6850 (far better GPU). The total is 1200 dollars, for the complete system, power-supply, motherboard, 24 inch moniter all of it. And I included 300 dollars for the case of your choice, you could knock off 250 if you got a cheap case. Or you could make it a 3 monitor set-up for an extra 300.

Sorry, but to me, that is crazy. I would use up the Mac's 6gb of RAM in no time, heck I keep 6GB worth of tabs open in chrome (a couple hundred). And a Radeon 5770? I did a double take when I read that on the Mac Store. That's a crazy old CPU. As in holy crap I can't freaking believe that's in a 5000 dollar machine old. A 6800 is only 100 bucks.

It seems to me like Apple is trying to keep to the old archetype of a computer costing several thousand dollars, back when the parts were made in America or Japan and manufacturing costs were very high. But that simply isn't the case anymore and it's ridiculous they haven't changed their prices to show that.
 
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This is off the subject, but I'll ask anyway. How's the sound quality on the Galaxy Nexus?
 
This is off the subject, but I'll ask anyway. How's the sound quality on the Galaxy Nexus?

Out of the speaker? Weak and a bit terrible imo. Auxiliary or headphones? Fine.

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I hate to ever give credit to Gizmodo, but they had a decent "article" about how they're starting to deviate from the norms under Jobs. Debuting a phone with a gimmick, one that Jobs either didn't care for or did not want, is one of those deviations.

Read that article. Jesus is an idiot. Everything he complained about was Jobs' idea in the first place, or something he directly approved. We haven't yet seen anything that is a product of the Tim cook era.
 
Read that article. Jesus is an idiot. Everything he complained about was Jobs' idea in the first place, or something he directly approved. We haven't yet seen anything that is a product of the Tim cook era.

While that may be, the beginning of a change has inevitably begun imo.





What I like about you, you say it how it is.


Lol I wouldn't have it any other way.


They gave users plenty of notice.

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That's at least reassuring. Sucks, but reassuring.

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Going to play ssa here, but i was made cool by the i device's, is the nexii trying to capitalize on that, or what? iiiii, figured five i was the damned coolest. :p
 
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In terms of daily tasks like boot up, web browsing, office applications etc. I will put up my Macbook Air against your Windows AMD super computer and I can guarantee that my Air will beat yours in most of those tasks in terms of how fast it can do them. No PC, even with an SSD in it, can come close to the speed of the MBAs during normal every day use.

Also the trackpads on the Macs are untouchable compared to what Windows PCs makers put out there. The trackpad experience on Macs are something else. Even you can't deny it if you have used it and know how well it works with all the muti-touch gestures..
 
In terms of daily tasks like boot up, web browsing, office applications etc. I will put up my Macbook Air against your Windows AMD super computer and I can guarantee that my Air will beat yours in most of those tasks in terms of how fast it can do them. No PC, even with an SSD in it, can come close to the speed of the MBAs during normal every day use.

Also the trackpads on the Macs are untouchable compared to what Windows PCs makers put out there. The trackpad experience on Macs are something else. Even you can't deny it if you have used it and know how well it works with all the muti-touch gestures..

I detest the zoom in on the track pad. Always hitting by accident. Oi.

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skill up bro..no excuses.

Lol you'd think after years of Mac experience I'd have a handle on it.

Anywho, I do love my Macbook, although I'm not sure if I'm willing to shell out for those prices in the future.

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Lol you'd think after years of Mac experience I'd have a handle on it.

Anywho, I do love my Macbook, although I'm not sure if I'm willing to shell out for those prices in the future.

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Mac is boss, that is FIN. Then we commence, and I agree, paying for what you get is real. I am all for the bargain, but I have felt that wasp sting many times.:cool:
 
In terms of daily tasks like boot up, web browsing, office applications etc. I will put up my Macbook Air against your Windows AMD super computer and I can guarantee that my Air will beat yours in most of those tasks in terms of how fast it can do them. No PC, even with an SSD in it, can come close to the speed of the MBAs during normal every day use.

Also the trackpads on the Macs are untouchable compared to what Windows PCs makers put out there. The trackpad experience on Macs are something else. Even you can't deny it if you have used it and know how well it works with all the muti-touch gestures..

How do you figure that when the macbook uses the same internal components?

Intel or AMD CPU,s Macbook uses Intel. Both use flash storage, Macbook
uses Intel integrated graphics which is nice but the two king GPU makers
are Nvidia and AMD (<<< use to be ATI), PERIOD.
 
How do you figure that when the macbook uses the same internal components?

Intel or AMD CPU,s Macbook uses Intel. Both use flash storage, Macbook
uses Intel integrated graphics which is nice but the two king GPU makers
are Nvidia and AMD (<<< use to be ATI), PERIOD.

I am not a fan of Nvidia cards. I had two of them in my x205 Toshiba gaming top, and they failed so hard. Took a month to replace.
 
In terms of daily tasks like boot up, web browsing, office applications etc. I will put up my Macbook Air against your Windows AMD super computer and I can guarantee that my Air will beat yours in most of those tasks in terms of how fast it can do them. No PC, even with an SSD in it, can come close to the speed of the MBAs during normal every day use.

Also the trackpads on the Macs are untouchable compared to what Windows PCs makers put out there. The trackpad experience on Macs are something else. Even you can't deny it if you have used it and know how well it works with all the muti-touch gestures..

Guarantee my PC gets faster browsing than your mac. Browsing speeds are driven by the CPU, GPU and RAM, and connection speed, which your Mac is inferior to in every way. You can even run safari on PC. I also guarantee if you open 100+ tabs on your Mac, it will be choking and dying. Open Office also has the fastest loading as of Feb 2012. And I use a custom SUSE distro for most daily activity which boots in about 10-15 seconds so no. And it's not a supercomputer it's cheaper than the cheapest Mac desktop. Well, actually I guess it is a supercomputer when you put it next to a Mac.

If by trackpad, you mean mousepad, I think you'll find a little searching will show you that the same company that makes them for Apple makes the same hardware for use in PCs as well, and there are numerous mousepad gesture programs, even ones that let you program your own gestures, so you could even copy Mac gestures exactly if you so chose.

Still haven't heard anyone try to explain why it's reasonable to sell 800 bucks worth of hardware for 5000. I mean, it has 50 bucks worth of ram and a 2 year old 100 dollar GPU. And that's the best Mac available.

Not saying Macs aren't decent machines, just saying paying a 1000-4000 dollar markup on obsolete hardware boggles my mind.

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I am not a fan of Nvidia cards. I had two of them in my x205 Toshiba gaming top, and they failed so hard. Took a month to replace.

LOL, yeah i said they are the two kings,,,,They are pretty much the only two.

But saying the macbook is faster is strange as it uses the same components
PC,s use. And no other CPU maker on the planet is faster or more powerful
than Intel or AMD. If Intel was to jump both feet in the smartphone market like they do
in the PC market they would blow away Qualcomm, Exynos. and all others.