Apple: Get A Life!!!

[gdbjr]

I don't know what you've been reading but there are dozens of legitimate sites dedicated to rooting/romming. Last time I checked xda alone had a little over 4 million registered users the majority of which are android users. So you're assumption that there is a low amount of android users who actually do root their phones is a fallacy. I personally tell anyone I meet about rooting/jailbreaking their phone. I feel that anyone who buys a iphone/android and knows how to actually use it should know about the communities that go along with them.

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There are have been roughly 320 million android devices sold, so even if all 4 million of those XDA users were rooted, that is still a very, very small percent.

 

[dmmarck]

There are have been roughly 320 million android devices sold, so even if all 4 million of those XDA users were rooted, that is still a very, very small percent.

That does not make it any less of a legitimate use imo

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[gdbjr]

That does not make it any less of a legitimate use imo

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I agree. Rooting is almost mandatory to remove the carrier bloatware that is installed. But to say that a large percentage of android users root or install custom ROM is incorrect.

The percent that jailbreak a iOS device is extremely, extremely small

 

[crackberrytraitor]

There are have been roughly 320 million android devices sold, so even if all 4 million of those XDA users were rooted, that is still a very, very small percent.

Pretty sure that's an irrelevant comparison. If you hang out on xda it's a given that you've rooted a phone. And I'm pretty sure other people besides xda members root their phones. Me for example. I'd say you could easily double that number. And I hate to tell you, while there may have been 320 million phones sold EVER in the history of Android, I think you'll 8 million times the 300-500 dollars carriers pay for each new phone is a MASSIVE amount of revenue, and something the manufacturers do care about.

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[JHBThree]

Pretty sure that's an irrelevant comparison. If you hang out on xda it's a given that you've rooted a phone. And I'm pretty sure other people besides xda members root their phones. Me for example. I'd say you could easily double that number. And I hate to tell you, while there may have been 320 million phones sold EVER in the history of Android, I think you'll 8 million times the 300-500 dollars carriers pay for each new phone is a MASSIVE amount of revenue, and something the manufacturers do care about.

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It is certainly not irrelevant. The number of people that root or jailbreak their devices is extremely small compared to the total number of users. It is a fact.

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[JHBThree]

That does not make it any less of a legitimate use imo

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It does undermine the argument that people should choose either platform for their hacking possibilities. The overwhelming majority of users don't do it, so its irrelevant.

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[dmmarck]

It does undermine the argument that people should choose either platform for their hacking possibilities. The overwhelming majority of users don't do it, so its irrelevant.

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No it doesn't. People make choices based on personal utility and indifference. If one wants to hack then that is as valid a factor as any. Now it does affect whether a manufacturer should spend resources to cater to such preferences. If they make more money catering to non hackers then catering to that is perfectly valid. But an individuals own preference should not be demeaned just because it is not popular.

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[_JKK_]

If you read Steve jobs biography he has a quote saying he will spend all of apples 40 billion dollars destroying android. Sounds like anti competition to me.

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I'd attribute that more to his attitude. If you knew the history of Apple vs. MS, you'd see why he'd be upset. He thought Android was a stolen rip-off of iOS, as Google was one of the only companies that Apple let see the iPhone before it was released. I disagree, but I suppose an argument could be made.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

It is certainly not irrelevant. The number of people that root or jailbreak their devices is extremely small compared to the total number of users. It is a fact.

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Actually read what I said. I was basically saying that suggesting that only the 4 million members of xda have rooted their phones. You could EASILY double that. You know what 500 bux (the cost of an average android phone minus bill of materials) times 8 million is? 4 BILLION DOLLARS. That's double HTC's revenue this year, and a huge amount of money for any company. And when it comes to Apple, when's the last time you met somebody under the age of 25 who had not Jailbroken their iphone? You say it is a fact that the percentage is low. Please show me a sourced statistic verifying what you say before you claim it as a fact. Thx.

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[crackberrytraitor]

I'd attribute that more to his attitude. If you knew the history of Apple vs. MS, you'd see why he'd be upset. He thought Android was a stolen rip-off of iOS, as Google was one of the only companies that Apple let see the iPhone before it was released. I disagree, but I suppose an argument could be made.

He was just just butthurt that the same thing that happened in the late 80's-early 90s is happening again. Apple ruled the computer market, with a closed platform. Microsoft comes in and makes a more open OS manufacturers can put on any platform they design, and slowly drives Apple to the brink of extinction. He saw the same thing happening again with Android in the smartphone market. Steve Job's business model can't handle competition.

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[Ry]

Actually read what I said. I was basically saying that suggesting that only the 4 million members of xda have rooted their phones. You could EASILY double that. You know what 500 bux (the cost of an average android phone minus bill of materials) times 8 million is? 4 BILLION DOLLARS. That's double HTC's revenue this year, and a huge amount of money for any company. And when it comes to Apple, when's the last time you met somebody under the age of 25 who had not Jailbroken their iphone? You say it is a fact that the percentage is low. Please show me a sourced statistic verifying what you say before you claim it as a fact. Thx.

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Lol. Do you have stats that show most people under 25 run a jailbroken iPhone?

Lol

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[Ry]

It is certainly not irrelevant. The number of people that root or jailbreak their devices is extremely small compared to the total number of users. It is a fact.

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So true.

They are the 1%.

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[Ry]

I agree. Rooting is almost mandatory to remove the carrier bloatware that is installed. But to say that a large percentage of android users root or install custom ROM is incorrect.

The percent that jailbreak a iOS device is extremely, extremely small

Thank you.

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[crackberrytraitor]

Lol. Do you have stats that show most people under 25 run a jailbroken iPhone?

Lol

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Didn't claim it as a fact, I said when was the last time you saw somebody under 25 without a jailbroken iphone. Still would be interested in any data that proves jailbroken/rooted phone users are in the minority.

 

[Johnly]

I'll just leave this here

While I don't necessarily agree with the article, some folks think iOS is better to hack and tweak.

I have had a blast hacking my iPhone and customizing it. There are a bazillion mods. I have also had a blast hacking Google's OS, again, a bazillion mods. That article is kinda funny, but has some points that can be augured (yes, spun.) Most people like one platform and bash the other. I like both, and respect the differences. I am glad Google and Apple have a vicious spirit to compete....Just makes our products better ~classic post.

 

[JHBThree]

He was just just butthurt that the same thing that happened in the late 80's-early 90s is happening again. Apple ruled the computer market, with a closed platform. Microsoft comes in and makes a more open OS manufacturers can put on any platform they design, and slowly drives Apple to the brink of extinction. He saw the same thing happening again with Android in the smartphone market. Steve Job's business model can't handle competition.

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Considering that apple pulls in more profit in the mobile market than every other company (minus Samsung) combined, I'd say their business model is doing just fine.

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[JHBThree]

Actually read what I said. I was basically saying that suggesting that only the 4 million members of xda have rooted their phones. You could EASILY double that. You know what 500 bux (the cost of an average android phone minus bill of materials) times 8 million is? 4 BILLION DOLLARS. That's double HTC's revenue this year, and a huge amount of money for any company. And when it comes to Apple, when's the last time you met somebody under the age of 25 who had not Jailbroken their iphone? You say it is a fact that the percentage is low. Please show me a sourced statistic verifying what you say before you claim it as a fact. Thx.

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No one that I know that is under the age of 25 has jail broken their iPhone.

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[JHBThree]

No it doesn't. People make choices based on personal utility and indifference. If one wants to hack then that is as valid a factor as any. Now it does affect whether a manufacturer should spend resources to cater to such preferences. If they make more money catering to non hackers then catering to that is perfectly valid. But an individuals own preference should not be demeaned just because it is not popular.

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You misunderstand completely. For the vast majority of users, the hack ability of the platform is a moot point. It is a non-factor for the people in the market that actually matter, because of that majority. Without that being a factor, the reasons to choose android over iOS become less clear.

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[JHBThree]

Didn't claim it as a fact, I said when was the last time you saw somebody under 25 without a jailbroken iphone. Still would be interested in any data that proves jailbroken/rooted phone users are in the minority.

There are no aggregate stats, but all you need to do is look at download stats for root-only apps and roms to understand. By far the majority of android users don't know or care what rooting is. Based on the numbers, its not even above 5%.

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[dmmarck]

You misunderstand completely. For the vast majority of users, the hack ability of the platform is a moot point. It is a non-factor for the people in the market that actually matter, because of that majority. Without that being a factor, the reasons to choose android over iOS become less clear.

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We can agree to disagree.

If there's one thing in this world I understand, however, it is economics. You are aggregating prior individual preferences (or potential evidence thereof) and using that to ascribe prospective group behavior without understanding why the prior behavior existed in the first place. While it may seem clear and correct to you, you can't do that b/c ==>

• Preferences shift;
• Preferences are individual;
• Humans are inherently simple creatures and make choices for a variety of reasons and integrating a variety of factors;
• You have no actual proof other than sales figures and estimates on what people choose to prefer, but not necessarily why people chose it (and preferences = why). Ascribing hacking v. non-hacking as a definitive factor (in either regard) undermines individuality and choice;
• You removing an actual preference (hacking) does nothing other than to skew the choice and the results thereof

By saying Apple caters to a market whose preferences align with a majority of users, and as such, is clearly a superior preference point than Android, defeats the purpose of preference entirely. Just because X quantity of Y product is moved does not mean that Y is necessarily better than Z; it merely means that more preferences lean in that direction, and that a smart company would maximize that preference.

Further, it has been implied (actually stated in your post) that because your preference is A (hacking) yet the other choice B (nonhacking) is dominant, choice A is meaningless and B choice products are largely qualitatively better. As such, we shouldn't choose A because the reasons for doing so don't matter (your bit about reasons becoming less clear), or should not matter, because they are not in the majority. This is just incorrect. It doesn't work that way; just b/c users like Chevrolet over Ford does not mean that there are no reasons to choose Ford over Chevrolet or that there's a market mandate to purchase Chevrolet. It follows that they choose Chevrolet because that's what their preference is; but, fortunately for humanity, that does not mean we "should" choose it.

And lastly, you can't cherry pick an individual's preferences just to prove a somewhat hollow point. You're doing so, and by saying that you shouldn't include those who hack, then you undermine basic, individual economics and how we as humans make (and have made) rational choices.

P.S. My apologies--was up late seeing Prometheus and have yet to have the requisite 4 cups of coffees.

For TL;DR ==> you can't claim an individual prefers X over Y when you start cherry-picking what they are "allowed" to prefer.

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