Apple / Samsung Court Ruling

[mkiker2089]

Yes, although them losing an alleged $12 billion in value since the verdict came down can't be a good thing.

Kind of, but we won't know for a few months. Stock values are way to wishy washy to put much faith in them. Often a huge drop like this just means there's an equally huge rebound on the horizon. If anything expect investors to start steering clients to Samsung. This could play out like the Netflix stock price, but not as drastic as Netflix was artificially inflated and had less room to rebound.

 

[dmmarck]

Kind of, but we won't know for a few months. Stock values are way to wishy washy to put much faith in them. Often a huge drop like this just means there's an equally huge rebound on the horizon. If anything expect investors to start steering clients to Samsung. This could play out like the Netflix stock price, but not as drastic as Netflix was artificially inflated and had less room to rebound.

No doubt--short term effects have nothing to do with greater issues, although it would affect an investor who wanted to/planned to sell stock imminently. I have no doubt they'll rebound, if not all the way back, but close, within the next coming months.

 

[seriyb]

Uhh, no it didn't. Android was in development but was not released until after the iPhone. And the original version of android was closer to blackberry than what it ended up as.

I'm not sure what you're referring to in the last part of your post.

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All I'm saying is give Android/google some credit. People who say that Android wouldn't be here without Apple are narrow minded.

 

[dmmarck]

All I'm saying is give Android/google some credit. People who say that Android wouldn't be here without Apple are narrow minded.

Not necessarily--I honestly believe Apple was the catalyst for Android to get rolling.

 

[Ry]

Not necessarily--I honestly believe Apple was the catalyst for Android to get rolling.

100% in agreement here.


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[JHBThree]

All I'm saying is give Android/google some credit. People who say that Android wouldn't be here without Apple are narrow minded.

No they're not. They understand the history of the mobile space, and the momentum the iPhone gave it to go in a different direction. No one can say for certainty that android wouldn't have eventually gotten to where it is now, but the iPhone certainly sparked a rapid and dramatic change in the market in a way that nothing else could.

 

[dmmarck]

No they're not. They understand the history of the mobile space, and the momentum the iPhone gave it to go in a different direction. No one can say for certainty that android wouldn't have eventually gotten to where it is now, but the iPhone certainly sparked a rapid and dramatic change in the market in a way that nothing else could.

In chaos theory terms, Apple is the butterfly that flapped its wings .

 

[seriyb]

Sorry, i don't see it that way.
In the simplest terms what we have is a small computer (with icons just like your regular desktop) with a touch screen instead of a mouse/keyboard.
Please enlighten me why Android wouldn't be here without Apple.
Did Apple invent a touch screen? Icons on the desktop? No and no.
Maybe Android would be somewhat different con-ops wise but it would certainly be here. Google is not something to sneeze on.

 

[dmmarck]

Sorry, i don't see it that way.
In the simplest terms what we have is a small computer (with icons just like your regular desktop) with a touch screen instead of a mouse/keyboard.
Please enlighten me why Android wouldn't be here without Apple.
Did Apple invent a touch screen? Icons on the desktop? No and no.
Maybe Android would be somewhat different con-ops wise but it would certainly be here. Google is not something to sneeze on.

Good point. I see it this way:

Apple proved that their crazy iPhone idea was marketable, that a mobile OS could be wildly successful, and that mobile computing was quickly replacing (in some degree) traditional computing. As such, manufacturers, developers, and companies saw that there was an opportunity there to expand.

Further, it showed a dramatic shift in how phones operated. Looking back on it, it was risky. You had a bunch of crappy feature phones, some Blackberries, and then the older Windows and Palm devices and so on and so forth. Apple showed that an all touch screen device, and further, an operating system based almost entirely on that type of hardware, could garner great demand in the market place whereas before the demand was, at least perceptibly, small.

 

[seriyb]

Good point. I see it this way:

Apple proved that their crazy iPhone idea was marketable, that a mobile OS could be wildly successful, and that mobile computing was quickly replacing (in some degree) traditional computing. As such, manufacturers, developers, and companies saw that there was an opportunity there to expand.

Further, it showed a dramatic shift in how phones operated. Looking back on it, it was risky. You had a bunch of crappy feature phones, some Blackberries, and then the older Windows and Palm devices and so on and so forth. Apple showed that an all touch screen device, and further, an operating system based almost entirely on that type of hardware, could garner great demand in the market place whereas before the demand was, at least perceptibly, small.

Honestly, the thing that impressed me the most on the first iPhone was the keyboard. How the hell did it know what button i meant to press (since it was so crowded) lol.
But look what options we have now on Android... i can't imagine my life without Swype.

I still think that sooner or later some one else (if not Apple) would come up with the phones we take for granted now days (touch screen mini computers). It's just a logical evolution.

 

[dmmarck]

I don't necessarily disagree with that, although it's impossible to rewrite history . I was also intrigued by the keyboard, particularly how laggy it was on the very first one!

 

[JHBThree]

Honestly, the thing that impressed me the most on the first iPhone was the keyboard. How the hell did it know what button i meant to press (since it was so crowded) lol.
But look what options we have now on Android... i can't imagine my life without Swype.

I still think that sooner or later some one else (if not Apple) would come up with the phones we take for granted now days (touch screen mini computers). It's just a logical evolution.

It is. However, we would have gotten there by by walking. Apple was a freight train, like it or not, that launched the market in a completely different direction.

 

[JHBThree]

Sorry, i don't see it that way.
In the simplest terms what we have is a small computer (with icons just like your regular desktop) with a touch screen instead of a mouse/keyboard.
Please enlighten me why Android wouldn't be here without Apple.
Did Apple invent a touch screen? Icons on the desktop? No and no.
Maybe Android would be somewhat different con-ops wise but it would certainly be here. Google is not something to sneeze on.

Go look at android pre-iPhone and you'll understand why.

 

[Johnly]

That train was full of good marketing....but other companies were playing with the same idea, so I don't give apple a single cent of credit.

 

[mkiker2089]

Not necessarily--I honestly believe Apple was the catalyst for Android to get rolling.

Maybe, but I gotta say that all things being equal something "android like" would have wandered in eventually without Apple. Computers are taking over everything from toasters to garage door openers. It was just a matter of time.

Which also brings us to why patent wars are so frustrating. Imagine if someone had decided to patent the two button mouse. Two buttons was the next logical step but if someone got a patent in a few days before Logitech (just tossing a name, not giving them credit) then we would have been stuck with Bob's Mouse, complete with Carpal Tunnel inducing ergonomics. Earning a profit over unique ideas is great but we need a happy medium where computer evolution can be free to develop.

 

[RichardRight]

Sorry to use a Star Trek analogy, but later incarnations of the franchise were already using touch screens and icons before the iPhone came out. It might sound silly to say this, but I do so only to point out that we would have gotten to touch screen mobile devices without Apple. It was clearly an obvious evolution if sci fi already had the idea.

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[mkiker2089]

Sorry to use a Star Trek analogy, but later incarnations of the franchise were already using touch screens and icons before the iPhone came out. It might sound silly to say this, but I do so only to point out that we would have gotten to touch screen mobile devices without Apple. It was clearly an obvious evolution if sci fi already had the idea.

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Samsung used the movie 2001 as the first example of a touch screen portable computer. Others go back to Star Trek TOS since the clip boards handed to the captain are assumed to be computer linked even if the appearance is more traditional.

 

[JHBThree]

Samsung used the movie 2001 as the first example of a touch screen portable computer. Others go back to Star Trek TOS since the clip boards handed to the captain are assumed to be computer linked even if the appearance is more traditional.

And the judge laughed at them. (not even kidding)

 

[JHBThree]

Maybe, but I gotta say that all things being equal something "android like" would have wandered in eventually without Apple. Computers are taking over everything from toasters to garage door openers. It was just a matter of time.

Which also brings us to why patent wars are so frustrating. Imagine if someone had decided to patent the two button mouse. Two buttons was the next logical step but if someone got a patent in a few days before Logitech (just tossing a name, not giving them credit) then we would have been stuck with Bob's Mouse, complete with Carpal Tunnel inducing ergonomics. Earning a profit over unique ideas is great but we need a happy medium where computer evolution can be free to develop.

Eventually is the key word in your statement.

 

[JHBThree]

That train was full of good marketing....but other companies were playing with the same idea, so I don't give apple a single cent of credit.

Then you're lying to yourself and us in every post you make here.