Apple / Samsung Court Ruling

[Johnly]

I don't think he's either.

I appreciate that, and while we debate here and topics get heated, we can remain civil. No reason to insult people, call them drunk, trolls or act like a child. Thank you sir.

 

[Johnly]

Show me one phone with a large multitouch capacitive display that existed before the iPhone. You are under the false impression that history would have played out the same way without apple. The lack of any devices resembling the iPhone prior to its introduction (even multiple devices with only one or two of the elements), and the state of the marketplace at that time, proves your ideas not only wrong, but completely divergent from reality.

Your asking to much. I bet we both know what phones had the technology first and what they looked like. I am simply stating the technology was there, Apple did not invent it.

 

[JHBThree]

Your asking to much. I bet we both know what phones had the technology first and what they looked like. I am simply stating the technology was there, Apple did not invent it.

No ones claiming they did except or you. If you're going to say that something like the iPhone would have happened regardless of apple, you better have damn good proof to back it up. It frankly doesn't exist.

The fact is that apple brought all of those disparate technologies, and ones from outside of the mobile realm, together into a device the likes of which the mobile world had not seen. You keep moving goalposts by first claiming that where we are now would have happened without apple, and no claiming that apple has said they invented all of the technology in the iPhone. That's the sign of a weak argument and that you know what you're saying has no basis in reality.

 

[Johnly]

No ones claiming they did except or you. If you're going to say that something like the iPhone would have happened regardless of apple, you better have damn good proof to back it up. It frankly doesn't exist.

The fact is that apple brought all of those disparate technologies, and ones from outside of the mobile realm, together into a device the likes of which the mobile world had not seen. You keep moving goalposts by first claiming that where we are now would have happened without apple, and no claiming that apple has said they invented all of the technology in the iPhone. That's the sign of a weak argument and that you know what you're saying has no basis in reality.

I say touch, people hear multitouch. I am saying through and through that we would still have nice touch screen devices without Apple's iPhone. In fact, it will be Apple the stifles that. That is all I am saying, I have said it before, these are my opinions, that is it. There is nothing concrete to argue here, so again, I kindly bow out.
People think we wouldn't have awesome android devices without Apple? The opposite may turn out to be true, sir. And I respectfully disagree with you.

 

[jova33]

Samsung used the movie 2001 as the first example of a touch screen portable computer. Others go back to Star Trek TOS since the clip boards handed to the captain are assumed to be computer linked even if the appearance is more traditional.

The IBM Tele Pad wasn't a touch screen. It had hard buttons on the bottom for scrolling.

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[sirheck]

Your asking to much. I bet we both know what phones had the technology first and what they looked like. I am simply stating the technology was there, Apple did not invent it.

The LG Prada and Samsung F700 were both touch screens and came out about the
same time or just before the iphone.

 

[JHBThree]

The LG Prada and Samsung F700 were both touch screens and came out about the
same time or just before the iphone.

Neither had multi touch.

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[sirheck]

Did i say multi-touch?

No i didn't.

 

[JHBThree]

Did i say multi-touch?

No i didn't.

We know touchscreen phones existed before the iPhone (though one of the examples you gave debuted after the iPhone) We were talking about multi touch though.

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[sirheck]

Oh well that would be Mitsubishi's Diamond touch.
iphone only made it mainstream.

 

[sirheck]

Now before you spout off about something else the first would be IBM in the late 60,s
i do believe.

 

[JHBThree]

Oh well that would be Mitsubishi's Diamond touch.
iphone only made it mainstream.

Diamond touch was not a phone.

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[seriyb]

Diamond touch was not a phone.

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Like i said... narrow minded arguments.
Of course there cannot be any prove to show that the Android would be just fine or even better without iPhone/Apple. How the hell can anyone prove history otherwise?
However, you can always make logical arguments and conclusions based on human ingenuity and logical evolution of technology.

If a touch device was not multi touch, do you honestly believe that we would still be single touch even today without Apple?
If Diamond Touch was not a phone, do you honestly believe that we would not have a touch screen phone even today without Apple?

If you said "yes" to either one then i simply will not respond to you anymore because your creativity level is at zero. Quite frankly, this would be disrespectful to all the bright engineers at other companies outside Apple.

Apple deserves a credit for bringing this all together in the iPhone. Let's leave it at that and stop trying to make Apple God-like and above all other smart engineers in the world.

 

[seanbarman]

since android is open source and non profit making, why dont hardware manufacturers just make a phone with no software on it. apple could not sue them . People could just install it at there own free will like windows users install linux.

 

[seriyb]

since android is open source and non profit making, why dont hardware manufacturers just make a phone with no software on it. apple could not sue them . People could just install it at there own free will like windows users install linux.

I think it would be great. But it would only be a very tiny market share because most of the users don't know how to do this or don't want to deal with it. Also, no one can guarantee security/performance.

 

[mkiker2089]

Here's the thing, as was said above we can't prove what would happen without Apple. Asking someone to is actually creating a strawman analogy and is false logic.

However I will bite and say that with the billions of people on the earth do you really think Steve Jobs is the only person who had a brain? Really?

Here's my take on it. Apple may have sped the development up, but probably not by much. The smart phone was coming along nicely and touch screens existed. It was only a matter of time (and not much) for who would get it to work nicely together. Anyone with a Nintendo DS and a smart phone would think it up even. If anything Apple long term has SLOWED the development of the smart phone and Android. They do it in two ways. 1- dumbing things down for their "easy to use" OS means things get left out 2- suing anyone and everyone who has any creativity because they think they are the gods that some people in this thread act like they are.

I'm bowing out of this one however. We know how patent wars go and this is no exception. It's the same with all big wins. Some jury somewhere awards a lot and then in appeal things get reversed. Then the winner of the first will appeal the appeal. The only change here which was a good one, is that the initial trial had a time limit set on it to prevent some of the usual theatrics. Hopefully that's a precedent that stands.

 

[JHBThree]

Here's the thing, as was said above we can't prove what would happen without Apple. Asking someone to is actually creating a strawman analogy and is false logic.

However I will bite and say that with the billions of people on the earth do you really think Steve Jobs is the only person who had a brain? Really?

Here's my take on it. Apple may have sped the development up, but probably not by much. The smart phone was coming along nicely and touch screens existed. It was only a matter of time (and not much) for who would get it to work nicely together. Anyone with a Nintendo DS and a smart phone would think it up even. If anything Apple long term has SLOWED the development of the smart phone and Android. They do it in two ways. 1- dumbing things down for their "easy to use" OS means things get left out 2- suing anyone and everyone who has any creativity because they think they are the gods that some people in this thread act like they are.

I'm bowing out of this one however. We know how patent wars go and this is no exception. It's the same with all big wins. Some jury somewhere awards a lot and then in appeal things get reversed. Then the winner of the first will appeal the appeal. The only change here which was a good one, is that the initial trial had a time limit set on it to prevent some of the usual theatrics. Hopefully that's a precedent that stands.

Go take a look at android pre-iPhone and try and tell us again that it wouldn't be much time before the smartphone hit where apple pushed it to.

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[Michael Alan Goff]

People weren't going to change the smartphone from Blackberry-esque.

Why?

Most companies don't have the brand loyalty that Apple does. They're willing to try new things if Apple makes it, giving changes a chance. People saw it was good, recommended it, and then the modern smartphone took hold.

No other company seems to have that much loyalty.

 

[Ry]

No other company seems to have that much loyalty.

And every company wishes they had that kind of loyalty.

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[bassace]

Uh sure. Because Apple doesn't have a US headquarters with everything from marketing to R&D, retail outlets, and component factories in the US.

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But yet most of their money is off shored so they do not pay taxes on it.