Apple's injunction on the Nexus; UN hosting mobile patent talks.

[JHBThree]

That's awesome. Karma is a . Maybe Siri Inc sold to Apple knowing this was gonna happen. Took their money and ran... DEATH TO APPLE

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Somebody needs to get a hobby...

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[kgk1985]

Somebody needs to get a hobby...

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Me? Why so? Cuz i tell it how it is?

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[JHBThree]

Me? Why so? Cuz i tell it how it is?

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More like you take this way too seriously. Apple has done nothing to harm you. Wishing 'death' to them would put tens of thousands of people out of work, and have a ripple effect with other suppliers and manufacturers as well. Saying 'death to apple' doesn't add anything meaningful to the conversation.

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[Speedygi]

Haha I don't understand why there must be a shipping delay for Galaxy Nexii sold from the Play Store... Stupidest ruling I have heard yet.

 

[kgk1985]

More like you take this way too seriously. Apple has done nothing to harm you. Wishing 'death' to them would put tens of thousands of people out of work, and have a ripple effect with other suppliers and manufacturers as well. Saying 'death to apple' doesn't add anything meaningful to the conversation.

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Haha. Sounds like you are the one who takes it too seriously bro. I was just messing around. Loosen your panties a tad

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[TomD]

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Apple is headed down the slippery slope to litigate not innovate.

Apple's hypocrisy is pretty amazing. They are infringing on Palm's original smart phone patent for the Treo. They are not outraged by stealing Palm's IP. Seems that companies who's egos get to big are doomed. So long Apple, we hardly knew you.

They will wind up like Microsoft. After Bill Gates was on the nightly news for weeks giving non answers to the federal investigations into Microsoft's shenanigans, the prestige of Microsoft plummeted. Microsoft is no longer the place programmers dream of working for.

Apple will soon loose its stellar public image as well.

Its a shame, I like competition. It will take a while, but the decline of Apple will come, unless they get rid of this terminal case of stupid.

 

[dmmarck]

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Somebody needs to get a hobby...

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Me? Why so? Cuz i tell it how it is?

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More like you take this way too seriously. Apple has done nothing to harm you. Wishing 'death' to them would put tens of thousands of people out of work, and have a ripple effect with other suppliers and manufacturers as well. Saying 'death to apple' doesn't add anything meaningful to the conversation.

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Let's try to keep some level of civility with this discussion. This is a great thread and discussion and there is absolutely no need to get personal.

 

[JHBThree]

Apple is headed down the slippery slope to litigate not innovate.

Apple's hypocrisy is pretty amazing. They are infringing on Palm's original smart phone patent for the Treo. They are not outraged by stealing Palm's IP. Seems that companies who's egos get to big are doomed. So long Apple, we hardly knew you.

They will wind up like Microsoft. After Bill Gates was on the nightly news for weeks giving non answers to the federal investigations into Microsoft's shenanigans, the prestige of Microsoft plummeted. Microsoft is no longer the place programmers dream of working for.

Apple will soon loose its stellar public image as well.

Its a shame, I like competition. It will take a while, but the decline of Apple will come, unless they get rid of this terminal case of stupid.

Care to cite said 'palm smartphone patent'?

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[zkSharks]

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Care to cite said 'palm smartphone patent'?

I believe he's referring to US Patent #8,082,523 . The patent is described as follows:

Portable electronic device with graphical user interface supporting application switching

A portable electronic device displays, on a touch screen display, a user interface for a phone application during a phone call. In response to detecting activation of a menu icon or menu button, the UI for the phone application is replaced with a menu of application icons, while maintaining the phone call. In response to detecting a finger gesture on a non-telephone service application icon, displaying a user interface for the non-telephone service application while continuing to maintain the phone call, the UI for the non-telephone service application including a switch application icon that is not displayed in the UI when there is no ongoing phone call. In response to detecting a finger gesture on the switch application icon, replacing display of the UI for the non-telephone service application with a respective UI for the phone application while continuing to maintain the phone call.

TL;DR: Pressing a menu icon/button while in a phone call presents a screen of application icons (home button, launcher/app drawer). A touch gesture on an icon opens said non-dialer/phone application and interaction with that app may ensue without disrupting the phone call.

Now, ignore for a minute that this patent could arguably encompass all homescreen/launcher/app drawer use while on the phone, which I do all the time on my Nexus. Palm had this functionality back in the Treo, which can be found in the Treo 600's User Guide in the sidebar of page 43.

I do not know whether Palm has a patent on this functionality or not, however a key component of receiving a patent is Prior art:

Prior art [...] in most systems of patent law, constitutes all information that has been made available to the public in any form before a given date that might be relevant to a patent's claims of originality. If an invention has been described in the prior art, a patent on that invention is not valid.

Emphasis added.

 

[cbbartley]

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And that's the problem. Every gov position should have term limits. Too many do what's best for them not us. And a judge that's 85 years old can't understand today's tech and how apples is not worlds developer like apple claims....

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That's a slippery slope in and of itself. A federal judge's term is lifelong to avoid political and other outside pressures from being able to influence a judge's decision. We do have a failure on older judge's part to keep up with current technology. It just behooves me how these old dudes are appointed to the technical division in the first place when it has been clear that so many of them never had an interest in the first place.

 

[cbbartley]

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Yup. They can now sue Google for Glass and they don't even have a product yet. It's Google's fault though. They should have patented the tech when they thought of it.

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They would have to establish controversy before trying to sue over this. Can't be done without a product based on this tech or else their suit would be deemed preemptive thus giving reason for dismissal. Just read up on Xerox vs Apple.

 

[georgeanderson]

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I'm with Jerry in that Google had multiple search results from a single interface with Google desktop years ago. And since the older tablets were all windows, you could put Desktop on your tablet, thus making it mobile.
PRIOR ART.
This patent needs to be invalidated.

 

[JHBThree]

I'm with Jerry in that Google had multiple search results from a single interface with Google desktop years ago. And since the older tablets were all windows, you could put Desktop on your tablet, thus making it mobile.
PRIOR ART.
This patent needs to be invalidated.

Apples patent was filed before Google desktop existed.

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[JHBThree]

They would have to establish controversy before trying to sue over this. Can't be done without a product based on this tech or else their suit would be deemed preemptive thus giving reason for dismissal. Just read up on Xerox vs Apple.

That and what apple patented is very, very different.

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[jroc]

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I'm with Jerry in that Google had multiple search results from a single interface with Google desktop years ago. And since the older tablets were all windows, you could put Desktop on your tablet, thus making it mobile.
PRIOR ART.
This patent needs to be invalidated.

Ready for some more prior art:

Copernic Desktop Search - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernic

I would like to see this explained away......The actual website has a copyright from 1996 - 2012... I guess Apples search patent pre dates this too....

 

[JHBThree]

Ready for some more prior art:

Copernic Desktop Search - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernic

I would like to see this explained away......The actual website has a copyright from 1996 - 2012... I guess Apples search patent pre dates this too....

Still not prior art. Apples patent searches multiple separate sources for its data. That one only searches the local source.

The verbiage of the patent is important when looking at prior art.

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[ItnStln]

Apple is the ORIGINAL rippers of others ideas. They championed it in the early days (late seventies & early eighties). I find it laughable to see them now belly B***hing about Google and almost everyone else for doing what Apple did 30 years ago.

It's innovating, and we all benefit when everyone competes for our attention!

Apple should probably find the door to these legal situation before they find themselves on the other side of the PR fence, the bad side of the PR fence that is.

Very true! And didn't BlackBerry and Android have universal search before Apple?

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[jroc]

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Still not prior art. Apples patent searches multiple separate sources for its data. That one only searches the local source.

The verbiage of the patent is important when looking at prior art.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copernic_Desktop_Search_screenshot.png

See beside 11 matching documents...."more on the web"

See that first 2 tabs at the top...the Web and All.

Alot of things are important with these patents when it involves Apple. Like the article about them sending cease and desist letters to retailers about the Galaxy Tab and G Nex. Wonder if Apple sent a revised letter after Samsung appealed the G Nex....

http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/13/3157505/apple-retailer-galaxy-nexus-tab-10-1-takedown-order

I never asked this: why not go after Google and Copernic waaaay back then? Apple is so innovative with products and patents.....yet they have a lazy legal team? Yea....alot of things are important with these patents when it involves Apple.

 

[TomD]

Very true! And didn't BlackBerry and Android have universal search before Apple?

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No, but Palm did on the Pre.

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[jroc]

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No, but Palm did on the Pre.

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What? You dont say....lets see if Apple files a lawsuit against Palm... Let me take a guess... Palm isnt selling like it used to....so they dont care about protecting their patents when it comes to Palm...