Aren't you glad LG went with LCD?

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Where is your factual evidence? Are you basing this on the fact of what other people say and from your opinion? Just cause' it doesn't display black pixels means it's more power efficient.

I normally don't do this, but my friend you need to do a basic google search. The only way in which AMOLED displays are less power efficient than an LCD display are if the brightness is set differently. An example of the reason that iPhones went with OLED on the iPhone X can be found here: https://www.macworld.com/article/32...the-iphone-xs-display-changes-everything.html it's because it saves power and has the technology to look a lot better.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Nice, see IPS LCD is actually very efficient. OLED requires more power. Plus, you get truer whites, much more satisfying than black blacks.

Both of these statements, the second and third, are false. From the article I just linked, "The display is typically the most power-hungry component in any phone because of the backlight. By removing it, the iPhone will be more power efficient, which is great for users". and "Just as important is the image. OLEDs display more vibrant colors, have deeper blacks and brighter whites and a greater contrast ratio so most people find them superior to LCD".

In terms of power consumption, LED's win for two reasons. 1 is removing the backlight and 2 is the ability to adjust brightness on an individual pixel level. In terms of display accuracy, the two technologies are both capable of having incredibly accurate color rendering, but that mastery is easier to achieve with LED displays. The most accurate mobile display in the world is the iPhone X.

 

[Mike Dee]

Nice, see IPS LCD is actually very efficient. OLED requires more power. Plus, you get truer whites, much more satisfying than black blacks. I really enjoy the LCD screen, plus it's inability to get screen burn in.. you can be on the phone for hours.. the keyboard gets burned in first on an OLED.

With LCD the backlight is always on so you have to light evey pixel even if you only need one.... where are the power savings?

With AMOLED when the pixels are black they are completely off.

 

[B0WIE]

Nice, see IPS LCD is actually very efficient. OLED requires more power. Plus, you get truer whites, much more satisfying than black blacks. I really enjoy the LCD screen, plus it's inability to get screen burn in.. you can be on the phone for hours.. the keyboard gets burned in first on an OLED.

I agree with you as far as phones go. I love my OLED TV, even though it heats up the whole room, it makes a difference in dark scenes, esp when gaming. I can't see that really being a huge benefit on a phone though as you're not going to see that low level detail anyway. I much prefer my phone to be able to do what this one is doing; being as bright as I need it with low power consumption and no burn-in fears.

 

[flyingkytez]

With LCD the backlight is always on so you have to light evey pixel even if you only need one.... where are the power savings?

With AMOLED when the pixels are black they are completely off.

No, you are partially right. When black pixels are displayed, you get power savings and AOD in low brightness is possible without killing the battery (though LG has achieved AOD on LCD too with their own technology). But the cost to power those individual pixels offset the overall battery life... displaying every single tiny white pixels uses a lot more power versus just a single LCD backlit panel. AMOLED demands more power OVERALL. When the pixels are completely off, you save battery. When they are on, they eat up more battery than LCD.

Read here, same exact device but one with AMOLED:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/should-you-buy-oled-laptop/

 

[flyingkytez]

I agree with you as far as phones go. I love my OLED TV, even though it heats up the whole room, it makes a difference in dark scenes, esp when gaming. I can't see that really being a huge benefit on a phone though as you're not going to see that low level detail anyway. I much prefer my phone to be able to do what this one is doing; being as bright as I need it with low power consumption and no burn-in fears.

The G7's "Ultra Bright Mode" would NOT be feasible or even possible with an AMOLED device. This was probably partly their decision. Ultra bright mode on an AMOLED would result in premature screen burn-in I guarantee it, and LG would have to eat the cost of warranty fixes.

 

[flyingkytez]

Both of these statements, the second and third, are false. From the article I just linked, "The display is typically the most power-hungry component in any phone because of the backlight. By removing it, the iPhone will be more power efficient, which is great for users". and "Just as important is the image. OLEDs display more vibrant colors, have deeper blacks and brighter whites and a greater contrast ratio so most people find them superior to LCD".

In terms of power consumption, LED's win for two reasons. 1 is removing the backlight and 2 is the ability to adjust brightness on an individual pixel level. In terms of display accuracy, the two technologies are both capable of having incredibly accurate color rendering, but that mastery is easier to achieve with LED displays. The most accurate mobile display in the world is the iPhone X.

More "superior" in terms of what your eyes see, however not the most FEASIBLE for a mobile device.. imagine a GPS device with an AMOLED screen.. beautiful right?? Not after a while.. that bad boy is going to burn in so terribly, it won't look beautiful anymore. (95% of people use their phone as a GPS nav). The AMOLED tricks people, it looks great at first but after the honeymoon phase and burn in happens, you toss it.

BTW laptops and monitors will still continue to use LCD as the main source because why? You already know. Also, photo editing on an AMOLED screen will throw you off so badly, when you view the final product on a monitor or TV, it looks completely different.

Say all you want but white colors look wayy better on an IPS LCD than ANY AMOLED screen, it doesn't even come close. Whiter whites are more satisfying. Colors look wayy too warm and red on AMOLED, and greys look hideous (try displaying an all grey background.. look at all those flaws...). They iPhone X looks good but also looks like a cartoon, childish colors.

It comes down to beauty vs feasibility... a phone is used as a daily tool, not something to worship. LCD is still highly used and preferred in the tech world. You see those new McDonald's menu TV screen? Guess what, not possible with an AMOLED screen...

 

[flyingkytez]

Absolutely nothing wrong with LCD. Loved my V20 display. Wasn't bright enough in bright sun but still no slouch. I am liking OLED at the moment.

The G7 fixed the low brightness with its new ultra bright mode. Brightest phone in history, and ONLY possible with an LCD.. an AMOLED will not work because of severe premature screen burn in...

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

More "superior" in terms of what your eyes see, however not the most FEASIBLE for a mobile device.. imagine a GPS device with an AMOLED screen.. beautiful right?? Not after a while.. that bad boy is going to burn in so terribly, it won't look beautiful anymore. (95% of people use their phone as a GPS nav). The AMOLED tricks people, it looks great at first but after the honeymoon phase and burn in happens, you toss it.

BTW laptops and monitors will still continue to use LCD as the main source because why? You already know. Also, photo editing on an AMOLED screen will throw you off so badly, when you view the final product on a monitor or TV, it looks completely different.

Say all you want but white colors look wayy better on an IPS LCD than ANY AMOLED screen, it doesn't even come close. Whiter whites are more satisfying. Colors look wayy too warm and red on AMOLED, and greys look hideous (try displaying an all grey background.. look at all those flaws...). They iPhone X looks good but also looks like a cartoon, childish colors.

It comes down to beauty vs feasibility... a phone is used as a daily tool, not something to worship. LCD is still highly used and preferred in the tech world. You see those new McDonald's menu TV screen? Guess what, not possible with an AMOLED screen...

Well I'm sorry I don't even know how to reply to any of that. There's not a single bit of Truth anywhere in there and it seems obvious you don't care about anything factual, only your preconceptions based on erroneous or anecdotal claims.

 

[bhatech]

The G7 fixed the low brightness with its new ultra bright mode. Brightest phone in history, and ONLY possible with an LCD.. an AMOLED will not work because of severe premature screen burn in...

That ultra bright boosted mode is great but that has to be turned on manually without option to turn on automatically (what a great decision /s).

And second, there is a limitation that it can only be on continuously for like 2 or 3 minutes. No big deal for me but still a limitation.

And third, even though G7 display is great their auto brightness algorithm absolutely sucks. I never had auto brightness default to such low brightness. And we don't even have option to adjust brightness intensity like on other phones. You got to use LG automatic brightness settings without ability to adjust or use manual brightness which sucks. What's the point of a good display if it's not bright enough in normal scenarios with auto brightness. I'm pretty sure they do this for battery optimization and it does show since I get great battery life on G7. My gripe is I should be able to adjust auto brightness intensity ...grr.

At this point, it's like beating a dead horse since we all know that you aren't going to say anything negative about any of LG stuff irrespective is it's great or bad

 

[Mike Dee]

No, you are partially right. When black pixels are displayed, you get power savings and AOD in low brightness is possible without killing the battery (though LG has achieved AOD on LCD too with their own technology). But the cost to power those individual pixels offset the overall battery life... displaying every single tiny white pixels uses a lot more power versus just a single LCD backlit panel. AMOLED demands more power OVERALL. When the pixels are completely off, you save battery. When they are on, they eat up more battery than LCD.

Read here, same exact device but one with AMOLED:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/should-you-buy-oled-laptop/

No such thing as partially right....just right.

You also post a link to defend your argument about laptops. The implementation is not the same.

 

[Mike Dee]

The G7 fixed the low brightness with its new ultra bright mode. Brightest phone in history, and ONLY possible with an LCD.. an AMOLED will not work because of severe premature screen burn in...

Not everyone suffers from burn in

 

[Mike Dee]

More "superior" in terms of what your eyes see, however not the most FEASIBLE for a mobile device.. imagine a GPS device with an AMOLED screen.. beautiful right?? Not after a while.. that bad boy is going to burn in so terribly, it won't look beautiful anymore. (95% of people use their phone as a GPS nav). The AMOLED tricks people, it looks great at first but after the honeymoon phase and burn in happens, you toss it.

BTW laptops and monitors will still continue to use LCD as the main source because why? You already know. Also, photo editing on an AMOLED screen will throw you off so badly, when you view the final product on a monitor or TV, it looks completely different.

Say all you want but white colors look wayy better on an IPS LCD than ANY AMOLED screen, it doesn't even come close. Whiter whites are more satisfying. Colors look wayy too warm and red on AMOLED, and greys look hideous (try displaying an all grey background.. look at all those flaws...). They iPhone X looks good but also looks like a cartoon, childish colors.

It comes down to beauty vs feasibility... a phone is used as a daily tool, not something to worship. LCD is still highly used and preferred in the tech world. You see those new McDonald's menu TV screen? Guess what, not possible with an AMOLED screen...

I used both LCD and OLED extensivly for
GPS for long trips and never had burn in.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Not everyone suffers from burn in

Burn in does not happen from normal usage of devices. It happens from extended periods of a static image on the screen with extreme brightness. we're not talking about a few minutes or a few hours here we're talking about leaving the thing on constantly. and even then for the most part you're talking about status bar icons or the navigation row and with Samsung and Google phones those features as well as the always on display have the components move by a few pixels periodically to avoid burn in because that essentially solves the problem across the board for their devices. Burn in is very common on Display Devices when they've been on display for quite some time in the store and is incredibly rare in the real world.

 

[Mike Dee]

Burn in does not happen from normal usage of devices. It happens from extended periods of a static image on the screen with extreme brightness. we're not talking about a few minutes or a few hours here we're talking about leaving the thing on constantly. and even then for the most part you're talking about status bar icons or the navigation row and with Samsung and Google phones those features as well as the always on display have the components move by a few pixels periodically to avoid burn in because that essentially solves the problem across the board for their devices. Burn in is very common on Display Devices when they've been on display for quite some time in the store and is incredibly rare in the real world.

I know that and you know that....alot of people know that. Some people just know what they believe.

 

[flyingkytez]

No such thing as partially right....just right.

You also post a link to defend your argument about laptops. The implementation is not the same.

Quote:

"These results were clear and consistent. Going OLED decreased battery life between 10 to 25 percent, depending on load.

We saw the biggest drain in Peacekeeper, a web-browsing benchmark. It happens to have a white background around the test itself, so it’s bright. Our video test, meanwhile, saw the smallest variation. That makes sense, as the clip (a trailer of The Avengers) has many dimly let scenes.
OLED-Laptop-Graph-Battery-Life-Minutes

Why does battery life shorten? It appears that, with current OLED panels, a fully lit screen uses a bit more power than an LCD screen. Remember, there’s no backlight with OLED. Instead, each individual pixel is lit, as needed. When all the pixels are lit, they’re downing a lot of juice.

This result isn’t great for OLED – but it’s not a disaster, either. A laptop that has 5 hours of battery life might be reduced to 4 hours if OLED is swapped in. That’s bad if you need 5 hours, but inconsequential if you rarely use more than 3 hours at once."

Conclusion, AMOLED drains up more battery.. especially when displaying white pixels. You're looking at 10-25 percent less than IPS LCD. But don't worry, most flagships nowdays are more energy efficient regardless and you can always switch to a dark theme.

 

[flyingkytez]

Not everyone suffers from burn in

Not yet, but eventually depending on how the person uses it. Look at the S8 forums, there's a thread. Disappointed users...

 

[flyingkytez]

I used both LCD and OLED extensivly for
GPS for long trips and never had burn in.

Depends on users usage.. heavy users suffer from it first. Check the S8 forums, I made a thread. People are talking about it.

 

[Mike Dee]

Quote:

"These results were clear and consistent. Going OLED decreased battery life between 10 to 25 percent, depending on load.

We saw the biggest drain in Peacekeeper, a web-browsing benchmark. It happens to have a white background around the test itself, so it’s bright. Our video test, meanwhile, saw the smallest variation. That makes sense, as the clip (a trailer of The Avengers) has many dimly let scenes.
OLED-Laptop-Graph-Battery-Life-Minutes

Why does battery life shorten? It appears that, with current OLED panels, a fully lit screen uses a bit more power than an LCD screen. Remember, there’s no backlight with OLED. Instead, each individual pixel is lit, as needed. When all the pixels are lit, they’re downing a lot of juice.

This result isn’t great for OLED – but it’s not a disaster, either. A laptop that has 5 hours of battery life might be reduced to 4 hours if OLED is swapped in. That’s bad if you need 5 hours, but inconsequential if you rarely use more than 3 hours at once."

Conclusion, AMOLED drains up more battery.. especially when displaying white pixels. You're looking at 10-25 percent less than IPS LCD. But don't worry, most flagships nowdays are more energy efficient regardless and you can always switch to a dark theme.

Again the implementation makes your argument invalid when applied to smartphones.

 

[Mike Dee]

Depends on users usage.. heavy users suffer from it first. Check the S8 forums, I made a thread. People are talking about it.

I told you how I used them....again no burn in....not even on heavy usage. Burn in does not occur from heavy usuage....it occurs from misusage.