Bionic's still coming, is defintely new hardware - XT875

[Oxn]

innovative - being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before

Cruiserdude - I agree with a lot of your points. However, the discussion was not whether Motorola has been floundering with bringing a good portfolio of products to market. I wouldn't say that they are as far behind as everyone seems to think, but they have definitely been overtaken by the competition.

The point that CK and others are making is that the other companies have been innovating while Motorola has not. That is just simply not true. There is not a single innovation in any Android smartphone that has been released this year, other than the "I love to hate it" Webtop.

and the "i love to hate pentile display"

cause im cool

 

[Oxn]

and the "i love to hate pentile display"

cause im cool

and lets not forget the always popular, "unlock the bootloader"

 

[Preach2k]

and the "i love to hate pentile display"

cause im cool

I went to Verizon Yesterday. Just to look at the DX2 and The Charge again.I like the display on both took a picture with both. The picture on the the Charge looked more colorful then the Item I took a picture of. The DX2 look closer to the item color wise but just a little washed out. I do not see anything wrong with the penile Display. I can deal with it. It is not a big thing to me Imo. With the charge is there a such thing as over coloring something then that is the Amoled screens it kind of looked cartoonish in a way. I am waiting on the Bionic. Although the GS2 would be my second choice unless it is LTE then I might take it over the Bionic. I would be happy with both...

 

[rkeller62]

I went to Verizon Yesterday. Just to look at the DX2 and The Charge again.I like the display on both took a picture with both. The picture on the the Charge looked more colorful then the Item I took a picture of. The DX2 look closer to the item color wise but just a little washed out. I do not see anything wrong with the penile Display. I can deal with it. It is not a big thing to me Imo. With the charge is there a such thing as over coloring something then that is the Amoled screens it kind of looked cartoonish in a way. I am waiting on the Bionic. Although the GS2 would be my second choice unless it is LTE then I might take it over the Bionic. I would be happy with both...

Yes, a typical "feature" of any AMOLED display is the over saturation of colors. This is not usually complained about because most people like the "wow" factor of a really colorful punchy display. The same thing goes for printed output. Most people will pick an over saturated inaccurate page over a more accurate less saturated one.

EDIT: I took a look at both the Charge and X2 yesterday using my trusty OGD as a reference point. There were definitely pluses and minuses to both displays and I wouldn't personally consider one to be vastly superior to the other. For me, I think I would be less bothered by the screen on the X2 than I would the Charge's, but that is just a personal preference.

 

[Oxn]

Yes, a typical "feature" of any AMOLED display is the over saturation of colors. This is not usually complained about because most people like the "wow" factor of a really colorful punchy display. The same thing goes for printed output. Most people will pick an over saturated inaccurate page over a more accurate less saturated one.

EDIT: I took a look at both the Charge and X2 yesterday using my trusty OGD as a reference point. There were definitely pluses and minuses to both displays and I wouldn't personally consider one to be vastly superior to the other. For me, I think I would be less bothered by the screen on the X2 than I would the Charge's, but that is just a personal preference.

CK is going to tell you that your preference is wrong

 

[Suntan]

EDIT: I took a look at both the Charge and X2 yesterday using my trusty OGD as a reference point. There were definitely pluses and minuses to both displays and I wouldn't personally consider one to be vastly superior to the other. For me, I think I would be less bothered by the screen on the X2 than I would the Charge's, but that is just a personal preference.

I?ve never really looked at any of the pentile displays closely so I?ll reserve judgement on those (had no interest in the DX2) but I did check out the Charge the last time I went into a store.

I agree the colors on the Samsung look a little comic book. I much prefer an ?accurate? depiction instead of an overly saturated version.

One thing I keep forgetting to do, when I go in to the store, is check and see how these various screens react to polarized sunglasses. Any comments about which types of screens work best with polarized sunglasses?

-Suntan

 

[Preach2k]

Yes, a typical "feature" of any AMOLED display is the over saturation of colors. This is not usually complained about because most people like the "wow" factor of a really colorful punchy display. The same thing goes for printed output. Most people will pick an over saturated inaccurate page over a more accurate less saturated one.

EDIT: I took a look at both the Charge and X2 yesterday using my trusty OGD as a reference point. There were definitely pluses and minuses to both displays and I wouldn't personally consider one to be vastly superior to the other. For me, I think I would be less bothered by the screen on the X2 than I would the Charge's, but that is just a personal preference.

I also used the original DX I gave to my wife as a guide also. I think the DX2 Display is a little better then the DX. I also look at the Revolution also it look pretty good and it had no lag. Good color. I think LG dropped the ball with the Revolution it should of been dual core.. Other then a friend in the store I finally got an Honest store rep that said they do not know anything about phones until they get the papers for them and start to train... She said that she get all her info from people who watch the forums...lol

 

[bworley50]

They are dragging their feet in the top tier Android smartphone market. Plain and simple. I'm not talking about flips, cliqs and back flips. This is Android Central man!!! lol

Perhaps I missed the mad rush of DX owners throwing their handsets on Craigslist so they could get their hands on the DX2, maybe the mad rush for the D3 will prove me wrong and maybe just maybe the Atrix I mean Bionic will be a bestseller....................


VRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR thats my Elephant stampede roar

Still have my DX and haven't got the DX2 because I'm waiting on the fing Bionic. Motorola now has quality Android smartphones with ALL the major carriers. Motorola's devices are solid. They don't break as easily as their competitors, and have better battery life. Also, even though I realize I will be criticized as being jingoistic (unfortunate b/c I grew up being proud to be an American), but Motorola is an AMERICAN company. An American company that is holding their own in a market DOMINATED by foreign competitors. We should all be proud of their devices, while insisting on top quality. They're not perfect, but we should celebrate their accomplishments and be proud to carry their devices. As far as innovation is concerned, please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Motorola innovate with the OG Droid? The screen size with DX? Dual core tablet? 1st Honeycomb tablet? 1st dual core 3G smartphone? We should all want them to succeed, but hold their feet to the fire when they screw up (LTE SD Xoom?)

 

[bworley50]

I?ve never really looked at any of the pentile displays closely so I?ll reserve judgement on those (had no interest in the DX2) but I did check out the Charge the last time I went into a store.

I agree the colors on the Samsung look a little comic book. I much prefer an ?accurate? depiction instead of an overly saturated version.

One thing I keep forgetting to do, when I go in to the store, is check and see how these various screens react to polarized sunglasses. Any comments about which types of screens work best with polarized sunglasses?

-Suntan

Normally in portrait mode with polarized sunglasses, everything is cool. Then when you go landscape is when you can't see things well. The Charge has the same terrible effect when wearing polarized sunglasses in both portrait and landscape modes

 

[Suntan]

Also, even though I realize I will be criticized as being jingoistic (unfortunate b/c I grew up being proud to be an American), but Motorola is an AMERICAN company. An American company that is holding their own in a market DOMINATED by foreign competitors.

That loses a lot when you stop to realize all their stuff is actually manufactured by outsourced Chinese fabrication plants.

That said, I too find value in handsets that hold up well, and actually have good reception. Moreso than the ability to replace its OS with an OS made by Tom, Dick and Sally.

-Suntan

 

[Asterdroid]

Still have my DX and haven't got the DX2 because I'm waiting on the fing Bionic. Motorola now has quality Android smartphones with ALL the major carriers. Motorola's devices are solid. They don't break as easily as their competitors, and have better battery life. Also, even though I realize I will be criticized as being jingoistic (unfortunate b/c I grew up being proud to be an American), but Motorola is an AMERICAN company. An American company that is holding their own in a market DOMINATED by foreign competitors. We should all be proud of their devices, while insisting on top quality. They're not perfect, but we should celebrate their accomplishments and be proud to carry their devices. As far as innovation is concerned, please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Motorola innovate with the OG Droid? The screen size with DX? Dual core tablet? 1st Honeycomb tablet? 1st dual core 3G smartphone? We should all want them to succeed, but hold their feet to the fire when they screw up (LTE SD Xoom?)

I used to feel that way until I bought a Japanese car. I can't kill the thing. I wish that weren't the case. I'm all for patriotism, but I'm too selfish to sacrifice quality for it.

As far as smartphones are concerned, I've been much happier with my Incredible than I was with my OG Droid in every way other than build quality.

 

[bworley50]

That loses a lot when you stop to realize all their stuff is actually manufactured by outsourced Chinese fabrication plants.

That said, I too find value in handsets that hold up well, and actually have good reception. Moreso than the ability to replace its OS with an OS made by Tom, Dick and Sally.

-Suntan

Not all. Motorola has production facilities around the globe. Most American companies outsource. That is a function of our standard of living and lower labor costs abroad. That tide is turning, though. Currently with our high unemplyment rate, and the fact that China is experiencing high inflation, at some point those jobs will have to come back here

 

[Castor Troy]

i guess CK decided to troll once hes arguement went out the window.

No, there's just no use beating a dead horse. I can only state my opinion so many times before it gets redundant.

I made my point(s) and voiced my opinion. I bolded cruiserdudes statement that summarized my ENTIRE feelings on the matter (see above)

In regards to you saying I will tell people they are wrong for not liking SAMOLED+. That's their preference. I'm not going to tell them their wrong. As the gentlemen above said " saturation is part of the allure " and some may not like it just as some of us do not like the pixelated look of the pentile LCD that Moto uses. To some of us it looks horrible just as the SAMOLED+ looks horrible to others. Don't take things personal and get sensitive over inanimate objects. We are just stating our opinions.

Forums will always draw differing opinion's.

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[bworley50]

I used to feel that way until I bought a Japanese car. I can't kill the thing. I wish that weren't the case. I'm all for patriotism, but I'm too selfish to sacrifice quality for it.

As far as smartphones are concerned, I've been much happier with my Incredible than I was with my OG Droid in every way other than build quality.

The Japanese make great cars; however I would be willing to bet that the ONLY thing in your Japanese car that was manufactured in Japan is the engine. They outsource as well, and it was probably assembled in the USA. It really is a global economy, and my whole point about the American thing is that when the end device is American, and has shown to be a quality product, regardless of where the parts were manufactured, I feel proud. As should the Japanese feel about their products, regardless of where they're manufactured.

 

[bworley50]

No, there's just no use beating a dead horse. I can only state my opinion so many times before it gets redundant.

I made my point(s) and voiced my opinion. I bolded cruiserdudes statement that summarized my ENTIRE feelings on the matter (see above)

In regards to you saying I will tell people they are wrong for not liking SAMOLED+. That's their preference. I'm not going to tell them their wrong. As the gentlemen above said " saturation is part of the allure " and some may not like it just as some of us do not like the pixelated look of the pentile LCD that Moto uses. To some of us it looks horrible just as the SAMOLED+ looks horrible to others. Don't take things personal and get sensitive over inanimate objects. We are just stating our opinions.

Forums will always draw differing opinion's.

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I had the Charge and brought it back. I really liked SAMOLED. A little cartoonish, but awesome. Samsung has a unique competency as they are vertically integrated. They actually make the screens. You mention earlier that Motorola uses pentile because it's too costly. I disagreed, arguing about battery life, etc...In addition to that, Motorola cannot use the Samsung SAMOLED because that would mean they are sending money to a direct competitor, even when they could easily afford to do so. That is why Sony stopped getting their LCD screens from Samsung. Samsung starting eating their lunch while Sony was paying for it. Not a smart business strategy.

 

[Oxn]

No, there's just no use beating a dead horse. I can only state my opinion so many times before it gets redundant.

I made my point(s) and voiced my opinion. I bolded cruiserdudes statement that summarized my ENTIRE feelings on the matter (see above)

In regards to you saying I will tell people they are wrong for not liking SAMOLED+. That's their preference. I'm not going to tell them their wrong. As the gentlemen above said " saturation is part of the allure " and some may not like it just as some of us do not like the pixelated look of the pentile LCD that Moto uses. To some of us it looks horrible just as the SAMOLED+ looks horrible to others. Don't take things personal and get sensitive over inanimate objects. We are just stating our opinions.

Forums will always draw differing opinion's.

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I can respect your opinion, if your opinion was actually based on fair facts.

Like i said, how can you compare the evo 4g to evo 3d or SGI to SGII, which are 1 year apart, to Atrix photon and Bionic which are maximum 6 months apart. And thats only because Atrix was soo ahead of the curve. If that was the case then why dont you compare the Increible 2 to Thunderbolt.

Is the jump from DX to Bionic not as great a jump as EVO 4G to EVO 3D?

In what way is the Evo 3D more evolved than Bionic? Is it because its released 2 months ahead of time? Sure they may have messed up there a little bit there but its only 2 months. If 2 months is such a big deal in smartphone timeline then i guess when you get the SGII and 2 months later your gonna be dissapointed?

i look forward to your response

 

[Johnly]

CK is going to tell you that your preference is wrong

CK is so cool he has Oxn going naustrodomus on him........ Effen hilarious
Woof, hahahahahaha

 

[Castor Troy]

Oxn, EVO 4G to EVO 3D vs DX to DX2. There's no comparison.

Atrix is their biggest innovation since the Droid and in between that time Motorola has done absolutely NOTHING but incremental updates and renovations to existing hardware. They have not brought in anything new and/or substantial ( I will give you the DX though)

Because of this I still own the Droid for crying out loud.

Do you realize I had an upgrade available since the Incredible was released? What was I waiting for? A Motorola device. I didn't want another device if it didn't have Motorola's name on it. Yes I was that kind of fan. I didn't just come up with all this frustration because its "cool" to bash them. Maybe that will shed some light on my frustration with them.



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[Suntan]

That tide is turning, though. Currently with our high unemplyment rate, and the fact that China is experiencing high inflation, at some point those jobs will have to come back here

Not to get too far off topic, but as a design engineer that is responsible for getting new deigns into production in plants around the world, I?ll honestly say there?s more to the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs from America than just cost of labor.

Simply put, America?s manufacturing plants are not competitive.

Years ago factories were kept filled with guys (and some girls) that came in from the rural farm areas that at least had some common mechanical aptitude. Those folk don?t really exist in large numbers anymore. Or at least they have no desire to work for minimum wage in a factory.

Now you get illegal aliens (bless them for wanting a better life) that always just nod and sheepishly mutter ?Yes, yes.? When you ask them if they understand what you just explained to them, or the high school dropouts that can?t keep a job at McDonalds. I?m not embellishing here, these are specific cases I?ve seen more than once. People straight in off the streets that literally don?t know how to use a screwdriver.

At the same time the mid level workers in American factories are all just a bunch of whiners. Every time I go to one of our factories in rural Minnesota I hear the same thing from at least one or another of them, without fail. First they complain about how hard and challenging the new version of this or that product is to assemble and how they wish we hadn?t changed it? ?then I hear them complain about how they went to buy this or that at the store the last night and could only find ones that were made in China.

Don?t even get me started on the unions. Last time we had a big on-site pow-wow, set up and paid for by the head of the factory to drum up ideas for how to reduce assembly costs and improve quality, a fellow engineer had a grievance filed against him because he proposed a couple of productivity improvements that would enable them to reduce the number of workers needed on the line.

It?s not just the factories fault either. Most of America?s manufacturing companies are run by people that have never actually set foot on an assembly line. They like to read books about Japanese work philosophies (like A3s, Kaizens, Lean Manufacturing and the like) but then they try and ram-rod those Japanese notions into an American mindset, with poor results.

Really briefly, A3s at Toyota are meant to be a one page document, printed on a sheet of A3 sized paper, that only gives the high level review of a problem and/or solution. Keeping it to A3 size and having it printed on paper means that only the most basic information is conveyed and you have to *physically* get up and walk to the person that owns it to read it. Thereby facilitating conversation with that person that may be able to help you with your problem. The company I work for has grabbed this notion and decided to make the whole system electronic. So people can search it from any company computer and don?t even have to bother with knowing who or which project was responsible for the previous issue?

?Kaizen? in Japanese means ?continuous improvement.? The idea that everyday, every shift, every hour employees work on trying to make their jobs better and more effective with as much attention paid to that as to the actual job they are expected to do. Day in, day out; month in, month out; etc they try and find ways to make their work more productive as a matter of doing their jobs. In America, companies have taken hold of this ?Kaizen? philosophy with both hands, only they hold events over the span of a few days or maybe up to a week, where we try and solve a specific problem. Usually by having employees stop what they are doing, move offsite, and work on just that problem it until the session is over (problem solved or not.) Often not thinking about it again after returning to their real responsibilities?

Lean manufacturing in Japan has to do with trying to evaluate the entire process of assembly to eliminate large sums of waste from the factory by looking at the big picture and outright eliminating the large cost wastes within a factory that do very little to make a good product. By eliminating the ?sacred cows? savings on the order of hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars per factory per year can be obtained. In America the craze amongst large manufacturing companies is to force their office workers to try and do this. Coming up with new ways to use fewer staples and the like?


America deserves to lose its manufacturing. And I say that as a proud citizen that would like to see us be competitive as much as I?d like to not have to fly half-way around the world to get my projects into production.

Ah..., anyway off the soapbox... when is this phone releasing again?

-Suntan

 

[Castor Troy]

CK is so cool he has Oxn going naustrodomus on him........ Effen hilarious
Woof, hahahahahaha

He called Miss CLEO for that one........

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