Bionic's still coming, is defintely new hardware - XT875

Notice what I bolded above. Improvement is NOT innovation! Who brought the first BIG-assed screen that everyone kinda freaked over because it was probably too big to market? Moto with the Droid X and it sold phenomenally well. Who tried out countless form factors like the Cliq, the Flip, the Back Flip, and the Xpert or Pro and various price ranges designed to appeal to different audiences? Who creates Androids for the push-to-talk crowd like construction workers? Moto. They did not slog through last year and certainly not this, but while they've hit a bump in the road this year they ARE NOT FAILING TO INNOVATE! In addition to the above they do what others do as well and improve popular devices and form factors. What the hell is wrong with that?

Now whose phones all look almost exactly the same...HTC and Samsung. Improved hardware, yes, and but never first to launch with it. (Yeah, I'm ignoring 3D for the time being, seems gimmicky, but it is an attempt) Oh, yes Samsung's got the Super AMOLED. I'll give them that flash they denied their competitors. That was their innvoation. Chalk 1 up each for Samsung and HTC. That's it.

Mutha F-ing R-O-O-O-A-A-A-A-A-R-R-R!!!!, not no weasely bs Rawr. phblst :mad::pO:-)O:-)

too much pwnage to contain
 
Oh no, innovation is evolution and without them progression ceases to exist. Back on point, yes motorola stuck its neck out on webtop, and that was very innovative if the world didn't have cloud computing and tablets. If they bank on that, then 30 becomes 40 and soon they die. Motorola better fire off a vanilla nexus without blur and webtop, or HTC and Samsung will continue to dominate with innovative products and hardware like 3D and SAMOLED super screens that people want versus weptop....who cares if CK understands, lol.
 
evolve/innovate/bringing in something new, it's all semantics.

Atrix/Photon/Bionic: essentially the same device. All running WebTop, all with the same type screen

D3, DX2: renovated and/or slighly evolved product.

HTC EVO to EVO 3D: enough said

Infuse: Entirely NEW phone with biggest and arguably hottest screen to date

Samsung Galaxy S to Galaxy SII: Not even slightly evolved. Huge evolution. GSIII? wont even go there

LG B, G2X, LG Optimus 3D: enough said
 
evolve/innovate/bringing in something new, it's all semantics.

Atrix/Photon/Bionic: essentially the same device. All running WebTop, all with the same type screen

D3, DX2: renovated and/or slighly evolved product.

HTC EVO to EVO 3D: enough said

Infuse: Entirely NEW phone with biggest and arguably hottest screen to date

Samsung Galaxy S to Galaxy SII: Not even slightly evolved. Huge evolution. GSIII? wont even go there

LG B, G2X, LG Optimus 3D: enough said

Aight that was just so flawed i had to make one last comment before sleeping.

1st you allowed the comparison of EVO4G to EVO 3D, and the SGI to SGII, which were both around a year seperated in release. But somehow you link the Atrix photon, and Bionic together and say its not much difference, when they are a few months apart.

Now if you said DX to Bionic, then guess what you have just as big of a jump just like Evo 4G to Evo 3D.

Seriously man.

ANd no its not all semantics.
 
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evolve/innovate/bringing in something new, it's all semantics.

Atrix/Photon/Bionic: essentially the same device. All running WebTop, all with the same type screen

D3, DX2: renovated and/or slighly evolved product.

HTC EVO to EVO 3D: enough said

Infuse: Entirely NEW phone with biggest and arguably hottest screen to date

Samsung Galaxy S to Galaxy SII: Not even slightly evolved. Huge evolution. GSIII? wont even go there

LG B, G2X, LG Optimus 3D: enough said

RAZR to Bionic. enough said :p
 
Notice what I bolded above. Improvement is NOT innovation! Who brought the first BIG-assed screen that everyone kinda freaked over because it was probably too big to market? Moto with the Droid X and it sold phenomenally well. Who tried out countless form factors like the Cliq, the Flip, the Back Flip, and the Xpert or Pro and various price ranges designed to appeal to different audiences? Who creates Androids for the push-to-talk crowd like construction workers? Moto. They did not slog through last year and certainly not this, but while they've hit a bump in the road this year they ARE NOT FAILING TO INNOVATE! In addition to the above they do what others do as well and improve popular devices and form factors. What the hell is wrong with that?

Now whose phones all look almost exactly the same...HTC and Samsung. Improved hardware, yes, and but never first to launch with it. (Yeah, I'm ignoring 3D for the time being, seems gimmicky, but it is an attempt) Oh, yes Samsung's got the Super AMOLED. I'll give them that flash they denied their competitors. That was their innvoation. Chalk 1 up each for Samsung and HTC. That's it.

Mutha F-ing R-O-O-O-A-A-A-A-A-R-R-R!!!!, not no weasely bs Rawr. phblst :mad::pO:-)O:-)
They are dragging their feet in the top tier Android smartphone market. Plain and simple. I'm not talking about flips, cliqs and back flips. This is Android Central man!!! lol

Perhaps I missed the mad rush of DX owners throwing their handsets on Craigslist so they could get their hands on the DX2, maybe the mad rush for the D3 will prove me wrong and maybe just maybe the Atrix I mean Bionic will be a bestseller....................


VRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR thats my Elephant stampede roar
 
This thread is hilarious, i better check in tomorrow for more good laughs, ha ha go atrix!
 
Aight what i'm about to say is so flawed but I will hang myself anyway so that I may make one last comment before sleeping.

1st you allowed the comparison of EVO4G to EVO 3D, and the SGI to SGII, which were both around a year seperated in release. But somehow you link the Atrix photon, and Bionic together and say its not much difference, when they are a few months apart.

Now if you said DX to Bionic, then guess what you have just as big of a jump just like Evo 4G to Evo 3D.

Seriously man.

ANd no its not all semantics.
fixed it for you...............
 
Moto's webtop, imo, was the first significant smartphone innovation since the iphone itself.

Maybe not a very popular innovation, but pretty much the first smartphone to bring something to the table other than iphone clone/variant.
 
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I'm not taking sides here, but I'm pretty disappointed with Moto as of late. They've made some good moves with Android devices in the past few years, but they seem to have lost their way. Call it innovation, evolution, revolution, whatever, but the fact is the other manufacturers have had a strong summer portfolio, while Motorola has had NOTHING.

They had the Xoom, which was tainted by the fact that several of its features didn't work, partially the fault of Google for saying Honeycomb was ready when it wasn't, and also Moto themselves for pushing them to bring it to market. The Atrix is a good phone to be sure, but doesn't really do the Tegra2 justice. LG's phones really fly, and the Atrix doesn't really keep up despite the nearly identical hardware. It was also somewhat tarnished by the fact that it was advertised as 4G, which actually only meant ATT's HSPA+, which isn't close to actual 4g, except the Atrix didn't even support that when it came out. Maybe not Moto's fault, but still hurt sales. Webtop was definitely something new, but not implemented well. The idea has a lot of potential, but its an awkward design with the slot in the back, the feel is cheap, and the OS is too basic to be attractive or that useful compared to the phone itself. The hardware could easily run the full version of Ubuntu, or tie-in with Google's own Chrome OS. So its not nearly what it could be, and its WAY overpriced.

Since then, they haven't brought ANYTHING new to market. Well, there's the Droid X2, but that's a slight update the Droid X to unload all the Tegra2 processors they didn't need after the Etna was cancelled, and the Atrix didn't keep selling as well as they had hoped. And if you've ever played with one, it feels far from optimized. The first one made full advantage of its hardware and felt quite snappy. The new one doesn't impress at all in that respect. I'm not gonna stir up the screen controversy all over again, considering its ultimately subjective. But I personally wasn't too impressed with the pentile display compared to the great S-AMOLED+ in my Charge.

Meanwhile, those hoping for the Bionic continue to wait, while they continue to promise newer and better products "just around the corner". I'm glad they've done well in the past few years, and I know they claim they have some great products coming up that will be improved even further by ICS. But the mobile industry is moving way too fast to go an entire quarter with NO competitive products. You can't have a period of innovation here and there while having nothing the rest of the time.

All the other companies have a strong summer portfolio of devices both already released and well-detailed for upcoming launches. Motorola has empty promises and leaked rumors and blurry pics of something that was supposed to have released this spring. Its killed their sales, made carriers wary of partnering with them, and the whole Nvidia thing has surely made a few hardware partners cautious. Not to mention its damaged their credibility, as CK said, to actually make a stable and competitive device. I hope it is everything that we hoped it would be, but if its essentially a Droid X2 with LTE, Moto may as well give up now.

Its a shame, because I too am a big fan of Moto and have had several of their devices in the past. I respect their history in the telecom industry, but I'm still a consumer and I'll buy what I consider the best device for my needs and wishes. Their heavy, angular slab design does not impress me, nor do their Pentile displays. But those are subjective concerns. Yet recent poor hardware optimization, product development failures and delays, and the complete inability to deliver a competitive product for a significant period of time in such a fast moving industry is a universal concern, and explains their plummeting stocks. I hope they turn it around, but at this point, its gonna take a lot more than making sure the Bionic is a real hit.

It would be a nice start, though. :cool:
 
This statement is genius.

"the complete inability to deliver a competitive product for a significant period of time in such a fast moving industry."


Thats the source of my frustration summed up perfectly. Dang that was good, why didn't I think of that :)
 
This statement is genius.

"the complete inability to deliver a competitive product for a significant period of time in such a fast moving industry."


Thats the source of my frustration summed up perfectly. Dang that was good, why didn't I think of that :)

well first you have to look up the word innovative, then well go from there
 
innovative - being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before

Cruiserdude - I agree with a lot of your points. However, the discussion was not whether Motorola has been floundering with bringing a good portfolio of products to market. I wouldn't say that they are as far behind as everyone seems to think, but they have definitely been overtaken by the competition.

The point that CK and others are making is that the other companies have been innovating while Motorola has not. That is just simply not true. There is not a single innovation in any Android smartphone that has been released this year, other than the "I love to hate it" Webtop.
 

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