Bionic's still coming, is defintely new hardware - XT875

[Droid800]

I should have said VIA Telecom - a subsidiary of VIA Technologies

They don't make LTE radios. And they're not part of the first generation that Verizon approved for their network.

 

[radgatt]

Good night!

 

[Castor Troy]

Good night!

Don't let the bed bugs bite......

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[slinky317]

After seeing the reviews on the Sensation, I'm almost tempted to skip the Bionic and wait for the first dual-core HTC to come to Verizon. 48 hours of battery life? Yum...

 

[Zachb#AC]

Suspect that we won't see 48 hours of LTE battery life this year.

 

[Preach2k]

After seeing the reviews on the Sensation, I'm almost tempted to skip the Bionic and wait for the first dual-core HTC to come to Verizon. 48 hours of battery life? Yum...

Whats wrong with this picture HTC and 48Hrs of Battery Life!!!! HTC is known for the worst Battery life!!! I believe when I see it!!!

 

[SharonW]

The Qualcomm chip wasn't the issue. That's never even been part of the rumors with the canceling of the original hardware. It all centered around Tegra 2's issues with LTE handoffs.

Qualcomm is also not just CDMA; they're in EVERY HTC GSM product in Europe. They sell more GSM products than they do CDMA.

I think you misunderstood me or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you now. I wasn't saying the Qualcomm chip was the issue, but rather the lack of a Qualcomm chip IF in fact they are using VIA chips, which you seem to think not. When I said Qualcomm is CDMA, it was an attempt to say that Qualcomm was essentially THE company and THE chip behind CDMA, NOT an exclusion of all the other frequency types it does and does well. If any company would understand or be able to root out problems operating in an environment where you have interaction and hand-offs between both a new processor and a new frequency (LTE) while also working with CDMA, etc., Qualcomm would be that company.

Since we know that other manufacturers are using Nvidia chips successfully with LTE it clearly is NOT the Nvidia chip that's the problem, thus my speculation that it was the use of a different radio chip other than the established leader Qualcomm. If, in fact, the rumors about Nvidia chips not successfully handing off within an LTE environment were true, how does one explain the fact that other manufacturers using Nvidia chips are working fine with LTE?

Now, seeing you're so incredibly knowledgeable about these matters, perhaps you could enlighten me as to possibly what Sanjay meant when he said the issue was "network interaction issues with our protocol stack" and would that be something applicable to a processor chip or a radio chip or potentially both?

 

[bworley50]

I believe Motorola does not use Qualcomm chips because Sanjay used to work there.

 

[Droid800]

I think you misunderstood me or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you now. I wasn't saying the Qualcomm chip was the issue, but rather the lack of a Qualcomm chip IF in fact they are using VIA chips, which you seem to think not. When I said Qualcomm is CDMA, it was an attempt to say that Qualcomm was essentially THE company and THE chip behind CDMA, NOT an exclusion of all the other frequency types it does and does well. If any company would understand or be able to root out problems operating in an environment where you have interaction and hand-offs between both a new processor and a new frequency (LTE) while also working with CDMA, etc., Qualcomm would be that company.

Since we know that other manufacturers are using Nvidia chips successfully with LTE it clearly is NOT the Nvidia chip that's the problem, thus my speculation that it was the use of a different radio chip other than the established leader Qualcomm. If, in fact, the rumors about Nvidia chips not successfully handing off within an LTE environment were true, how does one explain the fact that other manufacturers using Nvidia chips are working fine with LTE?

Now, seeing you're so incredibly knowledgeable about these matters, perhaps you could enlighten me as to possibly what Sanjay meant when he said the issue was "network interaction issues with our protocol stack" and would that be something applicable to a processor chip or a radio chip or potentially both?

No other tegra 2 handset on the market has lte. They're all 3g or hspa+. We also know for a fact that tegra was having major issues with the lte network, hence no tegra in the new bionic.

As for Sanjay, it would be both since the lte phones have separate processors and radio stacks.
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[Chris]

No other tegra 2 handset on the market has lte. They're all 3g or hspa+. We also know for a fact that tegra was having major issues with the lte network, hence no tegra in the new bionic.

As for Sanjay, it would be both since the lte phones have separate processors and radio stacks.
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Galaxy Tab 10.1.

It has a Tegra 2 and VZW LTE. Its not the network, Its not the processor. Its whatever modem Motorola was using.

 

[radgatt]

Galaxy Tab 10.1.

It has a Tegra 2 and VZW LTE. Its not the network, Its not the processor. Its whatever modem Motorola was using.

Galaxy Tab 10.1 is not a phone. Maybe its the calling part that is having the issue.

 

[Droid800]

Galaxy Tab 10.1.

It has a Tegra 2 and VZW LTE. Its not the network, Its not the processor. Its whatever modem Motorola was using.

Is that for sale yet? Nope.

I'll say again. It was Tegra. It could NOT handle the LTE handoffs, and the voice transmission also likely played a factor. (the tablets only have a straight data modem, not a combo including the EVDO and 1X for 3G and voice coverage)

 

[Chris]

Less than two weeks.

The Processor doesn't handle hand offs, That would be the modem, The problem was the particular LTE modem Motorola was using was not cooperating with the Tegra2 causing it to overheat.

So to fix the issue, Motorola is using a new radio for the XOOM, and using a new processor for the DROID Bionic.

It does include a EVDO/1xRTT radio (Has to), Just because it can't make calls doesn't mean it doesn't have the radio.

 

[anon(49997)]

This is starting to get grueling.
Kind of like the marathon new car giveaways they used to have at some dealerships in the 70's where they had a drawing to select 10 lucky people to touch a car and the last one to be holding on to it in the end won the car. No going to the bathroom, no eating, no pushing another contestant off. You could lay on it or just have your pinky on it, but had to be the last one in the end to get ownership.

This thread is even getting tired because it stopped my subscription to it even though it was selected to do so.

I'm doing my all time favorite comedian's yell (Sam Kinison) over here, OOOOOOhh, Oh, Oh, OOOOOOOh!

 

[Stang68]

Is that for sale yet? Nope.

I'll say again. It was Tegra. It could NOT handle the LTE handoffs, and the voice transmission also likely played a factor. (the tablets only have a straight data modem, not a combo including the EVDO and 1X for 3G and voice coverage)

It'll be for sale this month. I talked to Tegra about the 4G Tab 10.1 at the AC reader meetup and they (obviously) said everything is working great on the Tab with LTE and Tegra 2. It must have been a Motorola specific issue.

 

[radgatt]

It'll be for sale this month. I talked to Tegra about the 4G Tab 10.1 at the AC reader meetup and they (obviously) said everything is working great on the Tab with LTE and Tegra 2. It must have been a Motorola specific issue.

I'll believe it when I see it...

 

[Bearly]

It'll be for sale this month. I talked to Tegra about the 4G Tab 10.1 at the AC reader meetup and they (obviously) said everything is working great on the Tab with LTE and Tegra 2. It must have been a Motorola specific issue.

The Bionic will be for sale this month (June)?

Not a chance. Not with how much Verizon tends to delay launches.

Why can't they unlock this damn thing? :-(

Edit: I think you meant the Tab 10.1

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[SharonW]

No other tegra 2 handset on the market has lte. They're all 3g or hspa+. We also know for a fact that tegra was having major issues with the lte network, hence no tegra in the new bionic.

As for Sanjay, it would be both since the lte phones have separate processors and radio stacks.
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The Thunderbolt and Charge don't have Nvidia chips?

Oh, and thanks for the info regarding the protocol stack.

 

[SharonW]

Less than two weeks.

The Processor doesn't handle hand offs, That would be the modem, The problem was the particular LTE modem Motorola was using was not cooperating with the Tegra2 causing it to overheat.

So to fix the issue, Motorola is using a new radio for the XOOM, and using a new processor for the DROID Bionic.

It does include a EVDO/1xRTT radio (Has to), Just because it can't make calls doesn't mean it doesn't have the radio.

Is the modem part of the LTE chip? I'm trying to understand the various terminology, i.e. radio, modem, chip with respect to LTE/CDMA, etc. I know what a modem is for a computer, but mobile tech seems to be a whole different beast. Sounds like they're interchangeable terms.

And if so, was my speculation was essentially correct?

 

[Castor Troy]

From what I understand the technology is VERY complex and nobody has been able to explain it correctly to date. Saying there was a hand-off issue was oversimplifying it.

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