CPSC Formal Recall Announced - Exchange / Return Your Phones

[dvarapala]

Re: Galaxy Note 7 exploded: Here is why it happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmnK7X6UyYk

I noticed that the battery in that video caught fire even though it was completely disconnected from the phone (i.e. it was not being charged, nor was any current being drawn from it). It seems that, if the barrier between anode and cathode ruptures, you're not safe even if your phone is powered off.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Well, again, I believe you are stating an opinion, especially where you say, "Once the failure happens that's it. It can't be stopped." and that, "You just experienced, well, something else."... Further, I am reading the website exactly as it's written.

But I do agree you're at least partially correct... General overheating is a result of the plates in the battery being under too much pressure to begin with, which is what the manufacturing defect has been reported to be. It seems reasonable therefore, to conclude that continued overheating will very likely result in one of the short-circuit failure scenarios that causes meltdown/fire/exploding kittens!

I absolutely believe that Heat is definitely not your friend, here... So for you to say that no amount of cooling can prevent an explosion is, IMO, not entirely accurate. (BTW, I'm not a battery expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I recently stayed at a Holiday Inn... and I do have a degree in Electronics Engineering Technology, so I'm not a complete dummy, either. Well, at least most of the time LOL, because my phone is still on!)

There are other possibilities, (some where heat is a contributing factor, some not) and from what I've read, (you can Google to your heart's content here) they all stem from the battery plates being under too much pressure from this manufacturing defect - there will likely be more when this is all over, but some possible scenarios for failure from this defect include:

1.) When lithium ion batteries are continually trickle charged, the lithium ions can start to cover the surface of the negative contact in a coating of lithium metal through a process called "plating." And in extreme conditions, that lithium metal can form tiny spikes (called "dendrites") that can poke right through the separator, creating -- you guessed it -- a short circuit. (this one would not be heat-related)
https://www.cnet.com/news/why-is-samsung-galaxy-note-7-exploding-overheating/

2.) ...perhaps Samsung simply pressed so hard that the positive and negative terminals poked right through the separator and managed to touch... (not heat-related, either)
https://www.cnet.com/news/why-is-samsung-galaxy-note-7-exploding-overheating/

3.) ...Or perhaps it's the sponge-like separator itself that got squished. Normally, says Sadoway, the separator allows the liquid electrolyte to pass through pores connecting the negative and positive sides of the battery, even as it keeps the two terminals separate. "If they press really hard, they constrict the pores, the resistance goes up and you generate more heat," says the professor. (heat-related)
https://www.cnet.com/news/why-is-samsung-galaxy-note-7-exploding-overheating/

4.) What if only part of the battery was squished improperly, so that the phone couldn't tell when it was 100 percent charged, and kept on charging the cell? (heat-related due to overcharging)
https://www.cnet.com/news/why-is-samsung-galaxy-note-7-exploding-overheating/
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So, I'm going to say that it is highly likely that I did stop, by cooling, a potential "failure in progress" through nothing more than just plain dumb luck (or, as I prefer to believe, the intervention of YHVH!). Yes, cooling did not fix the manufacturing defect that is still there, (the battery plates under too much pressure) but it hasn't short-circuited and failed yet, just like the other 99.99% of the 1 million GN7 users in the USA. So, in all likelihood, I will make it until next week until my new GN7 arrives.

I would still take these odds in Vegas any time! Thanks for your time. I hope that some of the detail is helpful, and I look forward to the day (like many of you, I would imagine) where this will be a long-forgotten topic...

You posted a bunch of speculation to be honest. Educated speculation, but still speculation.

Some of those things only happen over long periods of time.

I think what's happening is people are blaming anything heat related on this battery explosion problem, but in reality they're different things.

Without the explosions there would be no recall. Without the recall the heat issues would just be warranty swaps or repairs. You know, "normal" battery issues.

 

[coolbreeze78]

You might currious why the Note7 so easy to exploded and why Lithium Battery is easy ignite fire. you should watch this video to understand why:

Dude your link is a ripoff (and a poor one at that) of this link. You trying to get hits off of the original video or something? If so, at least fix your audio. It's unlistenable. And good luck with YouTube fortunes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd2WIxKRDk

 

[Strong_Genetics]

Re: Galaxy Note 7 exploded: Here is why it happen

I noticed that the battery in that video caught fire even though it was completely disconnected from the phone (i.e. it was not being charged, nor was any current being drawn from it). It seems that, if the barrier between anode and cathode ruptures, you're not safe even if your phone is powered off.

Maybe that's why FedEx is refusing to transport the recalled phones

 

[rushmore]

I noticed that the battery in that video caught fire even though it was completely disconnected from the phone (i.e. it was not being charged, nor was any current being drawn from it). It seems that, if the barrier between anode and cathode ruptures, you're not safe even if your phone is powered off.

Appears same burn location on all, so far. This suggests same over-pressed point when bonding the cell layers. How they could miss this and why no lot control with unique serial numbers for each battery/ device seems nuts.

 

[coolbreeze78]

Re: Galaxy Note 7 exploded: Here is why it happen

Maybe that's why FedEx is refusing to transport the recalled phones

Yep, this is it. Everyone is all "disable fast charging!, limit to 60%! etc!"

None of this works. Will it make you feel smart and safe? Sure, I guess. Fact is, once that barrier is breached, boomsies. You have a problem.

I'm guessing if you want to become a local evening news celebrity, just press firmly on the phone from front/back (squeeze with fingers) right where the battery is located.

Make the news and possibly an ER trip? Cool, probably.

(don't do this...)

 

[calicocat2010]

This is WONDERFUL news!!!

I just hope that since I pre-ordered the device BEFORE the recall and never actually got to use it, that I can just pick up my replacement and not have to do the pre-order all over again.

 

[jlczl]

How many Note 7 phones have actually exploded like in Kaboom? Most of them have just overheated and a few have caused fires but actually exploding? A bit of sensationalism has been going on here.

 

[Aquila]

The batteries explode, not the device itself.

 

[DasWindows]

So...New note 7's

Git an email and missed a while day of forum posts, so not going back, but it seems like we will get new ones on the 21st.

So we came stop asking now?

 

[mhinc]

Re: So...New note 7's

Git an email and missed a while day of forum posts, so not going back, but it seems like we will get new ones on the 21st.

So we came stop asking now?

Were you drunk when you wrote that post?

 

[alwilliam]

So my question is...how will the airlines, subways, etc... know you have a new phone?

As far as I know there's no official ban on the Note 7. It's impossible. Are they going to inspect every person, every bags, luggage if you have a Note 7? Are they going to have personnel in every subway turnstile to do the search?
Most likely the replacement phones will have a marking of some kind. I think it was posted in this forum a few days ago, forgot which thread it was under.

I posted in another thread, that we were just in NY this past weekend for the September 11 memorial ceremonies. I took NJ Transit, the Path trains, the NY Subway system and my phone was in plain view. I was charging it with a Jackberry portable battery, watching videos, used the phone itself to pay for tickets and show it to the conductors with the NJT app. On the way back, another passenger was charging his Note 7 right on a train outlet by the door in plain view of the conductors. Not a word was said about the phone, excepts for us making jokes about it.

I'm pretty sure by next month, consumer affairs will force carriers to put a stop on all Notes 7s that have not been returned.

 

[calicocat2010]

As far as I know there's no official ban on the Note 7. It's impossible. Are they going to inspect every person, every bags, luggage if you have a Note 7? Are they going to have personnel in every subway turnstile to do the search?
Most likely the replacement phones will have a marking of some kind. I think it was posted in this forum a few days ago, forgot which thread it was under.

I posted in another thread, that we were just in NY this past weekend for the September 11 memorial ceremonies. I took NJ Transit, the Path trains, the NY Subway system and my phone was in plain view. I was charging it with a Jackberry portable battery, watching videos, used the phone itself to pay for tickets and show it to the conductors with the NJT app. On the way back, another passenger was charging his Note 7 right on a train outlet by the door in plain view of the conductors. Not a word was said about the phone, excepts for us making jokes about it.

I'm pretty sure by next month, consumer affairs will force carriers to put a stop on all Notes 7s that have not been returned.

TSA should just add a third? line for ONLY passengers with a NOTE 7. That way it doesn't interfere with the rest of the protocols for all the other lines.

 

[maf113]

Well, it appears the majority of people decided to risk it, since most people decided to keep and use their Note 7s based on usage trends published today (minimal change from pre ban) and local Verizon, plus two Best Buys stated the same. Not buying the 100 fires (if referring to fires) The only ones public have been the same events regurgitated over and over with no validation. The others in the news were discredited.

1 in 40 is inherently false based on the hundreds of thousands still using theirs. There should be thousands of Jeeps and garages up in flames. Probably a few zeppelins too.

Samsung is playing it safe. About two billion worth of safe. I'm not minimizing the issue, but pointing out most kept their Notes.

Not so sure that a majority of those that kept their N7 kept using it. I for one broke out my backup phone and put the N7 away. I was waiting for new devices to come in or Sept 30 which ever came first.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

As far as I know there's no official ban on the Note 7. It's impossible. Are they going to inspect every person, every bags, luggage if you have a Note 7? Are they going to have personnel in every subway turnstile to do the search?
Most likely the replacement phones will have a marking of some kind. I think it was posted in this forum a few days ago, forgot which thread it was under.

I posted in another thread, that we were just in NY this past weekend for the September 11 memorial ceremonies. I took NJ Transit, the Path trains, the NY Subway system and my phone was in plain view. I was charging it with a Jackberry portable battery, watching videos, used the phone itself to pay for tickets and show it to the conductors with the NJT app. On the way back, another passenger was charging his Note 7 right on a train outlet by the door in plain view of the conductors. Not a word was said about the phone, excepts for us making jokes about it.

I'm pretty sure by next month, consumer affairs will force carriers to put a stop on all Notes 7s that have not been returned.

Samsung Galaxy Note 7 recall: Everything you need to know http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-7-recall

The FAA has officially advised against using or charging the Note 7 while on flights, and now that the CPSC has officially recalled the phone it's actually illegal to do so.

 

[rushmore]

Not so sure that a majority of those that kept their N7 kept using it. I for one broke out my backup phone and put the N7 away. I was waiting for new devices to come in or Sept 30 which ever came first.

There was an article today that monitors device traffic and showed a minimal delta from pre ban time frame. I thought it would be about 50/50, but apathy and convenience appears the victors

 

[rushmore]

Samsung Galaxy Note 7 recall: Everything you need to know http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-7-recall

The FAA has officially advised against using or charging the Note 7 while on flights, and now that the CPSC has officially recalled the phone it's actually illegal to do so.

That would be the tainted ones and not the replacements.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

That would be the tainted ones and not the replacements.

Not until they say that.

I would expect the respective agencies to give an "all clear" announcement when they're allowed again.

 

[alwilliam]

Samsung Galaxy Note 7 recall: Everything you need to know Samsung Galaxy Note 7 recall: Everything you need to know | Android Central

The FAA has officially advised against using or charging the Note 7 while on flights, and now that the CPSC has officially recalled the phone it's actually illegal to do so.

As of last weekend there was no official announcement. Now that they do I'm all for it. I don't have any travel plans in the next 3 weeks or so, by then then I would be able to get a replacement. They don't want you to USE it or CHARGE it while on flight. But nothing says you cannot carry it in your possession. I'm not talking about myself, bu there are a lot of people out there that are not up to speed with all these information. If somebody will be using it in a flight, they might just tell him/her to to power it off. If he/she don't follow then that's another story.
Planes, yes they could monitor passengers, but what about subways, Path trains? You pay at the gate and there's no personnel on board.

Like what I mentioned previously, by next month, carriers will probably send signals to all Notes 7s that are not returned and that will put an end to everything, The gov. agency can lift the restriction then.That way, there will be no confusion if people start using their new Note 7s on airplanes or such.

 

[KupKrazy]

TSA should just add a third? line for ONLY passengers with a NOTE 7. That way it doesn't interfere with the rest of the protocols for all the other lines.

NO way. If I can no longer use the TSA Precheck line there are going to be problems!!

I personally think people are making themselves way too worked up on flying. It would be impossible for them to check all carry on and all checked luggage for a phone. Now that the recall is official, I find it even less of a chance that they would ever consider it. This whole thing happened while I am on a business trip and I fly back home this weekend. I won't be using my Note 7 nor charging it, but I certainly don't expect them to even notice it when I go through security or even ask to check it. They'll make the announcements, but I think that's really all they can do.

(and if i miss my flight because of this, i'll come back here to *****. hahahaha)