Wow, what's with the doom and gloom? The simple answer is that the Snapdragon in these devices is about to become a last-generation chip. When the Snapdragon was under development there really was no need or market for 3D games on Android. That's now changing. Mobile chipsets have about a 6 month shelf-life before they get surpassed by the next latest and greatest. The next iteration from Qualcomm will no doubt have a better GPU.
Do you think HTC will actually fix the 30 fps issue?
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Wow, what's with the doom and gloom? The simple answer is that the Snapdragon in these devices is about to become a last-generation chip. When the Snapdragon was under development there really was no need or market for 3D games on Android. That's now changing. Mobile chipsets have about a 6 month shelf-life before they get surpassed by the next latest and greatest. The next iteration from Qualcomm will no doubt have a better GPU.
its funny you say that snapdragon is not capable, when it hitting freaking 60 fps on the fps2D app with ease. the UI is not the same as a benchmark test. benchmark's sole purpose is to max out the device. the UI is not even close to as intensive, and the snapdragon easily hits 60 fps running the android UI. and that's exactly what we see on other devices. you're using flawed logic comparing the benchmark app.
If you refer to android developer site:
Window Backgrounds & UI Speed | Android Developers
They show some real world frame rates for the UI, this one is hitting 51 fps but on the g1 which they refer as a first gen device. Second gen device, they use example nexus one, hits significantly higher than that:
Android Developers Blog: Game Development for Android: A Quick Primer
I wish I had a working developer environment on my laptop to get some more numbers. Also of note they mention the 60 fps cap. Second gen devices, nexus's snapdragon, push much higher than the g1, with exact details in the link if anyone's interested.
Window Backgrounds & UI Speed | Android Developers
They show some real world frame rates for the UI, this one is hitting 51 fps but on the g1 which they refer as a first gen device. Second gen device, they use example nexus one, hits significantly higher than that:
Android Developers Blog: Game Development for Android: A Quick Primer
I wish I had a working developer environment on my laptop to get some more numbers. Also of note they mention the 60 fps cap. Second gen devices, nexus's snapdragon, push much higher than the g1, with exact details in the link if anyone's interested.
I'll give you three.
Gears, fps2d, raging thunder 2.
Just so you know, yes, I can keep going, this is hardly an exhaustive list.
Neocore is hardly the end all of performance evals. If anything it exposes a weakness of the adreno in its lackluster fillrate (which becomes its bottleneck).
That said, to claim that it can't hit higher than 30 in anything, when in fact it is easily shown that it does, in a very visible capacity, is an exercise in denial.
Latching onto benchmarks designed to bring hardware to its knees as evidence is stupid. Would you apply this same logic to the pc? Does that therefore mean that any pc that can't run crysis at 30fps is incapable of running anything at 30? Of course not, such a conclusion would be stupid.
why is everyone associating the 30 fps cap with gaming performance? Even if the cap is gone the 3d gaming will still suck. How does the cap matter if games never hit 30 in the first place? The lack of a good gpu in snapdragon is the culprit, look at the nexus and incredible which are unncapped and still struggle. Ui performance is another story though
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I don't own an Evo but am hoping to get one soon. The cap does bother me in the way that it lags your touch input making the UI and screen less responsive. I don't see how after watching both of these videos that it can possibly be a placebo effect. The first video which is not the best quality but gets the job done shows before and after unlocking the FPS issue. The second video shows how it affects your touch input lag by using a multi touch visualizer app. I'm not sure what proof some of the people in this thread are wanting but this is proof enough for me to urge HTC to remove the cap.
YouTube - HTC Evo Framerate + Touch Sensor Comparison - Capped at 30fps vs Uncapped
YouTube - EVO Multi-touch comparison
YouTube - HTC Evo Framerate + Touch Sensor Comparison - Capped at 30fps vs Uncapped
YouTube - EVO Multi-touch comparison
The 30 fps cap actually causes framerate issues. The adreno Gpu isn't THAT bad. I just want performance as seen on the nexus one and incredible.
exactly. we are talking about the UI is suffering because of this much more than high end games. the phone can easily drive the UI up around 50 fps but it looks choppy on the evo in comparison
the second video shows the choppy lack of smoothness. when he's in the settings app and the next screen sweeps sideways, or swiping between homescreens, its all choppy compared to without the cap.
They will fix it, if you search this forum for htc evo fix, or my posts you will i got email from them saying they are working on it and will fix it.
And the person who told you this was some level 1 support person from HTC? And this is despite the fact that everyone else who has talked to or emailed HTC has received the opposite answer, including that Android blog who had it on authority from a higher-up in HTC that a fix would not be coming? Ha!
Believe me, I'd love it if they did and I'll try to hold out hope, but I'd personally give it about a 1% chance. (if that)
To me, it seems like it would be easy enough for HTC to figure out the code to uncap it for regular use and cap it for HDMI out.. Why would they NOT want to do something that would make the phone better? I think they will eventually come out with a fix.. but my guess is, it will be wrapped up into the froyo release, because lets face it.. we all want that more than the fps cap thing 
do you get to use the executive bathroom by chance? i heard its a helicopter ride away!
I just recently applied one of the patched kernels to uncap fps, and the difference is HUGE, and I really mean it, if you can't notice it, you are blind, if it doesn't bother you, then good for you.
I tried going back to the use the capped stock kernel, and I really couldn't stand it after getting used to the smooth UI.
Only drawback is battery life is now less by an average of 3-4 hours on full charge, so I understand why HTC did the cap, it is more of a battery issue.
Oh...for OP, I don't think HTC will fix it, if you want uncapped fps, root the phone and apply the patched kernel.
I tried going back to the use the capped stock kernel, and I really couldn't stand it after getting used to the smooth UI.
Only drawback is battery life is now less by an average of 3-4 hours on full charge, so I understand why HTC did the cap, it is more of a battery issue.
Oh...for OP, I don't think HTC will fix it, if you want uncapped fps, root the phone and apply the patched kernel.
Yeah, I just flashed Baked Snack ROM... it has a built in kernel.
The difference is NIGHT AND DAY.
They need to fix it.
The e-mails I sent got responses back like "we're looking into it" and blah blah.
The difference is NIGHT AND DAY.
They need to fix it.
The e-mails I sent got responses back like "we're looking into it" and blah blah.
thank you guys for now understanding why i think it is such a huge problem, the difference really is like night and day!! for those who say otherwise have not compared.
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