Because froyo is programmed well for a qualcomm processor, you will see solid performance from the processor on the shift. However, thee processor on the epic is still superior, using a full on A8 coding sequence, which the qualcomm does not do. Apparently, qualcomm programmed the snapdragon chips to perform better than cortex A8, but from real world performance, it is not really the case. As far as simple processing goes, things like navigating through menus and pages, you will not notice a drastic difference, but in loading photos, videos, games, and everything else that is more resource intensive, you will notice a significant difference between a qualcomm processor and ANY other processor in the market, especially A4 and Hummingbird. If you go for the epic, you will be ready for whatever resource intensive software gets released this year. Evo is already behind as qualcomm's chipset cannot even handle Dungeon Defenders, the first unreal engine game on android. There will be more to come, and I think we both agree that we would rather have the power to run such systems than not. A good, powerful processor with a good gpu is like a gun or a condom: better have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Epic or Evo Shift(Knight, Swift, whatever it might be)
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Because froyo is programmed well for a qualcomm processor, you will see solid performance from the processor on the shift. However, thee processor on the epic is still superior, using a full on A8 coding sequence, which the qualcomm does not do. Apparently, qualcomm programmed the snapdragon chips to perform better than cortex A8, but from real world performance, it is not really the case. As far as simple processing goes, things like navigating through menus and pages, you will not notice a drastic difference, but in loading photos, videos, games, and everything else that is more resource intensive, you will notice a significant difference between a qualcomm processor and ANY other processor in the market, especially A4 and Hummingbird. If you go for the epic, you will be ready for whatever resource intensive software gets released this year. Evo is already behind as qualcomm's chipset cannot even handle Dungeon Defenders, the first unreal engine game on android. There will be more to come, and I think we both agree that we would rather have the power to run such systems than not. A good, powerful processor with a good gpu is like a gun or a condom: better have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
well of COURSE T-mobile would say it's faster. Everybody says their stuff is better and/or faster than the competitor. You can't believe every ad specs.
Sounds like either way, both the Epic and Shift would run circles around my Pre. (Which is overclocked to 1 gHz and still lags & drags....)
man... im so conflicted.. epic or shift.. ughhhhhhhhhh 
any1 know if the epic has a holster clip by any chance?
any1 know if the epic has a holster clip by any chance?
Yes you can get a holster clip, I think Siedio is the one that makes it. Go to their web site or search for it at Amazon.
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Sorry this post is somewhat long but bear with me as I seek info/advice from veteran users and I've never owned an android device. Please let me know if this would be better suited as a new thread.
I'm considering getting either evo shift or epic and probably using android and a future webOS device. I currently own a launch day sprint palm pre overclocked with a custom kernel. Anyways the only reason for me to upgrade from it is the fact it is reaching end of life from wear and tear. Any one of several things could happen sooner than later and will mean I have to upgrade to something. News is that near the very beginning of February there will be announcements of new webOS devices, but because it is possible that I'll be waiting until I can premier upgrade again (assuming I upgrade now to evo shift or epic) I'm debating on doing so. I realize from using a BB 8330 and the palm pre that I like the bigger screen I had with my palm T5. So I'll either go with one android or webOS device with a big screen. Of course assuming webOS will get one with a big screen and also depending on when.
I don't use a smartphone hardcore. Mainly it is used to make calls, GPS, and productivity type stuff I used to use my palm T5 PDA for. Any entertainment, games or streaming video for example, is only to pass time where otherwise I would be doing nothing but standing or sitting around somewhere away from home. Basically it is a tool that any app that makes my life simpler, better, convenient, and/or more productive is what gets used the most. I'm sure like with webOS I'll find all the apps I need or want, I just wanted to describe my typical use.
With all that said neither evo shift or epic lack any hardware feature that I would want or need that I'm aware of. I'm not aware of a side by side spec comparison and what not to make a judgment. I'm not sure if 30 day trial with each will be sufficient time for me to hands on judge one over the other. My guess is it'd take me longer than 30 days to get down and dirty with the android OS to get a good sense of the HTC/samsung specific portions differences and feel for hardware differences. It is these various software differences more than hardware differences that are more important to me. However hardware performance, quality, and feel may make a difference to me too and could be judged in the 30 days if I was already quite familiar with android OS and HTC and samsung specific portions differences. I'm hoping that through the forums here I can narrow down things to focus on for 30 day trials. Or perhaps get some quality hands on prior to or instead of if I can get enough to avoid the process of changing devices. I'm not aware of any stores in my area that have anything but dummy displays and would need a place I can get hands on with both preferably.
Thank you for any info and/or advice anyone can provide.
I'm considering getting either evo shift or epic and probably using android and a future webOS device. I currently own a launch day sprint palm pre overclocked with a custom kernel. Anyways the only reason for me to upgrade from it is the fact it is reaching end of life from wear and tear. Any one of several things could happen sooner than later and will mean I have to upgrade to something. News is that near the very beginning of February there will be announcements of new webOS devices, but because it is possible that I'll be waiting until I can premier upgrade again (assuming I upgrade now to evo shift or epic) I'm debating on doing so. I realize from using a BB 8330 and the palm pre that I like the bigger screen I had with my palm T5. So I'll either go with one android or webOS device with a big screen. Of course assuming webOS will get one with a big screen and also depending on when.
I don't use a smartphone hardcore. Mainly it is used to make calls, GPS, and productivity type stuff I used to use my palm T5 PDA for. Any entertainment, games or streaming video for example, is only to pass time where otherwise I would be doing nothing but standing or sitting around somewhere away from home. Basically it is a tool that any app that makes my life simpler, better, convenient, and/or more productive is what gets used the most. I'm sure like with webOS I'll find all the apps I need or want, I just wanted to describe my typical use.
With all that said neither evo shift or epic lack any hardware feature that I would want or need that I'm aware of. I'm not aware of a side by side spec comparison and what not to make a judgment. I'm not sure if 30 day trial with each will be sufficient time for me to hands on judge one over the other. My guess is it'd take me longer than 30 days to get down and dirty with the android OS to get a good sense of the HTC/samsung specific portions differences and feel for hardware differences. It is these various software differences more than hardware differences that are more important to me. However hardware performance, quality, and feel may make a difference to me too and could be judged in the 30 days if I was already quite familiar with android OS and HTC and samsung specific portions differences. I'm hoping that through the forums here I can narrow down things to focus on for 30 day trials. Or perhaps get some quality hands on prior to or instead of if I can get enough to avoid the process of changing devices. I'm not aware of any stores in my area that have anything but dummy displays and would need a place I can get hands on with both preferably.
Thank you for any info and/or advice anyone can provide.
MY opinion only-- I have an epic, and I love it! People are giving it a hard time right now because it hasn't been upgraded, and yes that sucks..BUT it is beautiful. I mean, go to the store and look at the screens side by side and compare it to any other phone. Its also superfast and when it finally does get froyo all these ppl calling it sh*tty will feel stupid because it will blow the other phones away even more then. So the thing about the screen is that it really is that good. I have mine set on auto so its not even on full brightness and next to another android it made the other phone look like an 80's device lol or like a toy. It doesn't just have better blacks its just insanely better. When someone asks me can they look at my phone , no matter how much of a phone snob they are ..they are impressed. (now i said phone snob, not phone geek lol (no offense) but I don't know anyone in person that can make a custom rom or anything so not those ppl) I use launcher pro so touchwiz is no big deal but it didnt really bother me anyway..
With that said, we are still waiting on froyo..the htcs are getting more updates...but I think you should really look at them both, feel them and play with them for a few minutes at the store..it might give you a better idea. I saw somewhere on these forums someone saying the returned an epic for an evo because it felt cheap ..um I really don't think it feels cheap, you can't look at a screen that nice and call anything cheap for one. Also, sliders just are gonna feel different than a non slider.
Anyway I'm sure I'm gonna hear all about how I know nothing since this is probably like my 6th post ha, but whatever.
Good luck with your decision!
With that said, we are still waiting on froyo..the htcs are getting more updates...but I think you should really look at them both, feel them and play with them for a few minutes at the store..it might give you a better idea. I saw somewhere on these forums someone saying the returned an epic for an evo because it felt cheap ..um I really don't think it feels cheap, you can't look at a screen that nice and call anything cheap for one. Also, sliders just are gonna feel different than a non slider.
Anyway I'm sure I'm gonna hear all about how I know nothing since this is probably like my 6th post ha, but whatever.
Good luck with your decision!
To the people who had overclocked Pres, that means you're willing to take a bit of a risk in terms of hacking. There are currently some really good 2.2 ROMs out for the epic which run very well.
The specs between the Epic and Evo Shift are so similar that any real world performance differences should be very marginal. I would make a decision between the two based solely on form factor and screen, both of which come down to personal opinion. I personally feel that 4" is a perfect size for a screen and I do love that sAMOLED, but I know others who think that's too big and would rather have a smaller LCD.
My advice? Go to the store, try each one out, see which feels better in your hands. You can't make a wrong call here.
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You're wrong sir...
It doesnt have a front facing camera.
Spec-wise...the Epic is better. People talk about the second gen processor as though that AUTOMATICALLY makes it the better phone. It doesnt. And in my personal experience with the Shift....the speed difference isnt noticable.
Dont get me wrong...its a very snappy device and its much quicker than the EVO. But its on par with my Epic.
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You sound more like a fanboy disputing a test that contradicts what YOU thought, lol. You go from trying to present statements of facts to insulting Epic owners all because you were presented with an article that says the exact OPPOSITE of what you though? Thats funny....
Myself, my wife, and my mother and father in law had Pre phones within a couple of months of the launch. I rooted, overclocked, and patched the living bejesus out of those things (thank god for Jason Robitaille and the PreWare folks). I gave up and left after my 3rd busted Pre and my wife just gave up on hers last month. I still support the in laws though. Just wanted you to know that I've been there.
But you will if you go Android. The difference is mind boggling. If you're a custom kernel/patcher on the Pre, you will have a field day on Android.
The GPS app (Google Navigation) is the best nav app I've ever used, blowing my TomTom and Garmins away. You've never used GPS like this. Seriously. Dialers are dialers anywhere. And if you're hooked on T5, then that's that and you'll have to go WebOS 2.0 to stay in that environment.
You will get all of those things in spades. The 720 video on the Epic murders the Pre video. Side by side camera shots Pre vs. Epic aren't anywhere close either. The Epic takes really great photos (or maybe I just think that coming from Pre). Youtube HD is great. The games are MUCH better. And if you're a Google apps user (mail, calendar, etc) then the integration is fantastic. The transition for me was silky smooth.
Trust me. The app difference is so huge that it's not even an apples to apples comparison. Think Windows vs. Mac apps 15 years ago. There's apps out there you didn't know you wanted.
It will come down to Touchwiz vs. Sense, which Sense is typically preferred. Having said that, I wiped Touchwiz off my Epic immediately and went custom ROM. I don't think it's a deal breaker.
For what it's worth, I miss the way the Pre felt in the hand. Something about that design was just right. The Epic is a fatty in comparison, especially with a case. But after I went to the Epic, every time I see a Pre screen, all I see are the pixels. It's so bad it's distracting. I never noticed em when I had it but now you couldn't pay me to go back from AMOLED. I wish Android had Paratroopers, Dr. Podder (I use and like BeyondPod, but Dr. Podder was perfection), and quicker app to app transition (the card system is still amazing), but that's it.
Hope I helped.
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Lol ya seriously. At&t is still saying they have the fastest network "period" WRONG!
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So far I'm leaning towards the epic. Key elements being the HW KB has dedicated number keys which is something I like the idea of but not something I would have to have. Devices size compare almost exact same size but the epic has a larger screen. Though not by very much when you crunch the numbers but when I look at them side by side the difference may be more meaningful. I had thought about the differences between touchwiz and sense and then got to thinking neither one sells me on being better than the other both have attractive features and both have things that make me mutter "I might find that a nuisance". Bottom line is I'm all about customizing which is why I like(d) webOS so much. So I'll probably definitely customize whichever device I get. Of course I'll have to look into the ins and outs of that to see what I can and can't do.
I'm trying to make the same decision - Epic or Evo Shift? They both seem like great phones, but the sAMOLED screen, FFC, dedicated number keys, and graphics processing power have me seriously leaning toward the Epic.
I, too, was initially impressed by the first published Quadrant score for the Evo Shift - 1481 (I think!) Then, I started doing a little research. Maybe someone can substantiate this, but I've been reading that Quadrant favors the SnapDragon's processing methods over the Hummingbird's, so we typically see lower scores from stock Epics. Can anyone share how they compare on SmartBench 2010? I've read that SmartBench is better for seeing a true comparison.
The Evo Shift apparently has the Adreno 205 GPU. Although a big improvement over "big brother" Evo's Adreno 200, it still doesn't match the Epic's PowerVR SGX540 GPU. What more could you want to power that gorgeous sAMOLED display?
As you can see, I'm seriously leaning Epic. Even though there's no FroYo yet (Plenty of developers are cooking up great ROMs). Even though I've never really been a Sammy fan. Even though... well, you get the picture.
My wife has an Evo... she loves it. But she uses it for basic tasks. Facebook, texting, some Twitter (Seesmic, anyone?), web browsing, and a YouTube video now & then. Nothing very intense. I, on the other hand, want a phone with a bigger display that I play decent games on, watch HQ YouTube videos, etc. etc...
Hmm... I may have just finished making my decision.
I, too, was initially impressed by the first published Quadrant score for the Evo Shift - 1481 (I think!) Then, I started doing a little research. Maybe someone can substantiate this, but I've been reading that Quadrant favors the SnapDragon's processing methods over the Hummingbird's, so we typically see lower scores from stock Epics. Can anyone share how they compare on SmartBench 2010? I've read that SmartBench is better for seeing a true comparison.
The Evo Shift apparently has the Adreno 205 GPU. Although a big improvement over "big brother" Evo's Adreno 200, it still doesn't match the Epic's PowerVR SGX540 GPU. What more could you want to power that gorgeous sAMOLED display?
As you can see, I'm seriously leaning Epic. Even though there's no FroYo yet (Plenty of developers are cooking up great ROMs). Even though I've never really been a Sammy fan. Even though... well, you get the picture.
My wife has an Evo... she loves it. But she uses it for basic tasks. Facebook, texting, some Twitter (Seesmic, anyone?), web browsing, and a YouTube video now & then. Nothing very intense. I, on the other hand, want a phone with a bigger display that I play decent games on, watch HQ YouTube videos, etc. etc...
Hmm... I may have just finished making my decision.
I agree that she should wait on the new EVO slider. HTC seems to care for their customers far better than Samsung do. Notice that HTC quickly updated the EVO to Froyo while Samsung are dragging their feet on upgrading the Epic to Froyo. I suspect they'd rather that we purchase a new phone to get the features we want than to upgrade the OS. Frankly, I would never reward Samsung with another purchase because of this experience with Froyo on the Epic.
lol! "probably definitely".... that phrase always cracks me up.
I came to the Epic from WebOS also, the customization potential of Android is SO much more than WebOS. ...assuming you root and go with a custum ROM and/or 3rd party launcher.
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