Galaxy S5 Water Resistant?! Maybe "in your dreams" but not mine ;)

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It's too bad Samsung doesn't think Customer Service is important.

I hate to say but this is one of the reasons why Apple is very popular and best companies.

This is why I also want either a Samsung or Google/android store like Apple, when I have problem with any company I hate doing it over the phone. IMO it's easier for them to throw it in your face since you're not face-to-face and worst even hang up on you.

Too bad when you call apple they want to charge you money to read a script to you while talking down to you with a superior attitude. They think they make a flawless product and are not in any way useful. I cant comment on an Apple store as the nearest is 200 plus miles away.

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Sorry to hear about your bad experience, sounds like a poorly trained verizon store. I work for a locally owned store and we knew from day one verizon wouldnt replace a water damaged s5. They are water resistant not water proof, simple user error can destroy the phone. At no point has a rep in our store recommended taking one into the water because there is still that chance of failure.

We don't really trust water proof cases either, Ive seen them fail.

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Perhaps the seal on the usb port wasn't sealed well. The phone is only water resistant for up to 30 minutes and it's probably give or take a few minutes. I treat the water resistance as an extra layer of insurance.. I don't purposely get it wet. I also have insurance for my S5.

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If they aren't going to cover water related issues due to poorly sealed phones, then they should stop touting it as a plus.

If everything is sealed and they claim 30 minutes in 1 meter of water, I don't expect the phone to dies from an accidental drop in the pool.

That being said, I have never had a water damaged phone.
I don't use my phone over a sink, toilet or near any pool.
 
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In fairness to Samsung -- and working in retail I see this a lot -- what people say happened and what actually happened are two different things. They can't go replacing every S5 with water damage just because Customer X says he followed the IP67 limitations. I'm sure there are a lot of messed up S5's out there because people pushed the boundaries and it did get water damage.
 
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I'm with Telus in Canada... When I got my S5, they made a point of mentioning that even though the S5 is water resistant (not water proof), that water damages are not covered. Which, I understand.

For me, I think it's more of a 'oh I'm in the rain and get some water on it without worrying'.. Not a 'oh crap I had it in the pool' or 'dropped it in the toilet' (which, I have never done either). In my mind, water and technology don't go together, especially a cellphone.

I'd like to think that the phone is completely sealed with no issues, but I am hesitant to take underwater pictures and such like some have done.

However, still sucks about the customer service issues and the phone. I love the S5, and even if I damaged mine with water, I'd get another. Best phone I have ever had.
 
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I have read all of the threads with water related problems.

Yes, the original advertisements made it sound like we could take our phones swimming...

But, as an electronic tech who has been in the business since 1958 and retired from it, I can tell you that there is no such thing as "water proof"... It might be "water resistant" for a while, but eventually it will get damp.

Depending on the case seals, some things just get plain wet. I had that experience with a previous Samsung phone that I lost in a puddle of water. I knew where it was "sort of".

"Brilliant Idea!" I will just call it and see where the ripples are. I always have it on Vibrate.

"Bad Idea :( " it was working until the ringer started vibrating the phone... then the water infiltrated the phone and it was gone gone gone.

Back in the "old days", I used to take mobile radios that had got soaked in a down pour and place them on the open oven door and set the thermostat at 125 degrees. Let them soak at that temperature for 2 or 3 hours and then cool overnight. Turn that radio on and it worked just fine.

but that was tubes and big hard capacitors and film coated resistors. None of the fancy integrated circuitry we have now. sigh, dating myself.
 
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Aren't there separate indicators where they can tell whether it was customer negligent like if they didn't close the flap properly they would be able to tell?


Too bad when you call apple they want to charge you money to read a script to you while talking down to you with a superior attitude...

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This is why I said I hate dealing over phone.

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Well I have to say in reading your narrative, you took the advertisement promise with out reading the fine print.

I personally would never take my phone into an environment that could harm it. As has been said, water and technology don't mix.

I hope you get things resolved, but would have to say that if you want to play with your phones in the water, get cases that are Waterproof, as Water Resistant and water proof are different spectrums.

I do believe if you look on Youtube, there is a video where a guy left an S5 in a pool for like an hour.
 
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OP, it sucks - no two ways about it.

As far as the S5 being "water resistant" - I certainly wouldn't purposely take one of my devices and expose it to water. I mean look how long (up until the S5 that I know of) we used devices without the title of "water resistant". As soon as the horn is tooted, many people you can't do any wrong with the water. Water and electronics are a bad mix, regardless of how Samsung promotes it.

Too bad you couldn't use the heart rate feature after that call with Samsung. :D

Just kidding ya, OP......I hope your up and running again.
 
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Hey all,

Thank you for the comments. I do think this is an awesome phone and look forward to using it again as soon as it comes in.. Now to find the thinnest protection available for it,I hate big cases.

It's actually been quite entertaining watching what my teenage daughter has been doing without having a phone! Reminds me of my teenage years...talking on the house phone(connected to the wall), reading, watching movies, swimming, interacting in person with others and spending more time at the dinner table. We actually had her join us on the front porch last night talking for hours. Awesome, big smiley. Can we ban the use of cell phones for everyone under 21? They'd have a real life. Maybe we should simply remind us parents that they can actually have one with our support. Eye opener for this parent.

Sorry for the off topic, but maybe it's not.
 
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Well, phones are coming in soon, so that's good. I have read of many good reports of water "abuse" and many of incidental water damage. The inconsistency is alarming on a device that is touted by mfg and sales people to be able to handle life as we live it, so to speak. Regardless of tech and water history or fine print, when they push something so overtly knowing it could fail, there has to be some form of consequence. I really feel bad for the sales folks that are the ones taking it on the chin when their clients return accusing them of misleading tactics.
 
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A couple of things: Per the narrative, the first device had an issue within the first week - then they replaced it with a refurbished unit. That's incredibly strange and there's no chance I would have accepted anything refurbished, used, open box, etc - that's during the exchange period. Next, as a few others have indicated, warranty via the carrier or OEM rarely covers damage of any kind due to misuse, etc but insurance does.

I can't imagine why the Verizon rep wasn't up front about that with the first issue and I'm also having a very hard time understanding why no one is explaining the water-resistant properties of the devices to people - especially when trying to sell them this device instead of the one they actually wanted. It's pretty much a given that if you'd bought the devices you wanted and hadn't been sold a crock about the device being more rugged in water, etc that you'd have been very much more careful and not taken the risks that resulted in the damaged S5's.

Hindsight, etc but if you're still within the first two weeks I'd return all of them and then either buy the devices you want (new) or switch to a carrier that isn't going to try to "upsell" you to bad devices for bad reasons.
 
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Sorry hear about your problems. You mentioned the waterproof baggie, I know 4 people who bought those at a water park for phones, all 4 had water damaged phones. Brought it back and before they could open their mouths, the clerk showed them the label that they are not responsible for damage.

I agree that some sales people give inaccurate information, either accidentally or intentionally. Personally, if a store rep promised that Verizon would replace it free if it got wet, I would ask for documentation. In lieu of that, I would write it on the receipt and have the sales rep sign and date.

No offense but I have been told inaccurate information too many times by sales reps for a wide range of products.

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It's too bad Samsung doesn't think Customer Service is important.

I hate to say but this is one of the reasons why Apple is very popular and best companies.

This is why I also want either a Samsung or Google/android store like Apple, when I have problem with any company I hate doing it over the phone. IMO it's easier for them to throw it in your face since you're not face-to-face and worst even hang up on you.

My experience with Apple has been sub par. I called in to have apple care + added to my new ipad, they took my info and cc and all and said all was done. I checked back a few weeks later online only to find out that there was no ac+ on my new ipad. Called in out whaagain, and they couldn't figure out what happened, but was able to re order for me. He said it would be effective starting from the day I bought ac+, also inaccurate. Guess I have bad luck.



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I certainly agree with a caveat emptor philosophy. There's no way I should have trusted the sales pitch only. But the promotional material I found online corroborated it and ironically, my great experience with the water resistant properties of my DNA which were not promoted at all, allowed me a sense of security that I would have typically ignored.

The overwhelming emotion from all of this is disappointment; in allowing my defenses to go down more than once, in the mfg for preying on wishful thinking consumers, the sales team for blindly promoting pie in the sky, verizon customer service for being pass the buck minded with a known issue and samsung service for being so arrogant.

I may start a poll thread just to see others experience with this. Thoughts?
 
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Verizon normally isn't going to cover water damage of any sort, and Samsung's service is notoriously bad. Nothing new here.

The problem I think are the phones themselves. There are several people here that have had theirs wet, under water, even taking pictures under water with no issues. Heck, somebody even ran one through a washing machine and boiled it and it was fine. If your story is accurate your phones were defective and Samsung ought to cover it. However, I am not surprised a bit that they won't.

Don't be. There is a report out there saying someone's S3 or S4 (can't remember which version though I swear it was an S4) started a fire while it was charging on his kitchen counter. Samsung replied asking him to sign a release stating it would not happen.
Here is the vid the guy posted:

Samsung is awful which is why I wanted to get rid of my S4 in the first place. I moved to LG and though I haven't seen any bad reports myself, I'm sure they are out there. I just feel like LG will be somewhat better than my S4.

I've gotta agree. Water-Resistant phones, still fall under the same carrier insurance as every other phone. And yeah, you'd be forced to deal with the manufacture. For this reason, I typically get insurance through a 3rd part company search as SquareTrade or Bubble. I think Bubble is one of the only insurances that covers everything from water to it being stolen/lost.

That's a good idea. I never thought about buying an ST warranty on my phone. I may have to look into that. :)

OP, it sucks - no two ways about it.

As far as the S5 being "water resistant" - I certainly wouldn't purposely take one of my devices and expose it to water. I mean look how long (up until the S5 that I know of) we used devices without the title of "water resistant". As soon as the horn is tooted, many people you can't do any wrong with the water. Water and electronics are a bad mix, regardless of how Samsung promotes it.

Too bad you couldn't use the heart rate feature after that call with Samsung. :D

Just kidding ya, OP......I hope your up and running again.

Agreed. Just because it says it is IP67 certified doesn't mean you should purposely take it underwater or near water. I work for AT&T Wireless LP chat and I usually only recommend it to people who have younger children because they like to throw phones in toilets... just as an extra protection so they can try not to use the warranty.

A couple of things: Per the narrative, the first device had an issue within the first week - then they replaced it with a refurbished unit. That's incredibly strange and there's no chance I would have accepted anything refurbished, used, open box, etc - that's during the exchange period. Next, as a few others have indicated, warranty via the carrier or OEM rarely covers damage of any kind due to misuse, etc but insurance does.

I can't imagine why the Verizon rep wasn't up front about that with the first issue and I'm also having a very hard time understanding why no one is explaining the water-resistant properties of the devices to people - especially when trying to sell them this device instead of the one they actually wanted. It's pretty much a given that if you'd bought the devices you wanted and hadn't been sold a crock about the device being more rugged in water, etc that you'd have been very much more careful and not taken the risks that resulted in the damaged S5's.

Hindsight, etc but if you're still within the first two weeks I'd return all of them and then either buy the devices you want (new) or switch to a carrier that isn't going to try to "upsell" you to bad devices for bad reasons.

1) Yes, why would you even accept a refurbished device within the first week when that is within the 14-day return with only restocking fee policy that ALL carriers have. I would have demanded a brand new device and not left without one.
I've been in my local T-Mobile store for hours before (waiting on my mom lol) so I can honestly say that I would stay for hours at a time to get my **** fixed the way me and my family needs it to be.

2) We aren't upfront because the OEM itself puts unnecessary pressures for sales. Personally, I have to have at least 1 sale per hour with my job, so, if I think I am going to get the sale by leaving out important information, I will do it because if I don't, that is another metric they can fire me over. I see where you are coming from but being behind the lines with this doesn't make me that surprised that the VZW reps were not up front about it. They probably have to have a number of sales per day or per week or per month. There are always going to be a number of sales you have to have with a retail job.
I was a retail banker for my last job at the bank and that means that I had to go out and get accounts and we had to have so many accounts per month in order to stay open. They literally closed branches that weren't performing while I was there. So, yes, there are ALWAYS going to be sales metrics that the retail employees have to hit and what @dpham00 said was that he would make sure he had proof that the employee said what they said. That's where you can catch them leaving things out because if @dpham00 were to ask me for that, I would immediately say what I was leaving out.

That's just my story, personally, but I still think it is valid.
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OP, I think you should learn from your past two mistakes and try your best to keep it away from water. Take a regular waterproof camera, there is no need for a phone while rafting or at a water park. Yeah, it costs money to develop the film but they can now transfer that film to USB (as far as I can remember at least) so, you can have it digitally if you need it digitally.
 
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If someone was going to buy an M8 anyways, why pressure them into an S5? Presumably they're similarly priced and same contract conditions, etc.

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It's not surprising they wouldn't cover it because there really is no way for them to verify if it was sealed properly and nothing else happened (even though in your case it seems like you had it closed up correctly). This is just another reason I do not put much faith in "water resistant/proof" phones. Just too many variables, and it seems like the risk of a ruined phone far outweighs the perks of carrying into water with you.
 
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Great comments, especially that info from Dudethatserin. Thank you.

I guess it still comes back to the idea that a phone feature is being aggressively promoted that will not be supported. Regardless of what should or should not be done with a phone, if resistance to accidental water exposure is a selling point, it must be able to function. What if another feature that is promoted doesn't necessarily have to work? Like if heart-rate monitor gives the wrong count? This is mostly rhetorical, of course, but the situation illustrates the desire to get converts rather than retention.
 

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