Help! someone convince me why the Nexus is better again!

[YourMobileGuru]

I'm not going to debate this all point by point with you because frankly I have a life and so much of this is perception, and some of it you simply don't know what you are talking about or you are reading something some fanboy wrote somewhere who didn't know what they were talking about. We aren't going to agree and that's fine.

That's true for a reason. Back then, Android wasn't growing nearly as fast as it is now. Better hardware was possible then, but no one cared enough to use it, so Google HAD to get them to use it. Ever since then it's been a race for the best hardware. In 2011 we've gone to Dual Core, and now we're heading towards Quad Core already WITHOUT any push from Google. Google doesn't NEED to set any hardware bars. Like you said, there are a ton of phones with great hardware. Not only is it not possible for Google to push the bar with the technology that exists now, but it would probably be a bad idea even if they could. Isn't it bad enough that flagship phones barely stay flagships for two weeks anymore?

I will say though that the this last bit is a cop out. Google may not NEED to push the specs, but given the state of innovation and growth this device is going to be HORRIBLY dated because they DIDN'T push the envelope. I've said it before and I will say it again, other than ICS and faster updates, this device has nothing going for it that isn't available on at least one other device. In 3-6 months we will all be looking at this device shaking our heads at it much as we are now with the Thunderbolt, Droid Incredible 2, and Droid X2 wondering what Google was thinking.

Now I reiterate I am NOT saying this is a bad device or even sub par, merely that it is not ABOVE par which is what a Flagship device should be.

 

[Iceman0803]

Why convince you of anything. It seems that you made up your mind long ago on this one.

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I was going to say the SAME thing. Good thing I decided to read a few replies first lol.

 

[jhtheking]

I'm not going to debate this all point by point with you because frankly I have a life and so much of this is perception, and some of it you simply don't know what you are talking about or you are reading something some fanboy wrote somewhere who didn't know what they were talking about. We aren't going to agree and that's fine.



I will say though that the this last bit is a cop out. Google may not NEED to push the specs, but given the state of innovation and growth this device is going to be HORRIBLY dated because they DIDN'T push the envelope. I've said it before and I will say it again, other than ICS and faster updates, this device has nothing going for it that isn't available on at least one other device. In 3-6 months we will all be looking at this device shaking our heads at it much as we are now with the Thunderbolt, Droid Incredible 2, and Droid X2 wondering what Google was thinking.

Now I reiterate I am NOT saying this is a bad device or even sub par, merely that it is not ABOVE par which is what a Flagship device should be.

Lol? Who is saying that about those phones? There is nothing wrong with the hardware on those phones.. at the time it was the best hardware they could provide to make the profit they needed to continue growing. If you shake your head at all the past devices' hardware then you don't understand how companies work at all. To sit here and shake my head at the og droids 600mhz cpu would be dumb: What were they thinking?? Only 600mhz?? If they had waited until now they could have a 1.2ghz dual core! Man google is dumb to let a phone like that come out!

Google could wait for a quad core processor but then they would lose money by not releasing the device now..

 

[YourMobileGuru]

Lol? Who is saying that about those phones? There is nothing wrong with the hardware on those phones.. at the time it was the best hardware they could provide to make the profit they needed to continue growing. If you shake your head at all the past devices' hardware then you don't understand how companies work at all. To sit here and shake my head at the og droids 600mhz cpu would be dumb: What were they thinking?? Only 600mhz?? If they had waited until now they could have a 1.2ghz dual core! Man google is dumb to let a phone like that come out!

Google could wait for a quad core processor but then they would lose money by not releasing the device now..

The original Droid, like the Nexus One was a pioneering device at the time of it's launch. It was far and away better than ANY android device on the market.

This simply isn't true of the GN, and if I may be so bold it is a mistake on their part not to do that with this device. It should have a 1.5 or 1.7 Ghz processor, 8MP camera, along with the best optics and sensor that money can buy and 1.5 GB or RAM. It should have a Super Amoled or at least Super LCD screen not Pentile (even of it is a "better" Pentile). A Nexus should be a game changer and should remain at least on par with everything else for at last 6 months.

Again I am NOT saying this is a bad device, but Google cut corners here and it shows, and all the arguments about how it will hold its own for any length of time is just not true. We are 2-3 months away from quad core and 2Ghz processors. This device needs something to clearly make it stand out in the crowd and right now it doesn't. I'm sorry but it doesn't.

 

[jhtheking]

The original Droid, like the Nexus One was a pioneering device at the time of it's launch. It was far and away better than ANY android device on the market.

This simply isn't true of the GN, and if I may be so bold it is a mistake on their part not to do that with this device. It should have a 1.5 or 1.7 Ghz processor, 8MP camera, along with the best optics and sensor that money can buy and 1.5 GB or RAM. It should have a Super Amoled or at least Super LCD screen not Pentile (even of it is a "better" Pentile). A Nexus should be a game changer and should remain at least on par with everything else for at last 6 months.

Again I am NOT saying this is a bad device, but Google cut corners here and it shows, and all the arguments about how it will hold its own for any length of time is just not true. We are 2-3 months away from quad core and 2Ghz processors. This device needs something to clearly make it stand out in the crowd and right now it doesn't. I'm sorry but it doesn't.

I see what you're saying but if every aspect of the phone were top notch, it would be more than $300 with an upgrade. They aren't doing this just to make us mad and question them. If they thought they could sell the perfect phone for $500 when the razr and rezound are $300 they would. But the phone is smooth and fast with a 1.2 ghz processor. Also, contrary to popular belief, more megapixels doesn't necessarily make a camera better. As I read on a photography forum once when they were discussing increasing MP in phones, someone asked, "are they trying to put up billboards?" A higher MP only means a larger image, not necessarily any clearer.

 

[mjhubbard]

I never thought I was opening such a can of worms. My first post to top 8 pages.

 

[TerryMasters]

I'm completely on the fence as far as buying a Nexus myself.

Right now I have a Charge, which was beyond words awful until I rooted it. Now, the phone is snappy as could be - looks gorgeous without the TouchWiz nonsense and the lag is nonexistent. 4G LTE speeds that top around 50Mbps down just like the Nexus, an 8MP camera that may take better quality stills than the Nexus... the only thing the new phone has going for it is the dual core processor and the HD screen. But the non-HD Amoled Plus on the Charge is just as incredible. I really can't believe how big of a night and day difference rooting the phone made performance-wise.

That said, if I can get my hands on a Nexus I'll probably buy one. Because no one should ever have to root their phone in order to make it work the way it's supposed to, and I'm sure one of my family members can enjoy this once I replace it. I'd rather have the updates directly from Google instead of waiting 12 months like we did with the Charge (provided they don't go through Samsung like that recent article suggests). But it does seem like the longer the Nexus takes to come out, the more problems pop up with it, which make me want to scrap the idea altogether.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

I see what you're saying but if every aspect of the phone were top notch, it would be more than $300 with an upgrade. They aren't doing this just to make us mad and question them. If they thought they could sell the perfect phone for $500 when the razr and rezound are $300 they would. But the phone is smooth and fast with a 1.2 ghz processor. Also, contrary to popular belief, more megapixels doesn't necessarily make a camera better. As I read on a photography forum once when they were discussing increasing MP in phones, someone asked, "are they trying to put up billboards?" A higher MP only means a larger image, not necessarily any clearer.

I am well aware of that. Please reread what I said "8MP camera, along with the best optics and sensor that money can buy"

I am well aware of how unimportant the MP, but -- and here's the important part -- the consumer generally doesn't and the fact is the bar has been set at 8PM in the collective consumer mind, much as 12-14 (and now 16) has been for the point and shoot cameras. I actually almost didn't even mention MP in my original post for this very reason.

More than 5-6 MP for either is way more than sufficient (3 would really be fine on a phone), but they want it higher. I have this discussion with customers at my job several times a week and most just don't get it even if you explain it to them. Even on these forums (which are frequented by people generally more tech savvy than most of the customers I usually deal with) how many times does the subject of MP come up? It would cost Samsung pennies to increase the MP of the camera to reassure the consumer that it is not "old" or "out of date" and as long as the sensor and optics are good it should be comparable to the Rezound and iPhone 4S (I read somewhere that apparently Samsung licenses something proprietary so they can't use what they have in the GS2). But for whatever reason they chose not to.

Full retail on this device is expected to be somewhere between $600-700 the same as the Rezound, Bionic, GS2, and Razr. All of them have the higher specs, so I doubt manufacturing cost had a lot to do with it unless we all turn out to be wrong and the full retail is closer to $550 and a $199 subsidized.

Again for those reading this I am not saying this is a bad device (far from it) but it's a little disappointing to see that they cut a few corners on the hardware.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

I never thought I was opening such a can of worms. My first post to top 8 pages.

It's all good, bud, if we can't have the GN yet we can at least debate it

 

[YourMobileGuru]

I I'd rather have the updates directly from Google instead of waiting 12 months like we did with the Charge (provided they don't go through Samsung like that recent article suggests). But it does seem like the longer the Nexus takes to come out, the more problems pop up with it, which make me want to scrap the idea altogether.

I personally don't think that is going to be as serious a problem anymore. When Google announced that collective to expedite OS updates back at IO I think that was them putting their foots down (behind closed doors) and it's just taken this long to get all their ducks in a row. The Charge finally got it, and only a week or so later so did the Fascinate and that completely blew my mind because of all the issues with giving it Froyo. I thought for sure that was a dead device.

I've always been one of Samsung's biggest critics when it comes to OS updates (read my post history -- I wrote a manifesto about it in the AT&T GS2 forum), and I cautioned almost everyone NOT to buy a charge because they would have to wait for Christmas to get their Gingerbread (turned out to be right on that one) but the fact that the Fascinate finally got an update gives me hope that Samsung has changed their ways and the GS2 I bought might actually get an ICS update early next year instead of next summer like I expected.

We shall see but I think this is a turning point for Android and things will only get better from here.