Here is why there is so much HTC hate.

[So Cold]

Samsung is following in the footsteps of Apple... Yes they both come out with good products, each meant for a specific individual. But, Samsung has fallen in the trap that has got a lot of people leaving Apple, that they come up with a flagship phone which updates with "minor" changes. I have a samsung currently, and the only reason i am switching is because i was disappointed to see that the phone looks practically exactly the same. Yes, internally there are significant upgrades, but you need to make your costumers feel like you are getting something new. This in my opinion will push some people away from samsung as they did apple... big company selling their name instead of innovation.

I would say they haven't gotten to that point yet. I hear htc fans complaining the s4 is just like the s3 but not so many Samsung owners. Brand equity is important, you can't go reinventing the wheel every year or two. And if you really look the s4 is more than a spec bump over the s3 and it's not like it doesn't stand toe to toe with the one. Also Samsung has the note line as another flagship where apple just has the one iphone (which they still sell ridiculous quantities of).

Out of the 3 htc was the one that had to do something radically different because they were so far behind

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[So Cold]

Back on the original topic...

I have no interest in bashing the one. It's not my personal preference right now but neither is the s4 for that matter. But it does look like it will be a great device and I'm sure it will do well. From prior experience I'm often very critical of htc and I think a lot of people are, but you won't see me blindly one bashing around here.

Samsung just doesn't pay me well enough...

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[JHBThree]

No, it's the same. Different methods of course but the intentions are the same, the only difference being that HTC was more brave about it. I don't know for sure if those people were employees of HTC or not, I wasn't there but there were people in the crowd campaigning for the One, as evident by media blogging outlets in attendance and those genuinely interested in the phone.

But I still can't wrap my head around why Samsung wouldn't try something like this with the US. It's the largest market. You'd think they'd do it with Apple at least if they'll do it to a small corporation like HTC, maybe they have and we just don't know it. Either way I don't think it's dirty enough to blacklist Samsung phones throughout their existence, every company is doing the same yet differently. You may as well boycott those as well. The only difference is they haven't gotten caught with their hand in the cookie jar yet and are having the luxury of not looking foolish like Samsung is right now.

It's completely different. What htc did was clearly identified as htc activity and htc marketing. What samsung did was pay individuals to conceal (lie) about the fact that they were paid samsung shills, attacking htc products while promoting Samsung's. If people had known, they would have taken their 'advice' with a grain of salt. Because they didn't, they assumed the person was just giving their honest opinion on what to buy.

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[YourMobileGuru]

I'm not sure why this suorises anyone. Samsung learned a lot including marketing at Apple's knee and youre a naive fool if you don't think Apple has been doing this for years

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[Nonya76]

I don't care what sort of marketing "tactics" a company uses. Their product will speak for itself. If paying folks to publicly bash HTC worked, then the easily led sheep who decided to buy Samsung based on nothing more than opinions of people they don't know got suckered. Oh well! C'mon y'all, this crap is very common. Think about how often a movie, pair of shoes, or a car magically becomes "the thing to have" because some fool on TV made it seem so. I just see media zombies wondering around, desperate for someone to tell them what to do.

 

[badbrad17]

Those people we obvious HTC people though, this is a little more deceptive. Both in the same ballpark, but not quite the same. It's e new world of guerrilla marketing.

I'm pretty sure the "accidental" early sale of the One at select AT&T stores is the same thing. Early buzz, keeps them in the news cycle when they otherwise wouldn't have been, etc.

Ya, I agree. It's complete different when Samsung is speaking untruths compared to HTC just going around saying we think our phone is better. Similarly LG posted an ad beside the Samsung S4 ad in Times Square saying the next great thing is already here. I have no problem with this. But lying about things is a whole new level of scum.

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[badbrad17]

You can throw whatever you want out of your windows, what you do in your spare time is none of my business.

I see it as the same, except Samsung was more cowardly in going about it. Both companies paid people to prop up their respective employer's product, what's the difference again? Because people were behind computer monitors? Is that it? If anything you're more likely to sell a person a product if you're in front of them preaching about said product. No, I see what you're saying but it only applies if those that were in attendance at the S4 unveil held actual job positions in HTC instead of HTC hiring random people off the street. Which do you think is more likely?

The reason one is illegal is that the posts were not true. Samsung was saying the HTC phones were faulty when they weren't. You can't lie about a competitors product. HTC didn't lie about Samsung in times Square.

Remember the I'm a Mac, I'm a PC ads? These bashed Microsoft all day long but were not lies. Same with the Samsung ads recently with all the iPhone buyers in the line up. Totally legit. Lying... Not legit.

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[Acelx]

Never been a fan boy to anyone.. I'm a tech head I just buy whatever is hot and new. If I like it I buy it..

I don't see why people want to be so one sided when it comes to brands, be open and step outside the box.

Because we all know these companies aren't loyal to us.. Just look at how many people praise Verizon. But they end up waiting 3 extra months now for a upgrade

 

[badbrad17]

I don't care what sort of marketing "tactics" a company uses. Their product will speak for itself. If paying folks to publicly bash HTC worked, then the easily led sheep who decided to buy Samsung based on nothing more than opinions of people they don't know got suckered. Oh well! C'mon y'all, this crap is very common. Think about how often a movie, pair of shoes, or a car magically becomes "the thing to have" because some fool on TV made it seem so. I just see media zombies wondering around, desperate for someone to tell them what to do.

But imagine this was a TV ad. Someone is standing in a store looking at a HTC One and a guy walks up and says, hey I heard that phone crashes and has major problems. My girlfriend has they Note 2 and says it's the best phone available.

This type of ad is illegal. It is a misrepresentation of a competitors product and is a no no. Especially if the person is being paid to tell the lie.

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[adriandb]

Remember the I'm a Mac, I'm a PC ads? These bashed Microsoft all day long but were not lies. Same with the Samsung ads recently with all the iPhone buyers in the line up. Totally legit. Lying... Not legit.

Great analysis.

 

[xsouldriverx]

Forgive me bc i havnt read the whole thread yet but yeah i see this happening easily.

Starting in the mid 2000s game companies would pay off reviewers to give their crappy games high scores. And its proven and tgerefor i hardly go to review sites like ign anymore. Ever wonder how call of duty keeps making games with huge scores? There is bothing new and innovative at all bere. Their games have been the same just reskinned for the past xxxx years. They just put a little "marketing" money here and there and voila!

And o defend htc at the launch crashings and twitter stuff they were saying that as reps of HTC. This samsung thing looks like they hired 3rd party reps that would otherwise be clained as non affiliated to do their work.


For both these reasons i stick with review sites like anandtech, they stick to facts there and are extremely detailed.

 

[warpdrive]

Ya, I agree. It's complete different when Samsung is speaking untruths compared to HTC just going around saying we think our phone is better. Similarly LG posted an ad beside the Samsung S4 ad in Times Square saying the next great thing is already here. I have no problem with this. But lying about things is a whole new level of scum.

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So are you saying that HTC is scum because they try to lie by saying "ultra pixels let in 300% more light" when larger pixels don't let in any more light then smaller ones?

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[Nreeldeep]

Definition of Allegation: A claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.
I'm definitely a Samsung fan. Have purchased the S2,3 and Note 2 in succession. Also a fan of HTC, I owned the og EVO and the EVO LTE. I just liked where Samsung was going with the Galaxy line and hitched a ride.
If it's proven that Samsung uses these underhanded tactics, I'll no longer be a fan or customer. But allegations are just that: a claim or assertion without proof.
I refuse to make decisions based on claims and assertions that don't come with proof cuz I definitely wouldn't want that done to me.

 

[Nreeldeep]

Forgive me bc i havnt read the whole thread yet but yeah i see this happening easily.

Starting in the mid 2000s game companies would pay off reviewers to give their crappy games high scores. And its proven and tgerefor i hardly go to review sites like ign anymore. Ever wonder how call of duty keeps making games with huge scores? There is bothing new and innovative at all bere. Their games have been the same just reskinned for the past xxxx years. They just put a little "marketing" money here and there and voila!

And o defend htc at the launch crashings and twitter stuff they were saying that as reps of HTC. This samsung thing looks like they hired 3rd party reps that would otherwise be clained as non affiliated to do their work.


For both these reasons i stick with review sites like anandtech, they stick to facts there and are extremely detailed.

You have got to proofread before you save bruh.

 

[BigDinCA]

So are you saying that HTC is scum because they try to lie by saying "ultra pixels let in 300% more light" when larger pixels don't let in any more light then smaller ones?

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

What? How is that statement analogous to the topic?

 

[warpdrive]

What? How is that statement analogous to the topic?

Because someone stated that it could be ok as long as we are not lied to...but yet they all lie to us, even HTC. So is now HTC scum as per his/her example? I'm just asking what this person's thoughts are.

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[BigDinCA]

Because someone stated that it could be ok as long as we are not lied to...but yet they all lie to us, even HTC. So is now HTC scum as per his/her example? I'm just asking what this person's thoughts are.

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

The point is that Samsung was knowingly telling flat-out lies tales another manufacturer's device. Wether you believe all or nothing that HTC says about their camera is irrelevant: it's HTC discussing their own product. If HTC were found to be paying Anandtech or AC or whoever else to say their camera was the greatest optical creation ever and has no faults, only to find out there was a flaw w/ the lens that they knew about all along, that would be a little closer. But it's still not the same as paying a professional firm to fabricate issues with a competitor's device and spread them anonymously on the internet.

 

[BigDinCA]

...I refuse to make decisions based on claims and assertions that don't come with proof cuz I definitely wouldn't want that done to me.

If you read through the article in the link you'll see that they cop to it and say they have pulled the plug on the practice.

 

[warpdrive]

The point is that Samsung was knowingly telling flat-out lies tales another manufacturer's device. Wether you believe all or nothing that HTC says about their camera is irrelevant: it's HTC discussing their own product. If HTC were found to be paying Anandtech or AC or whoever else to say their camera was the greatest optical creation ever and has no faults, only to find out there was a flaw w/ the lens that they knew about all along, that would be a little closer. But it's still not the same as paying a professional firm to fabricate issues with a competitor's device and spread them anonymously on the internet.

I never said that what Samsung did was not dirty. I don't know why you feel the need to defend someone's statements, but you should calm down and have a nice cup of coffee. If I could, I would pass you a cookie and hope it makes you feel better.

Edit: and when did we start to believe that some lies are ok and some are not?


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[BigDinCA]

I don't know why you feel the need to defend someone's statements, but you should calm down and have a nice cup of coffee. If I could, I would pass you a cookie and hope it makes you feel better.

Edit: and when did we start to believe that some lies are ok and some are not?

I've already had my coffee this morning and I'm not really a cookie guy, but I do enjoy a good blueberry muffin on occasion. And I'm not defending some other guy's comments, those are pretty much everybody's feelings on this thread. It seems like you're being a contrarian in order to crowbar the Ultrapixel conversation in. For what it's worth I believe just about every company lies about their products in some way, shape or form. Exaggerating or telling tales about your own product may be disingenuous, but it doesn't rise to the same level as planting false, negative stories about the competition. It just doesn't.

And for the record, I don't think HTC lied about the camera sensor anyway. I can't say anything specific about the 300% number because I don't have all the variables for the math, but their premise is solid and factual. That doesn't mean it's the best camera out there, because I don't think it is, but they are correct regarding the sensor.