JHBThree
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...but that still doesn't change the fact that the S3 on Verizon won't get it before the nexus.
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How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first?
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...but that still doesn't change the fact that the S3 on Verizon won't get it before the nexus.
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Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
Huh? Maybe 5 months from now this is fact, but right now this isn't a fact and shouldn't be misrepresented as such.
If S3 gets the update first, it should worry everyone. A phone with a locked bootloader getting the newest official OTA before the Nexus with little to no complaints should be a worrisome event.
Huh? Maybe 5 months from now this is fact, but right now this isn't a fact and shouldn't be misrepresented as such.
If S3 gets the update first, it should worry everyone. A phone with a locked bootloader getting the newest official OTA before the Nexus with little to no complaints should be a worrisome event.
For people that care they already have Jelly Bean, for people that don't care it doesn't matter to them. So caring about an update and how its viewed is irrelevant. Besides you have a nexus, you won't be running a stock OTA based ROM. Its more AOSP based FTW.
The root zealots have become complacent. I think Verizon knows this and is probably going "Well.... it's ONLY a minority who care, why should we rush it?"
Yes, WE KNOW WE CAN ROOT AND ROM. WE GET IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU INVADE OUR OTA THREADS ABOUT IT. YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FORUMS FOR TALKING ABOUT ROOTING. IF WE'RE INTERESTED, WE'LL POST THERE AND LET YOU KNOW.
Back on topic, I'm tempted to apply for an internship so I can mole for OTAs...
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Yes, WE KNOW WE CAN ROOT AND ROM. WE GET IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU INVADE OUR OTA THREADS ABOUT IT. YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FORUMS FOR TALKING ABOUT ROOTING. IF WE'RE INTERESTED, WE'LL POST THERE AND LET YOU KNOW.
Back on topic, I'm tempted to apply for an internship so I can mole for OTAs...
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Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
Flash doesn't work when I went to my JB ROM on my VZW GNex. Adobe said that they weren't supporting flash in Android 4.1 and up anymore.
Flash doesn't work when I went to my JB ROM on my VZW GNex. Adobe said that they weren't supporting flash in Android 4.1 and up anymore.
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Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
Let's not stoop to personal attacks, name calling, or taking this discussion where it shouldn't go. Users of AC are free to post anywhere. We're about community and discussion, and being fair to all posters. Rooting came up because right now it is available--that's all. It's not necessarily that you NEED to or SHOULD do it, but rather that it's a viable option if you want Jelly Bean now. If you feel otherwise, my apologies
. Thanks.
Let's not stoop to personal attacks, name calling, or taking this discussion where it shouldn't go. Users of AC are free to post anywhere. We're about community and discussion, and being fair to all posters. Rooting came up because right now it is available--that's all. It's not necessarily that you NEED to or SHOULD do it, but rather that it's a viable option if you want Jelly Bean now. If you feel otherwise, my apologies
. Thanks.
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Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
One of the things I always say about Verizon is that their OTA process is the slowest of the big mobile service providers here in the US. If you purchased a GNex on VZW expecting the update as soon as it was available to the GSM version, that's mistake #1. The fact that the CDMA radio code in the VZW GNex is pretty much considered proprietary tech makes it the last one in the Nexus line to get an update. However, since it is a stock experience (with the exception of the My Verizon App and Backup Assitant apps added), it will get the JB update before any other phone. Heck, the Rezound is still on Gingerbread officially and the only other phone on VZW with ICS is the GSIII (so I can only imagine that a JB update for this will be way after the GNex gets it). Yes, the GNex on VZW still has the advantage in terms of updates over every other phone on VZW. I think people need to be patient when it comes to OTA's on VZW. They don't want software to be rushed out and break phones (see the HTC Thunderbolt debacle when it first launched). I love my VZW GNex even when it was on just ICS, and the developer community has worked their butts off to give us a ton of stable JB ROM's for us to play with. Right now I'm running You Jelly Huh 2.1 from the guys over at Team BAMF and this thing is solid. Now that the VZW GNex Binaries were made available over in AOSP, it will be even easier for the developers to put together proper JB ROM's for this beast. I know a lot of the folks that are waiting for the OTA's don't want to unlock their GNex, but give it a shot, you may be happier with it than just waiting on VZW to drop it onto your bad ass GNex. And yeah, LTE makes it worth it.
One of the things I always say about Verizon is that their OTA process is the slowest of the big mobile service providers here in the US. If you purchased a GNex on VZW expecting the update as soon as it was available to the GSM version, that's mistake #1. The fact that the CDMA radio code in the VZW GNex is pretty much considered proprietary tech makes it the last one in the Nexus line to get an update. However, since it is a stock experience (with the exception of the My Verizon App and Backup Assitant apps added), it will get the JB update before any other phone. Heck, the Rezound is still on Gingerbread officially and the only other phone on VZW with ICS is the GSIII (so I can only imagine that a JB update for this will be way after the GNex gets it). Yes, the GNex on VZW still has the advantage in terms of updates over every other phone on VZW. I think people need to be patient when it comes to OTA's on VZW. They don't want software to be rushed out and break phones (see the HTC Thunderbolt debacle when it first launched). I love my VZW GNex even when it was on just ICS, and the developer community has worked their butts off to give us a ton of stable JB ROM's for us to play with. Right now I'm running You Jelly Huh 2.1 from the guys over at Team BAMF and this thing is solid. Now that the VZW GNex Binaries were made available over in AOSP, it will be even easier for the developers to put together proper JB ROM's for this beast. I know a lot of the folks that are waiting for the OTA's don't want to unlock their GNex, but give it a shot, you may be happier with it than just waiting on VZW to drop it onto your bad ass GNex. And yeah, LTE makes it worth it.
Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
THIS. This is important. This is the smartest comment I've read in this thread. The Nexus is a device for application developers. Period. Yes it's become a keystone phone for the root/rom/development community and the people who love that stuff like me.. and its become more consumerized than the original plan for Nexii was, because more and more people caught on and carriers started carrying them. But at the end of the day it is a phone designed to be unlocked and used by application developers. That is its primary purpose.
On another point.. I've stated this in earlier OTA threads when 4.0.4 was being waited for and I will say it again: Verizon got to be the biggest, best carrier here for many reasons, and thorough and slow testing of software updates is one of their policies which, like it or not, is part of their business. Waiting longer than most others for OTA's, yes even on your nexus, is part of the price you pay for even getting to run a nexus on Verizon's network.. which is the fastest and most reliable and has by FAR the best coverage. You get to run a nexus on it, but you have to play by their rules, and that means waiting longer while they approve updates.
And its really no use getting in a huff about other VZW phones getting JB before you, because they haven't. Honestly why waste energy debating, arguing, and being generally upset about a thing which has not even occurred?
THIS. This is important. This is the smartest comment I've read in this thread. The Nexus is a device for application developers. Period. Yes it's become a keystone phone for the root/rom/development community and the people who love that stuff like me.. and its become more consumerized than the original plan for Nexii was, because more and more people caught on and carriers started carrying them. But at the end of the day it is a phone designed to be unlocked and used by application developers. That is its primary purpose.
On another point.. I've stated this in earlier OTA threads when 4.0.4 was being waited for and I will say it again: Verizon got to be the biggest, best carrier here for many reasons, and thorough and slow testing of software updates is one of their policies which, like it or not, is part of their business. Waiting longer than most others for OTA's, yes even on your nexus, is part of the price you pay for even getting to run a nexus on Verizon's network.. which is the fastest and most reliable and has by FAR the best coverage. You get to run a nexus on it, but you have to play by their rules, and that means waiting longer while they approve updates.
And its really no use getting in a huff about other VZW phones getting JB before you, because they haven't. Honestly why waste energy debating, arguing, and being generally upset about a thing which has not even occurred?
Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
1 & 2. I chose my words very carefully, and as I said, its a reference phone that, for obvious reasons, has become a keystone phone of the rooting/ROM development community.. but I agree and tried to make clear that I understand that is not the point of it. Google could really care less about ROM developers and that community (partial exaggeration to make the point).. but yes the nexus line is for app developers, front and center. Also note that nowhere in my post did I mention or pressure anyone into rooting/unlocking/anything like that to update their phones.. just stated the point of the Nexus line and why updates take longer on Verizon.
3. The original plan for the Nexus line was for it to be for application developers and maybe some consumers who were hardcore about tweakability or just having vanilla android and updates straight from Google. That's why the Nexus One was only sold through Google without carrier subsidizing. As people caught on and demand grew, Google realized that allowing carriers to subsidize it might not be such a terrible thing (in truth, it was probably the Nexus S manufacturer [samsung] who had as much to say about that -- Samsung wanted to sell more phones, and could easily have pushed their point across to their good friends, Google). So carriers were offered the opportunity to carry the Nexus line. This was a smaller deal for the Nexus S than the Galaxy Nexus for obvious reasons: Gingerbread was a relatively modest leap over froyo; while ICS was a monumental leap over Gingerbread. Back last summer when we all heard that Verizon was showing interest in the next Nexus and we all knew it would ship with ICS, we all watched with curiosity and some hopefulness, but the real explosion of excitement and momentum (along with floods of calls and emails to Verizon to convince them of the demand for the device) was when ICS was revealed to us in October (if I remember right) and we all had to have it right away. Consumer demand makes companies supply.. in general at least.
Now fast-forward a bit and yes the Nexus image is changed a bit from the original plan. Google has realized that Nexus itself is a good brand name and that the devices it designates as Nexus' ought to hold more and more consumer appeal, as well as sticking to the primary goal of providing a platform for application developers. But that remains, at least for now, the primary goal of the line.
1 & 2. I chose my words very carefully, and as I said, its a reference phone that, for obvious reasons, has become a keystone phone of the rooting/ROM development community.. but I agree and tried to make clear that I understand that is not the point of it. Google could really care less about ROM developers and that community (partial exaggeration to make the point).. but yes the nexus line is for app developers, front and center. Also note that nowhere in my post did I mention or pressure anyone into rooting/unlocking/anything like that to update their phones.. just stated the point of the Nexus line and why updates take longer on Verizon.
3. The original plan for the Nexus line was for it to be for application developers and maybe some consumers who were hardcore about tweakability or just having vanilla android and updates straight from Google. That's why the Nexus One was only sold through Google without carrier subsidizing. As people caught on and demand grew, Google realized that allowing carriers to subsidize it might not be such a terrible thing (in truth, it was probably the Nexus S manufacturer [samsung] who had as much to say about that -- Samsung wanted to sell more phones, and could easily have pushed their point across to their good friends, Google). So carriers were offered the opportunity to carry the Nexus line. This was a smaller deal for the Nexus S than the Galaxy Nexus for obvious reasons: Gingerbread was a relatively modest leap over froyo; while ICS was a monumental leap over Gingerbread. Back last summer when we all heard that Verizon was showing interest in the next Nexus and we all knew it would ship with ICS, we all watched with curiosity and some hopefulness, but the real explosion of excitement and momentum (along with floods of calls and emails to Verizon to convince them of the demand for the device) was when ICS was revealed to us in October (if I remember right) and we all had to have it right away. Consumer demand makes companies supply.. in general at least.
Now fast-forward a bit and yes the Nexus image is changed a bit from the original plan. Google has realized that Nexus itself is a good brand name and that the devices it designates as Nexus' ought to hold more and more consumer appeal, as well as sticking to the primary goal of providing a platform for application developers. But that remains, at least for now, the primary goal of the line.
Exactly, it's for application developers first and foremost. Applications. As in, Google Play. As in, not ROMs.
I refuse to following ROMing as I must unlock my bootloader. Doing so wipes my phone and all my application data. Backup apps require root. Root requires an unlocked bootloader. Do you see what I'm getting at here?
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I refuse to following ROMing as I must unlock my bootloader. Doing so wipes my phone and all my application data. Backup apps require root. Root requires an unlocked bootloader. Do you see what I'm getting at here?
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Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
Yes. So don't do it. Nobody is forcing you, and unlocking to update things yourself wasn't a single one of the points I was stating. All I was doing was discussing
1. Why updates take longer on Verizon.
and
2. What the point of the Nexus line is, which is for application developers. I stated very clearly that ROM development is not the point, its just a nice freebie that us ROM enthusiasts get to enjoy.
Yes. So don't do it. Nobody is forcing you, and unlocking to update things yourself wasn't a single one of the points I was stating. All I was doing was discussing
1. Why updates take longer on Verizon.
and
2. What the point of the Nexus line is, which is for application developers. I stated very clearly that ROM development is not the point, its just a nice freebie that us ROM enthusiasts get to enjoy.
Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
Not that I can think of, its just common knowledge based on information and statements directly from Google. I don't care to look up the information on this but I'm sure you can find some. Regardless, its the 100% truth.
Not that I can think of, its just common knowledge based on information and statements directly from Google. I don't care to look up the information on this but I'm sure you can find some. Regardless, its the 100% truth.
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Why do you say that? When JB rolled out the announcement said it would start with the GSM Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 7 followed shortly by other Nexus devices...
Other Nexus devices includes the VZW GN. So in reality, the announcement that the VZW GN was going to be getting JB happened well before they announced that the S3 would get it.
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Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
Not to beat a dead horse, as I think others have explained this point very well in this thread, but your dictionary definition of the nexus does not apply to the Google Nexus line. If you care to search you can find this reiterated by Google executives. I just know this is on Wiki (w/ references).
"The purpose of the Nexus phones is to offer a "pure Android" experience,[1] in which the phones come free of carrier or manufacturer modifications and with an unlockable bootloader[2] to allow for further development and end-user modification.[3] Nexus phones are considered the "flagship" Android devices."
Further development = Application development
End-user modification = custom roms/themes/kernels etc.
As been said, nobody's remotely trying to force you or anyone else to do anything, but once you see how great the custom experience is on a Nexus it's hard not to try to help others experience it as well. Really took my device from a great device to a WOW device. So far 3 coworkers have unlocked/rooted their Nexus immediately after playing with my phone (2 of them being mid 40s traders and against "evil" rooting). It's only getting better with JB. Also, there's ways to ease the burden of wiping. A lot. Just ask here
That said, going forward I'll unlock/root immediately after purchasing. As smallchild said, it's a complete bummer if it's out of the question due to work. Otherwise, see if you can find somebody near you that you could check out their phone. Or you can just wait for the OTA. You'll get it sooner or later and almost certainly before non Nexii phones.
Google Nexus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not to beat a dead horse, as I think others have explained this point very well in this thread, but your dictionary definition of the nexus does not apply to the Google Nexus line. If you care to search you can find this reiterated by Google executives. I just know this is on Wiki (w/ references).
"The purpose of the Nexus phones is to offer a "pure Android" experience,[1] in which the phones come free of carrier or manufacturer modifications and with an unlockable bootloader[2] to allow for further development and end-user modification.[3] Nexus phones are considered the "flagship" Android devices."
Further development = Application development
End-user modification = custom roms/themes/kernels etc.
As been said, nobody's remotely trying to force you or anyone else to do anything, but once you see how great the custom experience is on a Nexus it's hard not to try to help others experience it as well. Really took my device from a great device to a WOW device. So far 3 coworkers have unlocked/rooted their Nexus immediately after playing with my phone (2 of them being mid 40s traders and against "evil" rooting). It's only getting better with JB. Also, there's ways to ease the burden of wiping. A lot. Just ask here
That said, going forward I'll unlock/root immediately after purchasing. As smallchild said, it's a complete bummer if it's out of the question due to work. Otherwise, see if you can find somebody near you that you could check out their phone. Or you can just wait for the OTA. You'll get it sooner or later and almost certainly before non Nexii phones.Google Nexus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Nexus S got JB. The Xoom Wifi is in Soak testing for JB. And the only update being tested on the VZW GNex is one for ICS. Still no word from Verizon on our JB update yet.
I do believe Google was referring to the Nexus S when they said other Nexus devices would get it "shortly."
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Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
Sounds shady to me too
Don't worry though, I'll just give you my Paypal to donate to...and it's ONE 'merican dollar. $1.
Sounds shady to me too
Don't worry though, I'll just give you my Paypal to donate to...and it's ONE 'merican dollar. $1.
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When has Verizon ever given official advanced warning that they're testing a new update?
Yeah, didn't think so...
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Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
I'm a student in Software Engineering which deals in the principles of software development and testing. Verizon is still testing an update, which leaves two possibilities for what the testing team is currently doing:
1) testing both IMM76Q and Jelly Bean at the same time (irresponsible, because if something changes in the bottom update, the top update has to retest as well, which adds time and overhead to the testing phase without any real benefit [the only way this would be beneficial is if IMM76Q is completely bug-proof, which is virtually impossible])
or
2) testing one, releasing, and then beginning the work on the next.
We know this (IMM76Q) update exists because it's already been leaked and there's a link to it on XDA pointing to Google's servers. And we know what is does because the lads at XDA have already peeked inside and taken a look at what the update changes.
It's likely the JB is ready for testing, but it would go against common sense to start testing it before this update is released.
So yes, IMM76Q does in fact add to the wait time before you can get your hands on any official JB OTA, so any scorn given for this update that does nothing except for the nerfing of search, is perfectly justified.
I'm a student in Software Engineering which deals in the principles of software development and testing. Verizon is still testing an update, which leaves two possibilities for what the testing team is currently doing:
1) testing both IMM76Q and Jelly Bean at the same time (irresponsible, because if something changes in the bottom update, the top update has to retest as well, which adds time and overhead to the testing phase without any real benefit [the only way this would be beneficial is if IMM76Q is completely bug-proof, which is virtually impossible])
or
2) testing one, releasing, and then beginning the work on the next.
We know this (IMM76Q) update exists because it's already been leaked and there's a link to it on XDA pointing to Google's servers. And we know what is does because the lads at XDA have already peeked inside and taken a look at what the update changes.
It's likely the JB is ready for testing, but it would go against common sense to start testing it before this update is released.
So yes, IMM76Q does in fact add to the wait time before you can get your hands on any official JB OTA, so any scorn given for this update that does nothing except for the nerfing of search, is perfectly justified.
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Except we know that all the latest ics update does is remove universal search, something that JB does as well. It would not touch any of the rest of the system so there would be no issue with overlapping testing.
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Re: How will you feel if VZW Galaxy S3 & HTC get Jelly Bean first
As someone who works in software testing, I can tell you overlap testing happens all the time...specifically with interim patches. You don't simply halt major testing on a big release when you have to ready a patch that "fixes" one particular area of the software. Nor do you have to re-test the entire application if the interim build only affects a specific portion of the software. That would be unrealistic in terms of time and it would also be an inefficient use of resources.
Once the interim patch has been tested and deployed into production, it's then merged and integrated into the next major release being tested. Re-testing is performed only for the affected area that was patched. Later regression testing will hopefully catch any other anomalies that pop up as an effect of an interim build that was not caught during initial testing (before it was deployed to a production build).
Of course it all depends on how extensive the change is AND not every company's test process is the same as others.
As someone who works in software testing, I can tell you overlap testing happens all the time...specifically with interim patches. You don't simply halt major testing on a big release when you have to ready a patch that "fixes" one particular area of the software. Nor do you have to re-test the entire application if the interim build only affects a specific portion of the software. That would be unrealistic in terms of time and it would also be an inefficient use of resources.
Once the interim patch has been tested and deployed into production, it's then merged and integrated into the next major release being tested. Re-testing is performed only for the affected area that was patched. Later regression testing will hopefully catch any other anomalies that pop up as an effect of an interim build that was not caught during initial testing (before it was deployed to a production build).
Of course it all depends on how extensive the change is AND not every company's test process is the same as others.
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