Look at Samsungs commercials and tell me what they are showing off. Features. Features that to the average consumer look amazing. It's not some big marketing trick or anything, it's not magic, it's that they have stuff to show off. That, along with money is why HTC can't beat them and that is why as a person who lives in the world's largest market, I have never even seen this phone in person, much less put it in my hand.
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Look at Samsungs commercials and tell me what they are showing off. Features. Features that to the average consumer look amazing. It's not some big marketing trick or anything, it's not magic, it's that they have stuff to show off. That, along with money is why HTC can't beat them and that is why as a person who lives in the world's largest market, I have never even seen this phone in person, much less put it in my hand.
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The iPhone outsells nearly every individual mobile phone on the market, but yet lacks many "features". I've seen more people with an iPhone than I've seen with any other device. Your fallacy is invalid.
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"Premium additions"? How much is Samsung paying you? Could you be any more vague? Sense is 10x cleaner, more fluid and refined than touchwiz, and looks to be improved with Sense 6. But you don't like THOSE "software improvements" so they don't count. You're only using your argument when it suits you, and it's painfully obvious.
If you don't like it, fine. But again, you're saying that nobody should, and not offering great reasons as to why you don't like these features that you've never tried. You're also completely ignoring the major faults with Samsung's "features". Download speed booster and the new power saving options are questionable at this point. How well will they work? Will they actually be usable? We won't know till the phone comes out. Multi-screen is fairly useless given the very limited number of apps it supports. HTC offers plenty. Better speakers, a much cleaner and more fluid OS, much better build materials and design, among other things. HTCs software features, such as Blinkfeed, actually work as advertised and serve function, more than can be said for most all of the "features" in the GS4.
So any feature you deem useful matters, but any feature you don't like isn't useful to anybody, and thus doesn't matter to you or the public? Again listen to yourself. I've actually owned the GS4 and One, and compared them for a month - more than you, most other people and most all reviewers can say. You judge all of HTCs features without actually ever having used them, and dismiss them on nonsensical claims. Again, you're just saying that because you don't like them nobody will. But we can judge these features with a little bit of objectivity - in terms of how many situations they can be used, their actual function, and other things. Samsung falls way, way short in that department (in terms of last year's stable of features) and the newer ones remain to be validated.
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You have no real rebuttal to that argument. It's directly contradictory to what you're proclaiming. Yet everytime this is brought up you brush it aside. I brought it up earlier and you ignored it.
Not saying it has no features. It has a set stable of features that work very well. Samsung just flooded the market with advertisements and wound up where they are, all while making good phones that are comparable (not heads and shoulders above) to the competition. It's obvious that alot of their changes (and other manufacturers) are reactionary to Apple. The combo of a gold option, flattened color scheme and fingerprint scanner (swiping, inferior to apple's implementation from what I have read about the tech) is proof positive of this. Far beyond any coincidence.
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Really? The fingerprint scanner was out long before the iPhone. iOS is available on the iPod touch lineup, iPad, and iPhone. With the exception of being able to initiate phone calls and cellular connections, there is very little to distinguish the user experience across the Apple mobile device lineup.
So I'm not understanding your "exclusive" statement. If anything, I'd be inclined to believe that the Apple branding itself is what drives the sales and popularity of their devices.
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The HTC One offers useful features. For those who like watching videos, movies, etc a lot on their phones would love the One, because of Boomsound and the LCD 1080p screen. Samsung offers a 1080p screen as well, but to me LCD looks better than Amoled at the resolution. I think the opposite at 720p.
The camera features on the HTC One aren't much different than the S4's. Does the S4 take better pictures? Yeah, but the average consumer wouldn't notice. Plus the One has "Zoe", which was a pretty cool camera feature. Is it a deal breaker to someone like me? Nope.
The biggest problems I had out of the S4 was that it lagged noticeably when I scrolled on Chrome and my social media apps. If I'm not mistaken, that was the biggest complaint about that phone. Which is ridiculous with the technology these phones have in them nowadays. Also, the TouchWiz features are cool looking to the average consumer in the commercials, but when you get ahold of the phone yourself, you quickly realize that these features don't work quite as easily as you would've thought.
I agree, I haven't seen the HTC One in the wild very often. It's mostly iPhones or Galaxy devices. That is mostly HTC, Motorola, LG, and Sony's fault. They got behind the game when Apple released the first true smartphone and when Samsung come out with the S2. Since then everyone is playing catch up in marketing. I do think these other companies have caught Samsung and Apple in overall performance of their devices.
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Prior to the s5, and the max, what other touch screen phone on the market at the time offered a finger print scanner as a security feature?
What other phone has ios? How many other phones comes stock with a cross device (tablet and phone) messaging app?
People watch movies on their phones? I have yet to see anyone walk around blasting music out of their phones and you are speaking of it as a device to watch movies on?
I don't really talk about camera features, for one, I need use mine unless as a mirror. And two, half of those features are rarely used, especially in today's age of selfie and food pics
I apologize for not responding to everyone, some of you guys are tldr, the rest i just can't keep up with everyone at the same time, so don't think I'm ignoring, I'll just get to it when I have more time
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TL;DR ALERT
1. Megapixels means that you can crop into an image, and the camera captures more details. Increasing Megapixels is only useless when the sensor characteristics do not change to match. The S4's Sensor was better than the S3's. It took in more light. It was faster. The CPU is stronger. Samsung used a custom ISP from Fujitsu in the S4/Note 3 camera systems. It is not as if they simply took the S3's camera and bumped it up to 8MP without any other modifications.
2. Ultrapixels: Practically Useless in Good-Moderate lighting (output from flagships with smaller pixels, like the iPhones, GS4/5, Note 3, G2, etc. are proof of this). A lot of the benefits of the UltraPixels are completely destroyed by the image resolution since you are getting a brighter image, but the detail is left wanting - VERY wanting. If those were 8MP cameras, they would have solved the issue HTC was trying to Solve, which was offering detailed images with less noise and more light in darker environments. All they did with the One was offer a brighter image, but there is still a fair bit of noise and they gave up a TON of image detail with the resolution. The Pixel sizes are great. The image resolution was a massive fail. With those other phones you can take a darker picture, adjust it in an Image Editing program, even resize it to mask noise and print it. In many cases, the output will be superior to what you get out of the One due to the greater detail in the images. Additionally, their processing algorithms are quite aggressive, and they have a history of compressing images more aggressively than other OEMs do (which is why Samsung phones tended to throw out noticeably larger photos than HTC phones of same camera resolution - upwards of 1MB larger... in size, even).
3. 4K Video: One Frame of a 4K video is ~8MP. They are more detailed than the full images out of HTC's camera and the Note 3 does 4K quite well. Why should I deal with camera settings and trying to get the picture exactly right at that moment, when I can simply shoot 4 seconds of 4K video and Crop a more detailed image out of the video that I'd get snapping with the One's camera. This works 95% of the time, unless you're unlucky and the specific frame you want is a blur (which is only a huge factor for something like Sports, but for that you'd likely shoot 60 FPS 1080p (Smooth HD) anyways).
4K is the future. We like to be future proof. Also, 4K video processed (downsized in editing) to 1080p blows away any 1080p native video from a smartphone. It isn't even a contest.
4. Depth of Field Adjustments: Samsung has already displayed this on their Single ISOCELL Camera System, which is more innovative than HTC's UltraPixel system (which is nothing more than a Low Resolution Sensor with Low Image Resolution AFAICT). HTC does have OIS which matters more to some people than others, but is still an advantage over Samsung in their camera system.
5. There is some 3D stuff they say they can do with the second camera. Not sure how useful that would be on a day to day basis (real-world usage & benefit).
At this point in the progression of Imaging and Video on smartphones, the need for "UltraPixels" is so niche and situational that it's hardly a selling point. I cannot for the life of me figure out why HTC went from the HTC One X which took decent low light image and fantastically detailed image in normal to great lighting to this UltraPixel camera system, which spits out images that pale in comparison to other smartphones using higher resolution cameras. In the day and age where people can order prints from Walgreens, Wal-Mart, or CVS right from their smartphone. In a day where Smartphones are taking video that allows you to crop images on par with 8MP cameras from the video. It just doesn't make any sense.
I also have issues with HTC using 16:9 aspect ratio in their camera, since not all images look great in that ratio and if you need 4:3 it means the image resolution suffers further.
That being said, people who want higher resolution cameras are not who HTC is targeting with these phones. They've stated that they think most people view images on the phone and on smaller screens, and at those resolutions their image output looks "fine," which is actually true. The images look fine until you put it up on a 22" monitor and start cropping parts out of them, or printing them, in which case they aren't even competitive with most other flagships on the market these days. Those images look like they come from a Mid-Range phone at 1:1 size.
1. Megapixels means that you can crop into an image, and the camera captures more details. Increasing Megapixels is only useless when the sensor characteristics do not change to match. The S4's Sensor was better than the S3's. It took in more light. It was faster. The CPU is stronger. Samsung used a custom ISP from Fujitsu in the S4/Note 3 camera systems. It is not as if they simply took the S3's camera and bumped it up to 8MP without any other modifications.
2. Ultrapixels: Practically Useless in Good-Moderate lighting (output from flagships with smaller pixels, like the iPhones, GS4/5, Note 3, G2, etc. are proof of this). A lot of the benefits of the UltraPixels are completely destroyed by the image resolution since you are getting a brighter image, but the detail is left wanting - VERY wanting. If those were 8MP cameras, they would have solved the issue HTC was trying to Solve, which was offering detailed images with less noise and more light in darker environments. All they did with the One was offer a brighter image, but there is still a fair bit of noise and they gave up a TON of image detail with the resolution. The Pixel sizes are great. The image resolution was a massive fail. With those other phones you can take a darker picture, adjust it in an Image Editing program, even resize it to mask noise and print it. In many cases, the output will be superior to what you get out of the One due to the greater detail in the images. Additionally, their processing algorithms are quite aggressive, and they have a history of compressing images more aggressively than other OEMs do (which is why Samsung phones tended to throw out noticeably larger photos than HTC phones of same camera resolution - upwards of 1MB larger... in size, even).
3. 4K Video: One Frame of a 4K video is ~8MP. They are more detailed than the full images out of HTC's camera and the Note 3 does 4K quite well. Why should I deal with camera settings and trying to get the picture exactly right at that moment, when I can simply shoot 4 seconds of 4K video and Crop a more detailed image out of the video that I'd get snapping with the One's camera. This works 95% of the time, unless you're unlucky and the specific frame you want is a blur (which is only a huge factor for something like Sports, but for that you'd likely shoot 60 FPS 1080p (Smooth HD) anyways).
4K is the future. We like to be future proof. Also, 4K video processed (downsized in editing) to 1080p blows away any 1080p native video from a smartphone. It isn't even a contest.
4. Depth of Field Adjustments: Samsung has already displayed this on their Single ISOCELL Camera System, which is more innovative than HTC's UltraPixel system (which is nothing more than a Low Resolution Sensor with Low Image Resolution AFAICT). HTC does have OIS which matters more to some people than others, but is still an advantage over Samsung in their camera system.
5. There is some 3D stuff they say they can do with the second camera. Not sure how useful that would be on a day to day basis (real-world usage & benefit).
At this point in the progression of Imaging and Video on smartphones, the need for "UltraPixels" is so niche and situational that it's hardly a selling point. I cannot for the life of me figure out why HTC went from the HTC One X which took decent low light image and fantastically detailed image in normal to great lighting to this UltraPixel camera system, which spits out images that pale in comparison to other smartphones using higher resolution cameras. In the day and age where people can order prints from Walgreens, Wal-Mart, or CVS right from their smartphone. In a day where Smartphones are taking video that allows you to crop images on par with 8MP cameras from the video. It just doesn't make any sense.
I also have issues with HTC using 16:9 aspect ratio in their camera, since not all images look great in that ratio and if you need 4:3 it means the image resolution suffers further.
That being said, people who want higher resolution cameras are not who HTC is targeting with these phones. They've stated that they think most people view images on the phone and on smaller screens, and at those resolutions their image output looks "fine," which is actually true. The images look fine until you put it up on a 22" monitor and start cropping parts out of them, or printing them, in which case they aren't even competitive with most other flagships on the market these days. Those images look like they come from a Mid-Range phone at 1:1 size.
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One shocker. It says "take a picture on the primary rear camera then show the variable focus and show them the Duo camera on the back"
This literally means the gimmick blaster will be taking at least two pictures at two different focal points. Either one after the other or with separate lenses. Then either you pick the depth that looks better or it uses image processing to blend between them. Intensive and somewhat silly sounding.
I sure hope the dual front speakers are worth all their marketspeak, but I still prefer high quality stereo bluetooth over phone speakers. Would much rather prefer an 8-10 inch android tablet with landscape layout front stereo over a 5 inch phone wasting space on this...
I was actually pleased with the absurd looking G Flex in a store recently, my hands are big enough and it weighed less than I expected. You have to carry it differently but it fits the face well. I was almost tricked by the apparent clarity of the starfield on the home screen but it's probably more an average display at this point.
Unless the S5 is truly special I'll probably get just a Mega or Mini because they're very similar to my 7.0 LTE that's great (except for garbage cameras).
This literally means the gimmick blaster will be taking at least two pictures at two different focal points. Either one after the other or with separate lenses. Then either you pick the depth that looks better or it uses image processing to blend between them. Intensive and somewhat silly sounding.
I sure hope the dual front speakers are worth all their marketspeak, but I still prefer high quality stereo bluetooth over phone speakers. Would much rather prefer an 8-10 inch android tablet with landscape layout front stereo over a 5 inch phone wasting space on this...
I was actually pleased with the absurd looking G Flex in a store recently, my hands are big enough and it weighed less than I expected. You have to carry it differently but it fits the face well. I was almost tricked by the apparent clarity of the starfield on the home screen but it's probably more an average display at this point.
Unless the S5 is truly special I'll probably get just a Mega or Mini because they're very similar to my 7.0 LTE that's great (except for garbage cameras).
Sensor quality and image processing quality matters as much as raw rez. There is a reason why 8MPx DSLR or mirrorless pro take so much better pictures than 14MPx cheapos with tiny sensors. And ten times better indoor photos with less blur and noise. The Note 3 has a big and well engineered camera system. The new M8 is primarily focused on indoor picture quality and at least Facebook grade rez. Another social phone. With Duo, variable focus, OIS and big pixels it will ensure photos from the next drinking party are embarrassing for everyone involved. For many reasons the device as a whole does not appeal to me but I can respect building an easy-mode camera with giant training wheels.
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My opinion on the upcoming HTC One2 camera is based on last years camera and the fact that I found the "ultra pixel" camera to be lacking. It was a solid phone and certainly should have sold much better than it did, I mean no one else is rushing to make an aluminum phone in the Android market. However HTC continues to falter in design, engineering, marketing and support. If they follow through on their commitment to updates (in the US) as promised and continue to push their engineering then they could pick up sales. I have my accessories on order for the GS5 but I will actually be looking at the HTC One2 M8 (ulta pixel blender) to see who it compares. If the announcement is 3-25 and they actually release it ahead of Samsung then it makes my job easier for comparing, if they launch late in April then it will be too late for me since I can't afford to rid it much longer than the month I have left to wait for the GS5.
I should also add that I am one sarcastic SOB, most of the time.
I should also add that I am one sarcastic SOB, most of the time.
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TouchWiz is also 10x more capable than Sense 5.5, so it depends on what you value.
Your opinion that Sense is better than TW in any way is as valid as his opinion that TW is better than Sense in any way.
I have never heard of the Note 3 being a bad performer, and I doubt the S5 would be any worse even with 1GB less RAM.
How well the Power Saving Mode works is not worth discussing because this is a feature the S5 has that the One does not.
However, it is bound to work well if you have any clue of how it accomplishes what it accomplishes. I'm not sure how that is anything worth questioning...
The only thing about the S5 that needs a thorough review is the camera, at this point, but even if that is just a marginal improvement over the S4/Note 3 it would be good enough to keep it ahead of HTC's flagship in that department - if the images from the One/S4/Note 3 are any indication.
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As a common courtesy, they're using headphones if trying to watch out in public.
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I'm well aware of that and alluded to much of that in my post in point 1.
A lot of people call the megapixel myth a myth because in the past OEMs have been known for using almost identical sensors and simply pumping up the MP of the images, which resulted in terrible images. HTC was actually at the forefront of this. They were first to 8MP with the Evo 4G, IIRC. They were also first to 16MP with the Titan 2 Windows Phone. It's interesting that they've pulled a complete 180 once other OEMs caught up and started surpassing their devices in image quality.
In any case , with the advances companies are making in optics from generation of device to generation I find it disingenuous to constantly refer to this "megapixel myth" as a reason for excusing HTC's use of the specific optics they use in their phones. HTC has given their reason. The MP myth talk is nothing but FUD. That's fine, because not everyone *wants* a *great cameraphone*.
Has HTC ever given the specs of its ImageChip system used in their phones?
I expect the S5 to pump out better and more detailed images if it is at least on par with the Note 3, or marginally better. I expect HTC's camera system to be as fast as ever, though.
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