HTC profits smacked due to delay

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

What are you talking about? I read a article online at the beginning of the year that showed htc actually it's the leader when it comes to getting updates.. Do people try to just bash everything that they themselves don't like..a positive phone that it's the best thing we've seen since the first nexus from HTC and they get bashed for not updating ? Why not ask someone with Verizon about getting phones and or updates for phones.

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They are. But only Verizon and AT&T matter. Nothing else fits the theory of people who want to hate what they didn't buy.

 

[BigDinCA]

Every time I see the thread list and see Jerry's name in bright red I get excited: someone's getting in trouble or someone is getting served. And for what it's worth, I made the same point except I figured out how to make it 2 full paragraphs.

 

[JHBThree]

The chip shortage was entirely predictable, and entirely in HTC's control. 100%. Did they fail to think through the consequences of being a second-tier OEM? Apparently. Did they utterly bollocks up communication with their chip suppliers? Seems like it. Did they fail to think through using a new kind of sensor? Appears so.

No. The supplier couldn't build them fast enough. HTC has another supplier, Omnivision, that is producing the camera sensor for them as well. They had a secondary supplier for it, just as they would need if an issue cropped up.

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[JHBThree]

I'd say it's important even to the average Joes. Usually people buy products, more namely smartphones, with the assumption that they'll be supported through updates and can be fixed if they get broken. If HTC goes out of business and no one offers to buy them out who's going to support the One then? Don't even think of trying to get it fixed if you break it, they only company that had any clue on how to possibly fix it is now out of business. And I'd say the standing with the suppliers is very significant as well, it's the reason you don't have your phone right now.

You overestimate how much the average person pays attention to something like this.

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[JHBThree]

I'm sure the fine folks over at HTC have a more general sense of business than I do, but no one at HTC ever foresaw anything like this ever potentially happening? HTC has been bleeding for a while now and no one ever thought of doing anything different? How do you even stand to lose $361 million in just one year, like how do you let that happen? That isn't just something that happens without you eventually getting a sense of "OK, maybe we aren't doing something right". I know the main reason has to do with HTC phones not selling, but once they have the plans drawn up does HTC just absolutely have to continue production on them? Idk, I'm just talking now. But my eyes got big when I read that deficit.

Idk, but it's going to take multiple HTC One-like phones to fix this, this phone isn't going to be enough. But hopefully it buys them enough time to make another. In the event it doesn't, couldn't someone buy them out and merge? Sort of like Google/Motorola? Maybe the phones would still receive support that way, but that isn't necessarily a guarantee.

Jesus. Get your **** together, HTC.

What on earth are you talking about? HTC has not posted a loss. The only thing that's been happening is that their profit has been shrinking.

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[JHBThree]

It might be since it's already shipping with an outdated version of Android and probably won't get upgraded to Key Lime Pie as quickly as it's chief competitor.

If you care about having the latest software, buy an iPhone. Otherwise that shouldn't play any role whatsoever in the decision to buy an android phone.

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[JHBThree]

No I mean I get it, I just don't see what that has to do with this and is pretty miniscule when taking into consideration of that situation. Even if they did go to war, no one would to stop buying Samsung phones because of it. I don't think anything will come of all this. But if something did at least it wasn't something Samsung could control, nuking them would be about the only way they'd stop making money. But If not just one person, I'm sure someone at HTC at some point in time saw things were south quickly. Yet they still put out 13 phones just last year alone, the J Butterfly/DNA and One X being the only two I'm sure that put some kind of profit in their pockets. And both were carrier exclusives.

No one is saying that people would stop buying samsung. What he's saying, which is absolutely true, is that a war on the Korean peninsula would have far reaching effects on the availability of samsung products. Being in a war zone would do that, and I can guarantee you it would delay any forthcoming samsung products from release.

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[So Cold]

If you care about having the latest software, buy an iPhone. Otherwise that shouldn't play any role whatsoever in the decision to buy an android phone.

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Your not allowed to want android updates? Since when?

And usually you see this post with nexus in place of iPhone.

And not to beat a dead horse (because that's what this thread is turning into) but barring any major catastrophe the one will get all the android updates anyone should ever expect for as long as they'll have the phone.

If anybody should be worried about updates it should be people with older htc phones now that the one is out.

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[Topgonzo]

Get a nexus phone if you are worried about the latest software updates available..

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[madlaw1071]

I suppose part of that is my opinion. Though I think my opinion has more truth than your facts. I can't recall HTC having a poor track record with updates. My OG EVO had lots of updates to it, so did my 3D (which is more impressive because the camera was not easy to get working with Android updates based on all the articles I read). And I have had my EVO LTE since last summer and received several updates from HTC. Timely? Well I guess that depends on your definition of timely. I didn't expect JB to hit my device a week after it was announced, but I did see HTC release it to the OneX just after Sammy released it to the GS3. Since my phone is just the Sprint version of the OneX I knew it was coming. Not every HTC got it at the same time, just like lots of GS3s that were waiting for their JB months after Samsung released it. I got my JB before any Verizon GS3 owners. And anybody on AT&T who didn't load it up through Kies and waited for the OTA in January? Waaaay before them. But I wouldn't say HTC pushes out updates faster than Samsung. It's well established that once an update is available, the biggest hurdle to getting it on your device is your carrier.

And the second-tier status? That was an article in the WSJ that every other site ran with. If you Google it I'm sure it seems that a thousand tech sites were saying the same thing, except they were all referring to the same article. Is it true? I'm not sure, though I can see it being an issue, certainly, when a company is cutting their orders drastically. That doesn't mean they can't get parts from suppliers. That isn't how the manufacturing industry works. I know. I'm in it. I don't think too much of the financials right now, either. Slice it however you want to, they still make a profit. And the One hasn't even really moved yet. I'm more interested to see 2nd and 3rd quarter results than 1st quarter results without sales of this device in it.

Now you are correct that they are behind a bit on the version number of Android, though it isn't just one. They are running JB 4.1.2 on it and the GS4 is running 4.2.2 and that's a total of 3 updates. But honestly, the average person hears that the One and the GS4 are both running JB. Do they know that there have been small updates to JB that the One hasn't gotten? Nope. And if they looked to see what those little updates were, what would they find? Anything substantial? If you have a Nexus then yes. Otherwise, not so much. Look at it for yourself. And I have no dount that the One will receive KLP right around the same time the GS4 gets it. They proved it with the OneX and JB last year and this year they only have one major new device to worry about updating.

It's also this tech writer's opinion but he will buy the One anyways.

I want HTC's One, but Google I/O 2013 has me worried | PhoneDog

 

[BigDinCA]

It's also this tech writer's opinion but he will buy the One anyways.

I want HTC's One, but Google I/O 2013 has me worried | PhoneDog

Correct - but his opinion, much like yours, isn't really based in facts. He's entitled to it and the worries it seems to be bringing him. But reading the article I realize that he wants to sound knowledgeable but doesn't. How would the One be 2 versions behind when KLP is debuted? It's running JB right now, correct? That would put it one version behind. OH!!! You mean it isn't running the latest updates to JB? Well that's like saying that not having the latest Service Pack for Windows means I'm a version behind. It's not correct, but let's pretend it is for the sake of this conversation: the HTC One is already 3 versions behind. Shipping with 4.1.2 means it still doesn't have 4.2, 4.2.1 or 4.2.2. That means the first iteration of KLP will put the One FOUR whole versions behind. Never mind that once KLP is released nobody will be running it, making everyone at least one "version" behind for a period of time. He writes as if a month after he gets his One Google announces KLP and within seconds it gets zapped onto everyone's phone but his.

It seems his bigger concern, like yours, is "that HTC won?t be able to get me Key Lime Pie on the One, before they release a successor to their flagship device. And if, in true follow-up fashion, it?s even more desirable than the original One, I?ll want to buy that one, too. But, it probably won?t be running Android Key Lime Pie, either." I fail to understand this thought process because I am trying to remember the last time HTC didn't update their flagship device. Maybe it's because he's on AT&T. The OneX didn't get JB until January over there. That's probably it. Except that was all on his carrier and not HTC because, broken record here, carriers are an impediment to the update process, especially AT&T and Verizon. HTC released it to OneX variants all over the world last fall. But even if that's what you are going off of it still disproves a point - they updated their 2012 flagships to the current version before they launched the 2013 devices.

Moreover, they are releasing the current devices with the current version of Android. Is it up to the 4.2.2 updates? Nope. Does it matter? I don't think so. I've asked a dozen times in these forums and on the site comments, after my own research, about the extra benefits of these updates to JB. There don't really appear to be any. We don't get PhotoSphere (nobody does except the Nexus folks). There are some minor bug fixes and performance enhancements, whatever that really means. There are some bug fixes in the 4.2.1 update that were actually caused by the 4.2 update (that's right - not every update is always for the better). BT audio streaming is supposed to be improved, though lots of people (myself included) don't have a problem with it and some that do say the update improved things but didn't fix them entirely. Some of the updates include features that are already present in Sense or TouchWiz, or in Google apps that get updated in the Play Store. Guess what? I don't need a new notification sound for wireless charging (4.2.2) since I can't do it. I can see the current % of my downloads in my notifications. I don't care if it shows me an estimated time remaining (4.2.2), because those haven't been accurate since Windows 3.5.

The guy who says "Even Samsung's Galaxy S 4 will suffer this fate, if speculated release dates fall into place." doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to Android. It's obvious. Does he think that if HTC or Sammy put off the release of their devices until the week after Google I/O they can release their devices with KLP? Does he not realize what the product cycles have been for Android phones relative to major software updates? I don't think so, because he's an iPhone guy! He probably had the same thoughts last year, when everything released with ICS and then OMG! WHO KNOWS IF ANY OF THESE DEVICES WILL EVER SEE JB SINCE THEY JUST RELEASED THEM WITH ICS! OH, THE HUMANITY...

If you want to hitch your wagon to that horse, have at it.

 

[vamp07]

The 4.2.2 group messaging is a big deal.



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[JHBThree]

The 4.2.2 group messaging is a big deal.



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That's already built into sense.

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[NoYankees44]

That's already built into sense.

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And every other non stock Android phone on the market. Yet another thing Google took way to long to include...

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[Cattails_r_Edible]

What's it matter, I haven't kept a phone more than a year since 2009

Remember what the doormouse said, feed your head!

 

[Fairclough]

I love their products and its a real shame. However least they aren't losing money just yet!

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[adriandb]

I love their products and its a real shame. However least they aren't losing money just yet!

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So many people don't get this.

 

[Suda]

I love their products and its a real shame. However least they aren't losing money just yet!

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Not that we know of. But it's clear they spent more than they made.

 

[uh60james]

Not that we know of. But it's clear they spent more than they made.

How's so? They had a net profit of 2.85 million US dollars. A net profit is profit after costs, an operating profit is the profit before costs.

 

[JHBThree]

Not that we know of. But it's clear they spent more than they made.

No it isn't. As a matter of fact, it is 100% crystal clear that they did not. HTC has not reported a single loss yet.

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